Is this true?

DracheGraethe · 2019-07-01T13:43:53+00:00

Uh... this in no way supports that weird pair bonding argument. It's just straight up correlations.
Earlier experience having sex is also associated with: Lower income growing up, less stable environment growing up, lower education, lower level of parental involvement, higher risk tolerance, increased likelihood of history of emotional, physical, and sexual abuse, lower access to healthcare, etc. OF COURSE kids who grow up in correspondingly problematic households and in social groups where they're not seeing more stable, healthy, and successful relationships with diligent and involved parents. This study just showed correlations exist. They aren't true in every case, and they aren't always going to show cause and effect in the direction you think they do... but this in no meaningful way has anything to do with "pair bonding" or whatnot.

The concept of the n count and pair bonding in the red pill world badly misunderstands correlation too. And ALSO implies that women aren't actually fully realized, cognizant people whose behavior is within their own control. It literally claims that more the partners women have, the less likely they are to stay with and "bond" with a new single partner... but why the fuck would that be? Evolutionarily that makes no fucking sense. And it literally seems to claim that women aren't able to make their own decisions, they're responding to some magical number their body and brain has hidden away inside of their heads or hormones that changes their neurological reactions to stimulus simply because they've had more or fewer previous partners... that's literally dumb as hell.

Think of the real correlation here: kids who wait longer for sex tend, as a collective group (not necessarily at the individual level) to come from better growing environments, with more stability, more money, more education, more knowledge, and have higher likelihood to have lower risk tolerance thresholds. So, then, you've got the correlation the study showed. Later sex? Probably less likely to get STDs because you're educated about the dangers, more likely to avoid unprotected sex in general because of risk aversion, might be more likely to actually spend money on condoms or birth control even if you DO have multiple partners, etc. Why less likely to get divorced? Well divorce is highly correlated with economic status, family disability, and education. So your late-sex having person who is likely better off financially, more educated, and who will also this likely have fewer total partners, they're likely to be correlated with lower divorce rates... not because the women are "pair bonding" more, but because that's literally just basic statistics about the underlying issues that lead to divorce in many cases to begin with. Ok?

Also, for future reference, look for MECHANISMS to understand the idiocy of the red pill stuff. What MECHANISM, socially or neurologically, would explain that pair bonding/n-score bullshit? How on earth would that evolve into human behavior? Nearly all behaviour can be explained through evolution and/or psychology when you look. But the pair bonding doesn't even make sense in other primates, who have less independent agency to act differently than a base impulse, so why would it EVER apply to humans?

Criticalthinking346 · 2019-07-01T13:24:41+00:00

A lot is wrong with this...

It’s dated from 2003 and is talking about a study from 1995, in graduate school we are taught to never only use one source and especially one that is 25 years old.
It flat out states men weren’t included, so in fact is pinning all this on only half the equation.
The rest is just common sense, you have sex outside marriage you’ve had more sex. More sex equals more risk and less moral obligation to continue to stay in a horrible relationship.
Lastly I have had multiple partners before my marriage, but have been in a faithful loving relationship for the last 15. Yes this is just my experience but it’s not as rare as you’d think.

I_like_the_word_MUFF · 2019-07-01T10:47:38+00:00

So what's the issue?

Early sex women:

More likely to get STDs. Yeah. So?

More likely to get pregnant? Yea, so? There's also a man involved with that equation. For every single mother there's a single father, either in the equation or completely outside of it. Why is that the woman's fault?

More likely to get divorced? Yea. So? In that equation is also a guy who now is also divorced. Why is that the woman's fault?

Poverty? So? Seems like an economic problem not a gender problem. If it's so common for single parents to end up in poverty, you'd think we'd do something socially for it. As I look around nobody seems to have a problem with it... I don't see any mass movement to solve that problem. Must not be a problem after all.

msphit · 2019-07-01T17:04:51+00:00

The pair bonding theory for women has always puzzled me. I’ve had many partners but have been able to solely bond to my husband, like, I will go out of my way not to even look at another attractive man. My husband on the other hand regularly denied me intimacy because, and I quote, he was used to more variety in partners. There’s my anecdote, take it for what you will.

bunker_man · 2019-07-02T02:12:13+00:00

Is it even an interesting fact? Basically everyone knows that having sex at age 10 isn't an indication of your life going good directions, and neither is being unscrupulous. Both of which can hint that you are being abused. No one who isn't trying to be overly pc is going to tell you that nothing bad can come from sex. What they are saying is that having a lot of sex doesn't inherently lead your life to a bad outcome. None of these things imply that someone should be panicking about dating someone who has had regular amounts of sex, or assuming it means they can't stay together.

Also the redpill are huge dicks, since they believe this, but their answer to it is to try to cause additional problems for personal benefit. There's a reason that no one is going to look highly on that.

BigBooty-AsianLady · 2019-07-02T03:15:30+00:00

It's from The Heritage Foundation. They have a hardcore right wing agenda and would be happy if women just stayed home, cooked, and popped out babies.

Title	Is this true?
Author	yumyumonhead
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Comments	6
Date	July 1, 2019 8:46 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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