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[β]Sir_manalot20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Bad argument, is killing a tic murder to then? It is also a living being, a parasite and alive.
The question is this, when is it considered a human. When the baby is a sperm? When the sperm hits the egg? When the baby starts to have a heartbeat? When the baby leaves the room?
Each person will see this answer differently.
So the question is this, should all babies be born regardless of how they were conceived (rape, if his/her life will be shitty, etc)? Or does the quality of the babies life matter?
[β]Hoebey[S] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a counter argument against "a fetus isn't alive until it's born". There is no counter against "Jews/ Muslims/ Blacks/ Men/ .../ Babies are parasites and have to be wiped out". Except extensive therapy.
[β]Deydrania 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the question, isn't it? Medical Science has begun to screen embryos for genetic defects. This is done when one or both parents are carriers of such abnormalities. It's expensive, but the embryos can be scanned in a petri-dish for these and the ones who are tested positive are killed. Any that test negative for defects are implanted in the womb in the hopes that one latches on and is carried to term.
Is killing the embryos that tested positive for genetic diseases murder? Plenty of people think so, but honestly, I don't. Hell, in the wild, some animals will purposely kill the runt of the litter. Some will eat it. That's a long way from a petri-dish.
Disclaimer: I'm not arguing in favor of abortion. I think that women want parental choices, they should give us men choices as well.
[β]Endsieg45 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I thought what you did when i first read it, but if you think about it, it makes sense. If they claim the baby is a parasite, then the baby is alive, which means killing the baby is killing a living human being.
[β]Deydrania 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, I'd hardly think that you'd need to abort a dead embryo. Body takes care of that automatically. No one was debating whether it was alive. The basis for debate is somewhere else.
[β]Endsieg45 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? What is the basis for debate then? Im not trying to be confrontational by the way, I truly want to know what you think the basis is.
[β][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Murder is a specific term for the deliberately intentional act of killing another human being. Don't let vegans confuse you on the meaning of the word. You can kill an animal but you cannot murder one.
A life begins when sperm meets egg. It's the only perspective to take that remains consistent. It's the first second of your first physical state as a human being, cells with DNA unique of both the mother & the father. Let's not get started on the sentience argument; it's wrong to kill comatose babies, too.
Let's concede that rape victims should be allowed to get abortions. (Though it is a horrible lose-lose scenario) I'd wager legitimate rape baby abortions make up less than 2-5% of all abortions annually.
Quality of life argument falls apart because you can apply the same logic for mercy killing homeless people.
[β]Hoebey[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you look up "reasons for abortion" you'll find a lot of sources stating that less than 1% of abortions happen because of rape. Though I don't know which sources to trust on such an emotionally charged topic.
[β]julianleung0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You will have more flase rape allegation, only.
[β]Trollileo1230 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When the baby has got its first job its alive. Until then its moral to postnatal abort it.
[β]FallenITD14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Everyone is a clump of cells
cocks gun
[β]Endsieg45 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the logical conclusion of atheism/nihlism.
[β]Phantom_Spark7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wokeness + Logic = Total Catastrophe
[β]GrisBosque4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They just wanna kill babies.. babies are inconvenient.... Get in the way of their vanity trips...
[β]da_pooch3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When a clump of cells isn't alive but at the same time cells found on Mars prove there's life there π€
[β]sagilny4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My buddy says abortion in the Middle East is illegal. He mentioned that the law has one exception though.
The abortion laws in the middle east vary extensively from country to country.
[β]Stevo4111 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are just trying to justify their bad decisions, and not take the blame for it. They make the argument that "it's just a clump of cells", or " it won't feel anything anyways". Although yes it is true that a fetus is a "clump of cells" as they put it, but so is a fully grown person, we are all technically just a clump of cells. Also they don't realize that it doesn't matter when you kill an unborn child, because in the end, a child will be born and have a chance at life. Abortion ends that possiblity indefinitely. If you don't want a child, don't have sex, simple as that. But whores will be whores...
[β]tankmunson1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A pregnant woman is technically a clump of cells. Why canβt I just off the bitch if I donβt want to support her anymore?
[β]AeternusDoleo0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A tick is a parasite. It is alive. Eliminating the tick is murder now? This logic is flawed because it doesn't address the key issue: Whether or not that "clump of cells" is a person yet or not.
[β]Hoebey[S] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Babies are parasites" is a statement, not an argument. You can't argue with that on a logical level. But you can contradict it with another statement: "A fetus isn't alive until it's born."
That's the point.
[β]Deydrania 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
We kill parasites all the time. I get what you're trying to say, but "parasite" is a term used to define things that we actively kill 99.99% of the time.
[β]Endsieg45 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If it is a parasite then it is alive, and that means that abortion is killing a living human being.
[β]Deydrania -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
So killing abnormal fertilized eggs in a petri dish after screening for genetic defects in the hopes of getting a healthy embryo for implantation is the same as murdering a human being?
Abortion is the killing of a fetus or embryo, not the passing of a fertilized egg.
[β]HeadBangTiger0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just want consistency. If women can kill their babies in the womb, than a man should have a window to opt out of being a dad. No rights to access and no child support. If abortion is illegal than it should be automatic 50/50 custody....well either way we need 50/50 custody. We live in gynocentric clown world though so neither will ever happen.
[β]NoCharism0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
calling the most innocent members of society "a clump of cells" or a "parasite" wont go unpunished, once im going to be in charge of a country
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