Civilization

VideoramaYT · 2018-12-07T16:33:04+00:00

First thing, we need to establish your worthiness to our cult. I'll introduce you to bishop Dangzagnut in time.

rasionalitas · 2018-12-07T16:36:23+00:00

No need to worry, that will never happen. Most of the people will continue to live miserable lives, get married, procreate etc.

MGTOW will always be a minority of men. It is a personal philosophy.

rooster-one4 · 2018-12-07T16:42:31+00:00

You are asking a question that leads me to believe you haven't watched a required movie for this sub....Idiocracy. It's on the checklist.

rasionalitas · 2018-12-07T16:51:42+00:00

Answer: not my problem.

Why would I bother with a civilization that slaves men and then treats us as disposable utilities?

But civilization won't colapse, one blue pill slave alive is enough to keep the species running... "but genes are 2 similar blablabla" - not my problem.

William_A_Bishop · 2018-12-07T16:56:39+00:00

If we dont have kids and civilisation collapases why the fuck do we care? We're dead and gone, what are we worried about, someone knocking our headstone over?

As for what we want: to be left alone. At least thats what i want. Just let me do my thing with minimal interaction with the festering wound on the planet that is human "civilisation" .

jargonoid · 2018-12-07T17:20:45+00:00

There is no collective goal of mgtow, because there is no collective. The goal in life is different for every man. There is no what do we want, only what do you want.

CiceroVoltaire · 2018-12-07T17:24:24+00:00

Indifference.

I don't care.

FTW.

Let it all crash and burn.

10 years or less, counting down until I can get myself out to near perfect solitude

[deleted] · 2018-12-07T17:08:10+00:00

Evolutionary speaking, males are more independents and also disposable, so for the human race are less valuable (Example: 1 male and 10 women is enormously better for the race than the opposite) However, males have a lot of advantages as individuals which is the opposite of females that work as a collective, if males overcome the reproduction instincts that force them to sacrifice their freedom for the race then they could enjoy the amazing abilities nature gave them, males as individuals are capable of enormous progress if they devoted themselves to their passions rather than the specie .

Fun fact : socialism appeals to feminists more bcz it based on a collective ideology, where capitalism as a concept celebrate merit and individuals

NietzscheExplosion · 2018-12-07T17:35:38+00:00

Artiwomb...men will probably do pregnancy better than women too.

Standard_Nebula · 2018-12-07T17:55:22+00:00

You have found the overall problem. MGTOW is the healthiest response to a virocultural disease. It is not in and of itself healthy.

(Totally made that word up. But I fucking nailed it.)

klim_milk · 2018-12-07T20:31:44+00:00

Did Newton crash civilization? Did Descartes? Did Montaigne? Did Voltaire? Did Tesla? And many more?

There have been many great men who never married and many who never cohabitated and many who never yoked themselves to a woman -- and you know what happened? Civilization.

Kids do NOT create civilization. America is full of them. Africa is full of them. South America is full of them. China is full of them. Many islands are full of them. None of them created civilization.

Civilization was created by single men who wanted to get out of the jungle and out of the rat race. And because single men were generous, everyone else also benefitted.

If it collapses, so what? We'll build it again because we're good at it.

deGeso88 · 2018-12-07T16:26:21+00:00

Let it burn

ImmortanV8 · 2018-12-07T16:44:34+00:00

I would not call the current affairs a state of civilization. We are living in the time of the „pussy cult“. THIS will destroy what‘s left of civilization if nothing changes. Bring man back in charge and see how everything flourishes again

Sheep_Foreign_Labor · 2018-12-07T20:54:07+00:00

I'm curios about that, is that the goal of mgtow? I don't understand the ultimate goal of mgtow. what do we really want?

That’s the beauty of MGTOW. It’s not supposed to be a movement, but simply embracing your own freedom. Do what you want to do, and don’t let other people try to shame you for it. In particular, don’t just marry out of a sense that it’s time, or you should, or your family is bitching at you for grandchildren. Enjoy your hobbies and/or work, know your worth, don’t settle for less than you feel you deserve, etc.

Frumpagumpus · 2018-12-07T21:50:50+00:00

What follows is my take.

You have to understand the endgame of human civilization is where we are already at. Much like in the movie the matrix, human civilization has peaked.

A bit ago I replied to someone who thought we should colonize mars:

"mars is about 50% farther from the sun than earth - this means it gets like half the solar energy per square meter, it's smaller - so there's less gravity and it has a hard time retaining an atmosphere, it has no magnetosphere so the solar wind blows away it's atmosphere and it's more exposed to radiation, there's not nearly as much water.... Trying to terraform mars for humans would be a huge waste and a fools errand (antartica or sea steading would be massively less foolish and those are both still foolish).

Machines could build a machine civilization there but they probably wouldn't bother cuz they would just go straight to building a dyson swarm out of asteroids, then eventually start disassembling planets. Don't worry though, less than 1% of the sun's energy falls on the earth and they won't have to dissassemble earth to build the dyson swarm... personally I think they'll turn earth into a museum... if we're not all turned into grey goo first.

If there is a future it won't look anything like star wars/trek/etc. Those are all bald faced lies"

Basically machines or less likely, genetically engineered organisms will be able to expand outward from earth at a rate that is either orders of magnitude (e.g. 1000x) or exponentially faster (e.g. 10 times faster and doubling in pace every few years), than humans possibly could, simply because we are physiologically only suited to live only in a small portion of earths biosphere. We don't handle radiation, vacuums, low gravity, high or low pressure environments, atmospheres that have a slightly different distribution of gases etc. well. So even if machines weren't twice as smart as humans they would still dominate in the long run. Therefore while historically speaking reproducing has been a good way to influence the future this will flip 180 degrees in the next 20-100 years.

look up kardashev scale 1. we aren't at type yet and just humans alone would probably take 100s of years to get there, if ever.

I don't think this is a bad thing. it's necessary. If we limited ourselves to just what humans are capable of, there is a 0% chance human civilization would still exist before our sun explodes. We would have killed ourselves off or been wiped out by some natural disaster well before then. Even if we colonized mars, and the rest of the solar system in the "traditional sci fi" fashion. Limiting yourself just to that is throwing away almost all of our potential. It's like we're a seed and refusing to bloom.

And it's not just about physiology, or merely being able to think faster or with more memory or power input or "smarter" either. If we can build an AI, it might be able to employ a different neural architecture that is actually debuggable. E.g. with what we currently know about ourselves we can't answer things like, why did I just think the thought I did? Or, why do I have depression? Our self awareness and self knowledge is limited, and like the design of todays deep neural nets, might be a more or less permanently intractable black box given our brains "hardware architecture". If we want to increase self awareness (ostensible goal of some religious movements), have to look past what we currently have. Asking, why did I think that is sort of the intermediate step on the road to why am I here that people like to think about, it's causally antecedent and in many ways more practical.

irrelevantmoniker · 2018-12-08T13:41:54+00:00

From your question you imply that civilization is worth saving.

At what point is civilization not worth saving to you?

Cause feminism has an end goal for human civilization:

"Men will have no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All pleasures for them will be destroyed. But for women, ah for women, always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a high heeled boot stamping on a mans face — forever."

Title	Civilization
Author	rasionalitas
Upvotes	11
Comments	23
Date	December 7, 2018 4:25 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/a41f85/civilization/
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