Any MGTOW's do boxing? Looking into getting started as a hobby.

transentence · 2021-07-06T14:08:34+00:00

Pursued combat sports when I was younger.

Older now, mid-30s, and there really aren't any situations any more where I'd justify fighting.

Straight up, not worth it. Yes, I can crack someone's jaw in half with my bare fists... but I still have to use my hands for work, and some bruised/broken knuckles are more inconvenient to me and my goals in life, than fighting some drunken idiot at a bar who thought I looked at him weird. Plus, when the cops come (and they always come), we're all getting arrested. I don't feel like spending a night or two at the county lock up, I don't feel like paying thousands for an attorney, I don't feel like putting my future in the hands of a random judge/jury.

Have a friend who's served 7 years out of a 10 year sentence so far, for manslaughter. Landed one punch in self-defense, but it knocked the guy out, and he split his skull open on something when he hit the ground. Friend was working on his Master's degree in engineering, had a great future ahead of him, but it all got thrown away because of throwing one punch when he could've walked away.

From my own experiences, I've never once experienced a "clean" street fight. It's romanticized in movies, where two guys get a few punches in, then their buddies separate them. In reality, usually ends up with two groups of people brawling, and chances are damn near guaranteed that someone has a weapon. I've personally been shot at multiple times, stabbed twice and slashed up once, pistol whipped, etc. all over things that should've been quick little scuffles / stepping in to help a friend in a scuffle.

You don't fuck with someone with a weapon. I've got plenty of training on how to handle a combatant with a knife.... and I'm not fucking dealing with that. I'm running. Even if I have a weapon myself, I'm running. I don't care if it's not "macho" or "badass". Anyone else who knows their shit about martial arts will say the same thing. The risk/reward benefit is not there, for normal every day civilian life.

My ways of defending myself now:

Avoiding situations where I would reasonably expect conflict.
Avoiding people whom I know would create and/or engage in conflict.
Never letting my guard down. Constant monitoring of my environment.
Verbal de-escalation techniques.
Walking the fuck away.
Running the fuck away.
Smith & Wesson Model 60 gets drawn if running didn't work.
Chamber of .357 slugs applied directly to center mass, if drawing wasn't enough of a deterrent.

I'm not fucking fighting.

Fighting basically reaches it's peak in high school. Get beyond that, into the real adult world... then you're dealing with one of two types of people:

Betas that don't have any true forms of masculinity, and try act tough because that's what they've seen "tough guys" on TV do. Like the example you gave of a "white knight stepping to you" -- honestly, 9 times out of 10, they will cower back down if you just say "Yeah, sure, sounds fun. Meet you outside in a minute." and start handing your jacket to a friend as if you're ready to fight. They just wanted to look tough for a second, that's all. For the 1 time out of 10 that they are drunk or stupid enough to fight, you aren't going to need any kind of actual training to win that fight. Just a base level of fitness plus 15-minutes of youtube instructional videos, and you'll be able to walk away with your ego intact.
Absolute shitbags that may or may not know how to fight, but are definitely not going to lose the fight. If you get a few clean shots in, they're pulling out brass knuckles or a blade. Or their boys are going to knock you to the ground and hold you there, while their friend pulverizes your face into ground meat. Again, you aren't going to need any kind of actual training, because even George St. Pierre himself would end up in the hospital in that situation.

All that being said...... training is fun as hell, and probably the number one thing a man can do to boost his own confidence. You can see on peoples faces, clear as day, whether or not they're terrified of getting punched in the face. You carry yourself differently when that's not a concern.

But if you're going to get into boxing / martial arts / combat sports / combat training -- do it for the sport. If you're going to train at a boxing gym, do it so that one day you can be in an amateur competition, not so that you can win a bar fight. Most reputable gyms and dojos won't even accept you as a client if you're talking about kicking some hypothetical ass on the street (though Sambo and Krav Maga might let it slide).

If you want to throw money at your own skill development, you're 100x better off spending that money getting trained by experts, as opposed to buying equipment. If you go out today and buy yourself a heavy bag, you're going to slap it around for a month, then it's going to collect dust in your basement.

Get a list together of the best training gyms in your area. Virtually all of them should offer a free trial class or two. Check them all out, see which one vibes with you the most, and sign up with them. They'll let you know what you need for personal training equipment (gi, gloves, wraps, whatever), and should have a fully stocked open gym for you to use their professional equipment (heavy bags, speed bags, etc.).

silly_birb · 2021-07-06T13:33:49+00:00

I considered doing box but i prefer doing body building.

Just be so big that they won't try to fight you.

Ozznik · 2021-07-06T13:16:37+00:00

Yes I do multiple combat sports. You can send me a chat if you wanna talk about it :)

wristcontrol · 2021-07-06T19:16:05+00:00

Been a fighter for 20 years. Forget the home equipment, other than getting a rope for skipping. Boxing is 70-80% conditioning, and for that you can do plenty of calisthenics, bodyweight exercises, and weight lifting if you have access to a gym.

For the rest, no youtube video, no matter how good, can teach you the fundamentals. You need a coach correcting your form, and explaining to you the subtleties of each movement or technique. That said, JT van V's youtube channel is an excellent resource for a beginner. Ignore all the fancy shit and focus on fundamentals like footwork, upper body movement, breathing, and single strikes, plus how strikes flow into each other. Once you've got those down (~2 years) you can start developing a personal style.

Also, as a side note, fighters tend to be the last people who want to throw down, because we know exactly what that involves. So hopefully, with training, your outlook will change from what you described in your post. Fighting outside of the ring is really the last thing you want to be doing, only if all else fails, and only if your life is in danger and you have no way to escape.

morphious525 · 2021-07-06T12:58:36+00:00

I am really interested in sports, but due my glasses I can't swim, or box etc

I am planning to get rid of it by operation soon in 1-2 years.

ChadicusLadicus · 2021-07-06T17:15:24+00:00

Take boxing to learn how to move in a fistfight, effectively punch, and defend against punches. But, boxing is not effective by itself for self defense. Fights last a few punches, but then end up on the ground. You need to also learn either judo or jiu jitsu. Judo will help you take the fight to the ground with a potentially fight ending technique. Jiu jitsu will help you learn holds that can win a protracted fight on the ground.

General_Fear · 2021-07-07T00:45:09+00:00

If you are serious about self defense then start with some type of grappling. MMA, Judo. Most fights might start was a few punches and ends up with 2 guys rolling around on the ground.

Start off with grappling. Then become a well rounded fighter with learning boxing.

About boxing. Street fight and fighting in the ring are two different things. For street fighting focus on defense by avoiding getting hit. Then train on developing a knock out blow. Usually in a street fight you get one chance. Maybe two to land a punch before it becomes a wrestling match. So if you got one chance, you better make it count. Focus on knocking the other guy out.

Sea_Temperature8667 · 2021-07-06T19:53:04+00:00

Get into it. Discipline is everything.

Ghostsofsea · 2021-07-06T23:30:58+00:00

Probably not worth breaking your nose and developing breathing problems

JoeSmith1907 · 2021-07-07T06:13:50+00:00

Most of what's been said here is pretty solid. A grappling art is probably your best bet for one on one fighting, but if you go to the ground against multiple opponents you could be in real trouble. Whatever art you pick, try to pick one where you are going to be going up against a resisting and countering opponent, at least after the beginning stages.

As for equipment, learn how to jump rope. IMO rotational movement exercises are better for fighting than lifting in a linear plane, so I'd work with Indian Clubs, or club bells, or sledge hammer etc. The Tapp Brothers, Steve Sonnon and Mike Zhang have some good work out routines that you can find on You Tube. But don't try to learn boxing or any other martial art from You Tube until you get some fundamentals down. It's too easy to develop bad habits that can be hard to break. If you have to go the Internet route, try Zoom classes where the instructor can correct you.

Title	Any MGTOW's do boxing? Looking into getting started as a hobby.
Author	NightOuts
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Date	July 6, 2021 12:27 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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