a genuine question about Soy

sir_wankalot_here · 2018-05-08T08:15:47+00:00

Soy according to some research contains estrogen like compounds. On the other hand so does cow's milk. Whether or not these estrogen compounds can be absorbed via your digestive system is debatable. Horomone like compounds usually need to be injected to be effective.

Its mainly what /u/gantz_au said, its a fun way to mock soybois.

gantz_au · 2018-05-08T08:07:41+00:00

You mean about the term "soy boy"? It's a descriptor for effeminate males, usually male feminists who are against the idea of masculinity in all its forms. The "soy" part comes from the whole "metrosexual" aspect of their shedding of their own masculinity, drinking soy latte's and shaving their legs, etc.

Don't worry, you can still enjoy soy sauce in your stir fry and all that.

Membrudo · 2018-05-08T09:44:46+00:00

Yes soy carries phytoestrogen which in high doses can effeminate men. However unlike what the right wing hard heads lead us to believe, it is far from being the only cause of modern men effemination. Industrialized meat/dairy can also contain high quantities of this hormone. Also the soil has been impoverished of trace minerals. And above all also the society which is cucking men is to be blamed.

RedditStudent93 · 2018-05-08T11:03:50+00:00

It is actually quiet interesting since it can go either way. Phytoestrogens found in soy are actually weaker estrogens. Since consuming phytoestrogens replaces the spot taken by normal estrogens, it can actually express less of this hormone. Hence why it is used to treat stage 1 breast cancer first, before using steroids to treat stage 2. But too much of it will just increase your overall estrogen levels, and make this weaker estrogen redundant. The idea that it would make you feminine is quiet plausible in extreme amounts. But average consumption is fine.

KarunaWolf · 2018-05-08T17:11:36+00:00

Studies involving soy fall into two categories:

The good:

Estrogen is a hormone that has a receptor. When it binds to a receptor, it causes a chemical cascade that leads to certain genes being up or down regulated. Those genes code for RNAs which code for proteins that either “masculinize” or “feminize” the body. In the case of estrogen, the proteins feminize.

Phytoestrogens compete with the hormone estrogens for these receptors. But when they bind to these receptors, they do not initiate the same chemical cascade as estrogen. The chemical cascade they do initiate results in less estrogenic proteins, or proteins derived from an estrogen cascade. ———- Sources:

Isoflavone (soy) glycoside binds weakly to both estrogen receptors and estrogen receptor-dependent transcriptional expression is poor. Poor transcription expression from estrogen receptor mediated cascade = less feminization.

Equol (another Phytoestrogen derived from soy) induces transcription most strongly with hER alpha and hER beta (estrogen receptors). The concentration required for maximal gene expression is much higher than expected from the binding affinities of the compounds, and the maximal activity induced by these compounds is about half the activity of 17 beta-estradiol which is a form of estrogen the body produces. So Equol, this Phytoestrogen has (at max) half of the estrogenic activity of normal estrogen (beta-estradiol), yet still has the same binding rate. At minimum, it’s probably 1/4th of the activity). So yes they do compete for binding. Another Phytoestrogen competes for the binding spot but has NO estrogenic activity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11305594/

“Phytoestrogens are plant compounds with a similar molecular shape and structure to endogenous estrogen molecules, and which can bind competitively to estrogen receptors, preventing the binding of more potent estrogen and estrogen metabolites (see Part IV).24 By binding to estrogen receptors in the premenopausal woman, phytoestrogens “turn down” estrogen production through negative feedback at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary gland…when endogenous estrogen levels are high, phytoestrogens may have an antiestrogenic activity by preventing estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor through competitive inhibition.25” https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/phytoestrogens permalinkembedsaveparentedit

So a little soy won’t kill you. In fact, a little of it may compete with estrogen for binding which is good. Because high estrogen leads to breast cancer, women (and men lol) who eat some soy actually get less breast cancer (yes men can get breast cancer, but it is rare).

The Bad:

Men who consider large amounts of soy (far more than what is find in diet- we are talking 600+ calories of pure soy every day), start seeing testosterone drop and experiencing problems. This is likely because with high enough phytoestrogens and endogenous estrogen in your body, all your estrogen receptors are saturated (bound to). You don’t want all your estrogen receptors to be saturated with estrogen or even Phytoestrogen, even if the latter has only zero to half of the max estrogenic activity of normal estrogen.

KarunaWolf · 2018-05-08T13:28:29+00:00

Paging /u/KarunaWolf

BLUEUPTON · 2018-05-08T19:09:13+00:00

It'll only take effect in large doses

RealBiggly · 2018-05-08T13:30:20+00:00

VEGAN CUNTS GO FUCK YOURSELVES. For normal people, all you need to know is this - here in Asia monks have long eaten unfermented soy, precisely BECAUSE it lowers libido, which makes it easier for them to cope with celibacy.

So any of the current bullshit bro-science attempts to convince you it aint so bad, and cow milk is baaaad, is VEGAN BULLSHIT.

Carry on?

Title	a genuine question about Soy
Author	IntelligentRope
Upvotes	9
Comments	27
Date	May 8, 2018 8:02 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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