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[–]andreas-mgtow18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Both are barbaric and violate the rights of the child. The issue here is equal protection under the law. Per the World Health Organization, type Ia, "removal of the clitoral hood or prepuce only" is considered a mutilation. This procedure is illegal in the US and it is directly equivalent to routine Male circumcision, which is rabidly defended.
[+]hinatasoul-6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Isn't removal of the clitoral hood much more dangerous (and sexually dulling) than male circumcision? Seems wrong to equate the two.
[–]andreas-mgtow3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're anatomically and functionally homologous. They even undergo morphogenesis as expression of the same gene (Fgfr2).
There is no reason not to equate them, other than political expedience.
[–]Diam35 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate how most readers on here will dispute something if it's wrong. Even if it's not "pro-MGTOW". Men are usually just interested in more truth, less ulterior agenda filth.
[–]Coluphid-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Dont kid yourself. They'll dispute things that are right - but that they've been programmed to fight against.
For instance where does male genital mutilation come from and who is pushing it?
[–]ManIsWalking6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Uh... that would be the Catholic church to help dissuade masterbation, Mr. Trebeck.
[–]Tyler7892284 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but you're wrong. That's the protestant !
No circumcision in any catholic country. It started in England and continued in the US, both protestant countries.
[–]ManIsWalking0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ah FUCK! so... did I not win the moneys?
[–]Tyler7892280 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope. You should have call a friend.
[–]Geegoat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Circumcised. Masturbatory Olympian. Checkmate, Catholic Church.
Catholic church is not involved in that !
[–]ManIsWalking0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same bro, I'm not going to let a little thing like the wrath of God keep me from punching the hobbit.
[–]knxguy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kellogs... yes the cereal Kellogs... pushed it... to stop boys form touching themselves........
[–]jim_the_gorrilla 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
We honestly need to stop circumcision as a whole. I mean how barbaric is it to remove something that creates pleasure, and it FUCKING PROTECTS THE PENIS. Hell even college humor (which is a very PC show) said circumcision is bad. It's entirely unscientific, and shouldn't be allowed. Plus there are a shit ton of ethical questions. You bastards who say circumcision is good why don't you watch a video of how much pain the baby is in. The baby is screaming it's head off, and some even lose their voice. Also it increases the likely hood of a child dying significantly. Honestly fuck you if you support male circumcision, and fuck anyone doctors who do it to child. I mean that fucking defies the Hypocratic oath fucking bastards. Also this is coming from a guy who was circumcised, so fuck you if you support it.
[–]redditrat990 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't support circumcision, but there have been a few minor health benefits which may explain why it gained some traction in a world before modern hygiene practices.
Specifically, (from the CDC) "Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs, penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection. In female partners, it reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV."
So, let's rewind the clock to before the industrial revolution and access to clean water. In those cases... well, yeah. It kind of makes sense to perform a circumcision.
However! All of these concerns can be mitigated by monogamy and modern hygiene practices.
So, in short, i agree with you that circumcision in today's era is unnecessary and cruel provided people are monogamous and clean.
[–]jim_the_gorrilla 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Toché, but still doesn't circumcision break the Hypocratic oath?
[–]redditrat990 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I suppose. It would also probably make more sense to simply not do it when they are babies and then ask men after they are mature if they want to get the surgery done, but make it affordable.
[–]Belrick_NZ6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
In fetuses there is a nodule of flesh that develops either as a clithood or a foreskin depending on the gender .
They are the sane. Stop being cucks stop proyecting male mutilation
[–]verynormalsimple-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Still not the same since women have a clit AND a vagina, which can led them to orgasm independently of each other.
[–]Belrick_NZ3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wtf is your point cuck? You need red pilling.
[–]verynormalsimple-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
LoL, there's a lot of aggro kids here, chill out and read my comments.
[–]Belrick_NZ2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm on mgtow so i don't have to encounter beta cucks and white knights defending female privilege.
[–]verynormalsimple-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And why exactly do you think I'm white knighting and defending female privilege ? I was just pointing out that removing clit hood is not equivalent to removing the penis foreskin.
[–]Belrick_NZ-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Extra orifices allows for greater privilege? Hey in that case men should be servants to women right! Fuck mgtow, men going after women is better!
[–]ManIsWalking3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I once asked my mom why she had me circumcised as a newborn instead of waiting to ask me if that's what I wanted. Her response was "I didn't want girls to make fun of you when you got older shrug."
[–]EconomistMagazine2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No be honest it's all a religious culture war. Judaism and some sects of Christianity think God says mutilate your sons. Islam takes it one gender further.
[–]GalacticLinx3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I dont get why USA people mutilate their genitals?
jew influence?
I really dont get it. In the rest of the world, it doesnt happen.
[–]the_unseen_one1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It was pushed heavily by Kellogg to dissuade masturbation. The dude was a fucking nut ball who also promoted things like forced sterilization and clitorectomy, but for some reason circumcision is the one that stuck.
[–]Tokyogaikoku442 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are the same. The countries that promote female circumcision are doing what the West does to boys. In Jewish tradition, the rabbi sucks the blood. Where are the people protesting these practices?
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[–]sidel30 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mentioned tjis in a Stephan Molyneux video and got some nice hate from the coments. Lol
[–]boringcarpets0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You see, people wonder why we'd turn our backs on their society - they've never cared about us, so why should we do anything for them?
[–]prsTgs_Chaos0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya there's kind of a difference between chopping off a girls clit and removing useless saggy skin around the end of your dick. I'm circumsized and couldn't care less. I actually feel like I prefere it. When not erect, my skin is enough to cover the end, but when erect it pulls tight and I feel way more comfortable than when there's random skin over it.
[+]curiouslyengaged-7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Well female circumcision is comparable to chopping off the head of the penis not skin around it ... apples and oranges
[–]the_unseen_one25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Except it is not. I'm surprised to see that misinformation spread even here. By far the most common forms of female circumcision are clitoral hood removal, labia removal, and a ritualistic pinprick. What you are referring to is a clitorectomy, which is much rarer.
[–]sgt_squirrel 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Didn't know that. I thought it was removing the clitoris.
[–]the_unseen_one0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sometimes it is, and sometimes it's even so severe to remove all the dangle bits and sew up the vaginal canal. Barbaric and horrid without a doubt, but it's a myth that FGM is only the most extreme forms.
I can't find the source saying the MGM equivalent FGM is the most common so don't quote me on that.
[–]QuoteMe-Bot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes it is, and sometimes it's even so severe to remove all the dangle bits and sew up the vaginal canal. Barbaric and horrid without a doubt, but it's a myth that FGM is only the most extreme forms. I can't find the source saying the MGM equivalent FGM is the most common so don't quote me on that.
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[–]verynormalsimple10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Quite the opposite. First of all you're talking about an extremely uncommon kind of female mutilation, and even then it's still better than what they do to males. Removing the foreskin produces irreversible changes in the tissue of an INTERNAL ORGAN (the penis is internal, just like your tongue), numbing approximately 85% of the sensibility of the penis. Removing the clit only removes around 50% of the pleasurable zones for a woman, so the equivalent for a woman would be removing the clit AND numbing more than half of the vulva.
[–]Belrick_NZ3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bullshit. As in you are a feminist. The clit hood is the same flesh rhat in boys becomes the foreskin. Apples and apples.
[+]iamlikethewindbaby -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
To be fair female genital mutilation is exponentially worse than doctor performed circumcisions. Both are wrong.
[–]verynormalsimple12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not really when you consider that removing the foreskin numbs 85% of genital sensation, which would be the equivalent of fully removing the clitoris and shutting down like half of the vulva. BTW the most common for of female circumcision is just pinching the clit until it bleeds, it doesn't really produce irreversible changes to any tissue...
[–]awalt_mgtow2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Typical feminist bullshit - my victimhood is bigger than yours.
[–]iamlikethewindbaby -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm probably the most anti-feminist person here. I'm very open about it in real life and it leads to some exciting encounters in public places with white knight beta cucks. Not being able to ignore facts is what lead me down that road and I'm not going to start ignoring facts now just because they don't fit an anti-feminist narrative.
Circumcisions performed by medical professionals in American hospitals isn't really comparable to African girls getting their vaginas hacked by some uneducated witch-doctor.
I've already said that male circumcisions are wrong. We know now that they don't really have any positive effects and parents circumcising their sons now should be ashamed of themselves. The only male circumcisions that are on par with female circumcisions are the ones were rabbis are giving infants herpes.
[–]awalt_mgtow0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My point is that feminists and their defenders always come up with some bullshit "victim point scale" and their shit is always worse than everyone elses and this is another example. Shit like, men die at war, but women are the true victims etc etc.
My point is why indulge in this shit at all? Why try and say womyn's case are worse unless this or that blah blah. Circumcision of anyone is bad - stop it.
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