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Starkly lower rate of sexual assault in massive University of Kentucky student survey of 24,000

wrez

September 2, 2015
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/r/MensRights
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Title Starkly lower rate of sexual assault in massive University of Kentucky student survey of 24,000
Author

wrez

Upvotes 41
Comments 19
Date September 2, 2015 2:59 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]SRSLovesGawker 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If you dig into the stats, you'll see that only a portion of those were involved with the university in any way (women who happen to be going to UK, but not assaulted by a UK staff member or student). The number the executive summary says is UK related is around 3%, although it's buried on a later page.

Still, that's 1 in 33. Still not awesome, but a far FAR cry from 1 in 5, and not the sort of number that might spur third parties to support the elimination of due process and presumption of innocence of those accused like 1-in-5 might.

Edit: Another interesting stat - of the people who didn't report their assault officially, 15% said they didn't because "they wouldn't be believed"... not insignificant and could stand improvement, but not exactly the crushing weight of disbelief portrayed either.

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[–]CountVonVague 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

holy shit wow i've never heard it said like that, if it was actually less common but taken quite seriously when it does then it'd make more sense to report it!

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[–]CountVonVague 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It almost seems like a subconscious drive to constantly identify with the most victimized and hurt group on can

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[–]CountVonVague 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

oh fucking god can "intersectionality" just be re-understood as holistically regarding the human experience rather than "multitudes of intersphincturing elements" as if everyone is Naturally divided up on sub-sub-categories based on X, Y, Z, and Q?

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are learning that when they say campus victimizations are ubiquitous (“micro-aggressions,” often not discernible to the untutored eye, are everywhere), and that when they make victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate.

[–]xNOM -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

1 in 20 is still really high

It's not really high. It includes "attempted sexual assault" as well.

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[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

5% chance of WHAT, exactly? Read the actual survey results. This includes attempted sexual assault.

http://issuu.com/universityofkentucky/docs/cats_brochure-final

This as yet unpublished and un-peer reviewed "research" was conducted by the UK Center for Research on Violence Against Women. They are playing the standard game of "include a range of behaviors ranging from violent rape to whatever" to get whatever number they want. The exact behavior is never broken down into subcategories. In the end, it is a meaningless number meant only to play politics with. The fact that they chose to come up with with a number smaller than the now laughable "1 in 5," does not make it a valid measure of criminal behavior.

[–]iainmf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It the old "unwanted sexual experience"/"sexual assault" switcheroo.

Students where asked about unwanted sexual experiences, not sexual assaults. Given that, of the experiences reported to be associated with the university, 45.5% wanted to forget it happened, and 41.7% felt is was a private matter, I'm going to say that a large proportion of these experiences were people making stupid choices and regretting it.

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a dishonest way to word it and I don't know why it's done that way except to inflate numbers. I personally have had unwanted sexual experiences that I've consented to, and no I didn't go to the police because by virtue of consenting, my partner, no matter how undesired, did nothing wrong.

That said, I am sure a great many of these "unwanted sexual experiences" were in fact sexual assaults, but without proper data collection it makes it hard to know how many.

[–]augustfell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

obviously this is proof that college women have internalized patriarchy and rape culture...

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there some sort of maximum IQ restriction to become a "journalist?"

The university itself seems reluctant to highlight the finding that Inside Higher Ed featured prominently: only 5 percent of students reported having been sexually assaulted in the past year.

If you read the actual study summary, you see right away that this 5% number included ATTEMPTED sexual assault as well.

http://issuu.com/universityofkentucky/docs/cats_brochure-final

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, so 1 in 20 is still pretty high.

I think maybe a consent class at the beginning of the year for everyone just to tell all the students what the currently used definition of consent is, and to make sure you get it verbally if need be, and by text to prove it, just in case.

seriously, they should make sure guys get consent for the guys well being. and they should also teach girls to verbalise their no's (a tactic that reduced sexual assaults by 50%, meaning sexual assaults were girls who didn't know how to say no)

This way, guys are less likely to unknowingly sexually assault someone, good for the victim and the guy. Win win.

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This seems like a misguided attempt to navigate a hysteria and series of bad policies that need not exist in the first place. I get what you're saying, but it only serves to reenforce an already absurd state of affairs.

and they should also teach girls to verbalise their no's (a tactic that reduced sexual assaults by 50%, meaning sexual assaults were girls who didn't know how to say no)

Something that already happens in high school. In reality I am sure it helps a great deal, but as far as campus sexual assault policies are concerned, in this climate, it doesn't help men much.

This way, guys are less likely to unknowingly sexually assault someone, good for the victim and the guy. Win win.

In a reasonable world, you shouldn't be able to commit a crime that you know exists, without knowing you're committing a crime, with few exceptions. This is the problem with the whole thing. The only reasonable standard of consent is the one currently written into the law in most jurisdictions. "No means no" consent. The burden of withdrawing consent cannot be placed onto the party that is consenting, it can only be placed on the party withdrawing consent. Yes means yes does the opposite and switches the burden to the consenting party to know whether the other party is withdrawing or denying consent without being told. It leads to too many situations where one party has to have telepathic abilities in order to satisfy the consent standard.

There will always be grey areas, but even then the existing standard does a pretty great job of navigating them fairly and reasonably.

[–]SlashSero 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets not go down this road of supporting pseudo-science as arguments. A survey is hardly a credible source of evidence, it's an opinion piece at most.

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