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If You Think That All Male (and Female) United States Citizens Should Have the Right to Vote Sign This

Spoonwood

May 15, 2015
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http://www.protectyourvotingrights.com/
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Title If You Think That All Male (and Female) United States Citizens Should Have the Right to Vote Sign This
Author

Spoonwood

Upvotes 4
Comments 12
Date May 15, 2015 5:26 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/362xdi/if_you_think_that_all_male_and_female_united/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/if-you-think-that-all-male-and-female-united.980185
https://theredarchive.com/post/980185
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The amendment is an excellent idea, and advances the cause of men's rights. Prisoners are overwhelmingly male. Approximately 2 million american men are presently incarcerated, the majority of whom cannot vote. Many states restrict felons from voting long after they have served their sentences. This disproportionately disenfranchises men, and, in particular, men of color. The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world, vastly higher than our counterparts in the developed world. While some of our prisoners and convicted felons have committed terrible crimes of violence, and perhaps deserve little sympathy, most have not. Most of those who have had their voting rights stripped away have committed victimless, or property, crimes - many of which would be treated as misdemeanors, or not as crimes at all, in other developed nations. The rights of these people to participate in our system of governance should be restored.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How about no?

The idea of everyone having the right to vote is, frankly, quite terrifying. You need look no further than our current system to begin to comprehend how bad an idea it actually is. If you need further data, look at all the idiots out there that keep news outlets like foxnews in business. Those are voters.

I'm quite the fan of limiting voting rights, but not based on any meaningless metric like gender or skin color. No, in my world you would earn your right to vote based on public service or academic accomplishments.

Not perfect, granted, but it'd be lightyears better than the mess we have now.

[–]Spoonwood[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

In many states, men falsely convicted of felonies such as rape or domestic violence lose their right to vote.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah, is that what this thread is really supposed to be about?

[–]Spoonwood[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You said this before:

"There is no assumption; I'm not suggesting ALL women would exploit their legal advantage. Indeed, I'm not saying anything about women at all beyond the fact that they are legally advantaged over men.

It's that advantage which concerns me. The risk. No one thinking rational would accept that risk."

The advantage that women have over men gets magnified, because in addition to women making up more of the population, women get even more voting power proportional to their sex than men, because of the larger number of men which get denied voting rights because of felony voting laws. And often enough discrimination in punishment is the cause to some extent, because in some states felons can have their voting rights restored, but only after they've served their full sentence (which is on average longer than a woman's sentence).

The bill as stated thus will effectively lessen the legal advantage that women have in the U. S. over time, since if men have more voting power as a group, they will tend to elect leaders who will make laws more equal towards men. If it has something about photo ID laws in the future, fine, don't sign.

But it doesn't have anything about photo ID laws in the present and it would do something to equalize the power between the sexes with respect to the law. So, will you sign?

[–]SporkTornado -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Making photo ID a requirement to vote make sense. It cuts down on voter fraud.

[–]Rickyjesus 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Voter fraud is not an issue in the U.S. Do not let the government mandate id's over a made up issue.

[–]SporkTornado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a point, it's not the first time the government tried to deliberately obfusicate and issue like this.

[–]Spoonwood[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The proposed constitutional amendment doesn't say anything about photo ID laws. I believe that's just a way that this site tries to use to persuade people to sign it.

In many states, men falsely convicted of felonies such as rape or domestic violence lose their right to vote.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no evidence of widespread voter-impersonation fraud. In fact, there is little evidence of ANY voter-impersonation fraud. A 5-year review in Wisconson failed to turn up a single case. Maybe there's an isolated incident every now and again, but in a country of 300 million people, it's a non-issue.

[–]SporkTornado 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did not know that.

[–]1337Gandalf 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my state of 10 million, there were only two reported cases of voter fraud in the 2008 election.

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