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Female Proxy-Violence + Attempt To Use The Pussy Pass: Woman who gets her son collectively beaten by herself and her church claims she was "helpless" to stop it

YetAnotherCommenter

October 16, 2015
89 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34542619
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Title Female Proxy-Violence + Attempt To Use The Pussy Pass: Woman who gets her son collectively beaten by herself and her church claims she was "helpless" to stop it
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YetAnotherCommenter

Upvotes 89
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Date October 16, 2015 8:41 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3oyu4e/female_proxyviolence_attempt_to_use_the_pussy/
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[–]YetAnotherCommenter[S] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This article raises issues of how women can use proxy violence, as well as the "pussy pass." These both contributed to how a boy got abused and how she's trying to pass herself off as a victim. This is relevant to MHRM issues.

This is also one for the anti-religious MHRAs (including myself) because theologically-conservative Christianity is clearly part of the issue in this case.

[–]booszhius 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What they did was not based anywhere in actual Christian doctrine.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you please define "actual Christian doctrine" to me? Because going from an empirical, academic perspective, there are several kinds of religious faith which can fairly be called 'Christianity' which have embraced such actions.

You're absolutely entitled to your idea of what "actual" Christianity is. But unfortunately the history of Christianity is more-or-less defined by disagreements over what doctrine is the "actual Christian" doctrine.

What they did was certainly consistent with their understanding of their religion, which is centered on Yeshua of Nazareth. Therefore, it is legitimately described as a type of Christianity. The issue of what type of Christianity is "correct" is frankly irrelevant and, as Nietzsche pointed out, basically unprovable ("there was only ever one true Christian and he died on the Cross," as he put it).

So yeah, you can say this boy's victimization is evil according to your understanding of Christianity, and you'd be right. And this boy's victimization certainly doesn't invalidate your kind of Christianity. But that doesn't mean they are not Christian nor does it mean that your kind of Christianity becomes the gold standard.

After all, the kind/s of Christianity with institutional power are not necessarily averse to child-beating.

[–]booszhius 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, Christian, by definition means "like Christ." Christianity is the continuous improvement of oneself through faith to be more like Christ.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That is what Christ expects of His followers.

These people incorrectly call themselves Christians, and gather in a place they call a church, but it only makes them a congregation of fools.

[–]YetAnotherCommenter[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is what Christ expects of His followers.

It is absolutely within your right to consider your understanding of Christianity the correct one, but that isn't the point. We need to have a neutral viewpoint for defining "Christian" in the context of religious studies - the theologians can squabble over which kind of Christianity is the correct one, but for those who are looking at religion as a sociological phenomenon the definition of "Christian" needs to be able to include an extremely wide variance of beliefs.

My definition is as follows: a faith group can be described as "Christian" if their teachings center around Yeshua of Nazareth. This includes Mormons, Calvinists, Unitarians, Roman Catholics etc. but excludes faiths that acknowledge Yeshua of Nazareth without centering upon Yeshua of Nazareth.

Ergo, yes, this was a Christian faith group. They may be practicing the wrong kind of Christianity (by the standards of most other Christians), and of course their kind of Christianity doesn't represent all Christians. But it is not wrong to describe them as "Christian."

[–]ontheskippy -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think Christ has anything to do with Christianity. If he still did then actual Christians would be calling for a new wine skin for the new wine, no?

[–]Meistermalkav 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

as I said it before... book her for attempted manslaughter, and only lessen it if she agrees to take part in a church of satan sponsored therapy session.

[–]DillipFayKick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would like to know more about this hypnotic power men seem to have over these women. Why does the legal system always go looking for a woman perpetrator to really be a victim of some awful, awful man? Behind every great man is a woman and behind every terrible woman there's a man I guess.

[–]cajunrevenge -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hope they get the death penalty.

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