Evolutionary research bias | LeftWingMaleAdvocates

It struck me that the historical narrative related to rape is always focused on the males violating females - but looking at biology, it seems like whatever forces influenced the design of the male body has favoured a neurological response which makes it possible to rape a male and be fertilised, even when the male is raped.

Logically, it seems like males are possible to rape for evolutionary reasons, as domination and aggression is common among mammals (as the male glans-ridge has recently been hypothesised to have evolved to extricate "competing" seminal emissions already inside). Putting it under the control of the being would be far more prudent - but the body isn't there for the person inhabiting it, or we would be able to control everything from when we sleep to how we react to e.g. attacks, fear, coldness etc.

It's quite obviously a common recurrence even in our times, but I have yet to see any paleoanthropological research focus on female violations.

Does anyone know if any such research has been made, seriously entertained, or even simply suggested?

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It’s on the topic of sexual assault of men and boys. I’ve read a fair bit about historical accounts of male on male sexual crimes. And.... that’s it. Everything I can find on females sexually assaulting males is kind of nonexistent before the 1950s. You wouldn’t be here asking if you hadn’t researched right? Have you found anything that might constitute rape by a woman before the 1950s anywhere in recorded history? If you find anything let me know, I’m interested too.

One theory I have, is that certain people when given power will abuse their power every the time, regardless of what society thinks.

But if you give a whole class of people power, they will almost all regularly violate the rights of others to some level.

History paints a pretty bad picture of the male gender, even when not everyone man raped/abused/oppressed other men, women, children. To me, that points to a power disparity.

Power disparities exist between classes, races, genders, ages, & etc.

Stay with me, OK.

Now that women are getting more social power and authority, I feel that they may begin to rape/abuse others at the same rate as men have historically. Just how we are seeing domestic violence static’s reach equality between the genders.

Have you ever read William Blake’s “The Mental Traveller”? I think it’s the most accurate depiction of gender relations out there and it’s pretty fucking insightful.

If you read it you might think it’s insane. But the way I interpret it is—you are either the abuser or the victim in a relationship. Those two words carry huge meaning in terms of stereotypes/implications for behavior/a person’s “fate.” The only way to escape this is to be neither a victim nor an abuser. Which is honestly not easily done.

But the closest example I can think of of this being done is when a person takes control of their victim hood and decides not to engage in the behavior of an abuser/or of a victim. Like Jim Clemente when he went from victim to lawyer to FBI agent who ultimately bagged the serial predator who abused him and his brothers.

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Have you found anything that might constitute rape by a woman before the 1950s anywhere in recorded history? If you find anything let me know, I’m interested too.

Lot's daughters in the bible. Both raped him after plying him with alcohol until he was unconscious, to have a baby. It's more that it wasn't recognized as a sexual crime, than it not happening.

History paints a pretty bad picture of the male gender, even when not everyone man raped/abused/oppressed other men, women, children. To me, that points to a power disparity.

Power disparities exist between classes, races, genders, ages, & etc.

Stay with me, OK.

Now that women are getting more social power and authority, I feel that they may begin to rape/abuse others at the same rate as men have historically. Just how we are seeing domestic violence static’s reach equality between the genders.

Women have always had social power and 'soft' power. And you know most men aren't CEOs, in high executive positions, or elected in any function...so its false to say men have power (not more than women at all), when its a tiny subset of men who have it...and they can't use their power for their gender (they likely wouldn't even think to do so).

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That is a great example & one I hadn’t thought of, as I am not familiar with Old Testament. So I looked it up. Lot leaves with his family, wife looks back turns to pillar of salt, he takes his girls to Zoar. Then he decides to go to a cave with them. Then they think the world is over and liquor him up two nights in a row so each one can have sex with him. Then they both conveniently get pregnant on the first try with sons. Because how many times can you rape a drunk man before he suspects something is going on? Probably only once or twice. They all continue to live in the caves while the daughters give their sons names pointing to their incestuous union.

And all of that was painted as a positive. And there is even some victim blaming going on saying that Lot desired his daughters anyway, brought them to the cave, told them the fucking world was ending, groomed them into thinking the human race was in danger and then drank the wine knowing/hoping they would have sex with him. Source The Torah.com

Some people even consider Lot to be complicit and culpable in these acts of incest by virtue of the fact that more than 3 servings of alcohol will raise blood pressure precipitously and inhibit parasympathetic responses, making it physiologically impossible to become erect. That begs the question, just how drunk/unconscious was he? Could there have been other substances used besides alcohol? Either way, the Old Testament is fucked... and Lot’s daughters definitely intended and then acted to rape him, thinking he wouldn’t know any different. And that’s 100% rape.

Are there any more examples you can give me (because I want to compile a list)?

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Honestly I think it's a multiple punishment of sorts, not only are you not allowed to be vulnerable, but you're when exploited not only stripped of compassion but gain scorn because of supposed weakness - as if boys are not to be extended that central quality of life, emotion and vulnerability. I think the problem is expecting the individual to handle everything and to see social norms and stigma as something unchangeable, when it's not.

I do recall reading something about a Chinese Empress who forced various people to perform cunnilingus, but that's about it. Even human history in humanity's present form is "only" some ten thousand years old or so. I was thinking along the lines of evolutionary research which goes go back hundreds of millions of years, but I think no one has considered the role of males as a victim at all, which is a disgrace. It shapes the discourse.

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Title	Evolutionary research bias
Author	acutepresence
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Date	April 1, 2020 12:05 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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