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The Ultimate Dating Guide For Men. It's Definitely Worth A Read.

January 23, 2023
Crosspost "Not only does the D.E.N.N.I.S. system work, it should be the ultimate blueprint for any man seeking to date women casually." from /r/PurplePillDebate:

So the "Dennis system" is an old skit from the sitcom It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. Its point was to mock Pickup Artist strategies, and it stands for: Demonstrate value, Engage physically, Nurture dependence, Neglect emotionally, Inspire hope, and Seperate entirely. While the system was meant to be a joke, I think it has a lot of merit, so I'll use this post to explain the system from a redpilled standpoint and defend it. I'm also going to add a phase of my own to the system.

Identify Targets

This is the phase I've chosen to add. I see so many cold approachers explain how low their rates of success are, but it doesn't have to be that way if they'd just choose women with whom they're more likely to have success. I'd like to coin a new redpill term: hypogamy factor. Hypogamy is the practice of dating down, and a hypogamy factor is a trait in women that makes them more attainable by virtue of placing them in a lower position than men. I will list some hypogamy factors to better illustrate what I'm saying.

-Shortness: This is an obvious one. I personally am 6'0, so I acknowledge most men can't use this to their advantage. But the point is, the shorter the woman is, the more attracted she'll be to you. So if you're a tall dude, you'll have a tremendously easy time with <5'0 women.

-Material wealth (or lack thereof): Another obvious one. Women who have Gucci bags, designer clothing, and spend most of their days vacationing are unattainable and unimpressionable to most men. Financially humble women are far easier to impress as an average man. The former kind of woman would scoff at a fancy dinner date, while the latter kind would be thrilled over a well-planned walk.

-Age: For older men, youth is a hypogamy factor in women as older men have traits like maturity, low-inhibition, wealth, and similar things all women find attractive. For younger men, age can be a hypogamy factor in women as lots of older gals are divorced, reaching their libido peak, and need a high-stamina man who can provide them excitement. They might not even mind teaching virgins, and they're willing to spoil you and pay the full bill on dates. Dating older women is an underrated cheat code for young men who don't mind age gaps.

-Ugliness: Fat women, ugly-faced women, and women with bad figures are easier to pickup. Not much to say here.

-Introversion: This one is a double-edged sword. While more introverted women will be more attracted to confident men, are easier to impress, and get attached more often, you need to learn how to aproach them in a way that demonstrates value without scaring them off. However, the payoff is worth it since introversion is a hypogamy factor, which means introverted women are more attainable.

-Geography: The poorer the country, the more impressionable and attainable the women are. Intranationally, women from poor states or suburbs/slums in rich states are more attainable. Internationally, the lower the GDP Per Capita, or Purchasing Power Parity of a country, the easier dating is for men. Dating in Africa is easier than dating in Asia, which is easier than dating in Latin America, which is easier than dating in Eastern Europe, which is easier than dating in the west. Bringing foreign girls back to the west is a conversation for another time, but dating in and of itself is undoubtedly easier in poor regions.

-Mental instability: Women with mental illnesses, parental abandonement, substance abuse problems, histories of trauma/violence, or other cognitive issues are easier to pick up, with the added bonus of such women being hypersexual and sometimes even doormats. The one downside is that such women are definitely unfit for LTR's.

I think you get the gist. When men hear "date down," they think I don't want to date a fatty or I don't want to date a poor woman or I don't want to date a druggie but nobody said dating down meant compromising all your standards. If you want an independent women who has a job and is attractive, use shortness as a hypogamy factor and chase short career women, or use geography as a hypogamy factor and date a doctor from the Phillipines or Colombia. You can also chase shy and reserved career women. The point is, you need to date down in some way to find a plausible, attainable, impressionable dating pool: you can't just jump in and chase every mid-20's UMC white woman on the street then be surprised about getting rejected.

Demonstrate Value

This is where the hypergamy factors come into play. A hypergamy factor is a factor in a man that makes him more attractive to women by raising his value.

-Height: I already went over this. If you're still young and willing to take risks, take the human-growth hormone to boost your height until you stop growing. If you're really willing to take risks, take limb-lengthening surgery. If both options are unavailable, buy a nice pair of lifts to give yourself at least 2 more inches (it's not unethical or deceptive, as it's no different from women using makeup to lie about their facial attractiveness level). Then as a last resort, try the common practice of heightfrauding. The one caveat is that most taller (5'8+) women can tell if you're lying about your height. With shorter women however, there's no harm in claiming you're 6'0 when you're really 5'10. I remember seeing an OLD statistic depicting 90%+ of 6'0 men being in women's dating filters, while 50-60% of 5'11 men were in women's filters, so don't underestimate the importance of a couple inches.

-Looks: An obvious one. Get plastic surgery in a country where it's cheap, or just look into male fashion and maintain a grooming routine. If you're balding, get a toupee. Seeing how willing women are to get wigs, there's no excuse for a baldie not to get a toupee (INB4 but it's embarrasing and other excuses from the LVM pity party).

-Money: Another obvious one. If you're online dating, state in your profile that your house is paid off, you own a car, you're a doctor/lawyer/engineer/professor, and you have a 6-figure income (if the aforementioned are applicable, of course). In public, make sure you have a fancy car, fancy clothes (not a full-on tux, just a business suit or something), an apple phone, or gold jewelry (fake or real, they won't notice).

Confidence: The most obvious one, but also the hardest one. It can be hard to cultivate good social skills, but perfect game can make up for a deficiency in anything else. But don't be over-reliant on game, you still need to demonstrate value visually through wealth, looks, and height.

Now we've finished phase 2. As we all know, women are hypergamous, which means they exclusively date up. Now that you've identified women who are more attainable/impressionable, and mastered demonstrating value, you've maximized your success rate per approach.

Engage Physically In General

This is another important phase. As much as female redditors will virtue signal about asking men out, women will almost never take things further. So many men screw up at this part. You can't waste too much time chatting women up online, and you can't stretch a cold approach too long. For online dating, use the 3-day rule: if you haven't planned a date after 3 days of chatting, the conversation is going nowhere. In real life, you need to get her number after a couple minutes of chatter (if she refuses the first time, move on). Now, lots of reddit women have been saying recently that men should give women their numbers instead because asking puts more pressure on women or whatever. Disregard this advice. As I said: women don't initiate, and giving them your number puts the burden on the woman to initiate. When she gives you her number, she can't ignore you.

As for engaging physically, you need to utilize an old PUA tactic called breaking the touch barrier. Initiate frequent hand-holding, kiss her on the cheek by the end of the first date, and make every excuse you can to hug, wrap your arms around her, touch your legs, bunch your bodies up, and slowly lower her guard when it comes to physical intimacy. If she rejects your mild physical advances bluntly, you're dating a bad bitch who's built a pretty strong barrier, and things won't go anywhere. If she rejects your physical advances with a small push, or a shy remark, then comply. However, you need to respond by cultivating a mood of disappointment. If you act bitter about the rejection, she'll lose attraction. On the other hand, if you act disappointed, and succeed in making her feel that disappointment, she'll feel like she did something wrong and be more likely to give in next time. For sex, 3 dates is the minimum, 5 dates is the maximum.

Nurture Dependence

This is where frame comes in. Here's a harsh truth of dating you need to internalize: straight relationships are better off when the woman is more in love with the man than the man is attracted to the woman. You have to master dread game: the art of instilling competition anxiety in a partner. Now that you've secured the girl, more women will flirt with you on account of pre-selection. You also need to keep working out, and spend lots of time (apart from your girl) at social events. When another girl flirts with you in public, play along with her (unless she asks you out) and pretend to be oblivious about the fact the she's romantically interested in you so your girlfriend doesn't leave you for cheating emotionally. The point is: it's not enough for a woman to love you, a woman needs to fear losing you. If a woman expresses her deepest insecurites to you, that's perfect: it goes to show how willing she is to leave herself in your hands. Just remember to be her emotional confidant and not play the more emascualting role of a therapist/emotional tampon.

Neglect Emotionally

Become emotionally distant, or view your relationship through an avoidant attachement lens. Gradually buy her less gifts, take her out on less effortful dates, and enagage with her less emotionally and more physically as time goes on. It's basic supply/demand economics. Now that you've demonstrated value, and nurtured dependence, your attention is a high quality good. By decreasing the supply of your attention, it's more valuable to her, and you have more leverage.

Inspire Hope

Don't go overboard in neglect. Familiarize yourself with the practice of breadcrumbing. Make false promises that you'll change and put in more effort for her and give her more romance. If you sense that you can't keep using her as an easy lay for long, plan a really good date or plan a good weekend to trick her into thinking things could go back to the way they used to be. Some men are so successful in breadcrumbing, they've kept their "forever girlfriends" for over a decade by promising marriage [someday].

Seperate Entirely

Either you get bored of fucking her and move on to the next girl, or she breaks up over your unavailability. If she's the one who breaks up, it won't be particularly humiliating on the man's part since he got what he wanted and left with the last laugh.

Of course, you can't use the Idennis system out of order. If you see r/niceguys, there's a lot of men bitching about being rejected and using poor dread game like "You won't find another guy like me." You can't use dread game without demonstrating value and nurturing dependence, otherwise your attention is a cheap resource that women have no problem discarding. You can't initiate dates without having identified targets or demonstrated value, or you'll become another NPC average joe PUA complaining about how 0.5% of your cold approaches work. There are no shortcuts: follow the Idennis system in order.

This post wasn't meant to be an advice post per se, I wrote this to defend a joke system that's been used to discredit pickup artistry and TRP as a whole by explaining its value and the reasons men suck at utilizing it. To change my view, prove that the system doesn't work (with arguments that don't amount to "as a female redditor, you redpillers are so autistic hah hah this wouldn't work on me and my boyfriend is actually 5'0").

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Title The Ultimate Dating Guide For Men. It's Definitely Worth A Read.
Author MachiNarci
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Comments 15
Date January 23, 2023 9:03 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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[โ€“]FortniteAbobusWhitePill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the same time for most normies it's "eventually" or by "just be yourself".

[โ€“]LIGMAMALEINC 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is very good advice, certainly much better than the usual refrain of 'just take a shower and be confident bro'. Much of it mirrors my own 'discoveries' and I've implemented a lot of these ideas into my own life with success.

I think that if you're not a natural (naturally handsome that is lmao) at getting women, you will have to work alongside many of these principles whether you're aware of it or not, and I think that had you phrased it in a more agreeable way there wouldn't be so much push back. This also goes to show why most dating advice is dog shit because you can't talk about things that are actually effective or real because people just call you a meanie inkwell misogynist.

As for the idea of 'hypogamy' (good term btw), that's also why a low n-count is so important. If you can somehow get a girl that has never even so much as a kissed a guy, and be her first in everything, that will give you a lot of leverage/power in the relationship. That's also why things like confidence, style and being fit are so important.
Not because they make you more attractive to women, but because it induces a sort of 'mogging effect'/power imbalance.
If you're always unphased and she's a nervous wreck, that gives you a one up on her.
If you're dressed like the CEO of Sigma Male Inc. and she wears thrift store clothes, that gives you leverage (I'm being hyperbolic here, don't be one of those autists that wears a suit and tie to the grocery store -unless you work in an office, or something).
If every time you go to have sex with her, you reveal a six pack and she reveals her gut, you're gonna have leverage.

Anyway, good post.

[โ€“]inkwellin432 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So many triggered hores in that comment section, who are getting mad because they know that deep down, this would work. They are projecting their anger of knowing that shit would work back on to you. Notice how there is no counter argument disproving your theories, just endless bashing, bashing, and more bashing. Hoes mad indeed. ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That DENNIS system would worked on me lol.Omg, I gonna be crazy if he lef.Suicide would be way to go for women if this happened

That sub waiting to wed is perfect example.

[โ€“]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

No red pill man needs any of this if he possesses a typical sex drive in high school and college. Some of the frustrated men who waited until late twenties and older to even try do not demonstrate the levels of desire and fitness to attract women IRL and would fare better making mental and emotional connections online.

You know those men who complain about women settling for them in their thirties? They donโ€™t want to do that because they want to be treated with the same passion, lust, and desire those women supposedly showed Chad. But those men are not sexually compelling. They can try out all these โ€œtechniquesโ€ and pretend charisma, but they simply donโ€™t possess the raw sexual energy which attracts women.

[โ€“]inkwellin432 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

"Muh raw sexual energy"

You mean a sharp jawline, other good facial features head full of hair, belonging to a certain race, and being 6ft+ in height? ๐Ÿ˜‚

I love how women use euphemism so as to not seem shallow.

[โ€“]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Attractive men are preferable, sure. But whatโ€™s the difference between average or unattractive men who get laid and those who donโ€™t?

Those who get laid possess the testosterone and the drive to seek out sex and companionship. Those who donโ€™t still possess enough masculine energy to focus on things which make them sad, but not the energy to pursue what would make them happy.

[โ€“]inkwellin432 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Attractive men are preferable, sure. But whatโ€™s the difference between average or unattractive men who get laid and those who donโ€™t?

The difference is that average and unattractive men who are getting laid are DUMPSTER DIVING with a bunch of fat svnhuman landwhales well below their league and that virgin average and below average looking men, refuse to play such a rigged game ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚.

Average looking fit, muscular gymmaxed men are dlcking down Belindas who have more chins than a China town ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚. Average, fit, muscular men are not getting with their average fit muscular beckies looksmatches, because those women are fucking CHADS ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ.

Those who get laid possess the testosterone and the drive to seek out sex and companionship. Those who donโ€™t still possess enough masculine energy to focus on things which make them sad, but not the energy to pursue what would make them happy.

I do have "muh testosterone" and "Muh drive" to pursue fit average to below average looking women, but when I see that I can't get them cause they are fucking chads, I rather not stick my little peenie weenie inside of a beached whale who can't seem to put down the twinkies. That's not fair to me, nor the hardwork I put into my physical appearance.

[โ€“]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

So youโ€™re saying you donโ€™t want to pursue women you donโ€™t find attractive.

Neither do they.

[โ€“]inkwellin432 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's what I thought. Crawl back into your little hole with your 1 sentence reply. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

How about a question then? Why should women who arenโ€™t attracted to you date you?

[โ€“]inkwellin432 -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Cause if they dont I'll beat the fuck outta them. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

Edit: jk tho. ๐Ÿ˜‚

[โ€“]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link


[โ€“]inkwellin432 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


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