I am in a 12 step program and am having massive dental issues (42 here). Needless to say, I have really been into self and self-pity. Decided to "get out of myself", as they say, by talking to another gent in the program, who is 47 and divorced. Two 13 year old twins. I guess he pays $1200 in child support. And doesn't make a lot of money. Dude is going to be homeless soon and is talking about doing van life.

Even when I am not focused on MGTOW, stories like this pop up. MGTOW will just pop right in your face. There are tons of guys in A.A. who are like this or have divorce horror stories. What a world.