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Happy Fourth

BananaWilly

July 4, 2019

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Title	Happy Fourth
Author	BananaWilly
Upvotes	1014
Comments	94
Date	July 4, 2019 8:33 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/c97cpd/happy_fourth/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/happy-fourth.434442 https://theredarchive.com/post/434442

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I agree with that. I remember back in school we were taught that the internal combustion engine was one of the greatest inventions of the modern era because it allowed us to cheaply and easily produce and transport almost everything we need. I had the privilege of living before the internet was as widespread as it is now, and watching our cultural adoption of it change the way the modern world functions.

I think the reason I'm not coming across as well as I'd like is that we haven't really defined "civilization" as per the OP. There's human civilization as a whole, and then there are cultural civilizations (like the West for example). These can also be thought of as ideological, not just demographic.

I feel like you're comparing where we are now to where we have been, and yes obviously I would rather live now then in the past where I would already be dead haha.

I love history, it was my favorite subject in school and I love reading/watching videos in my spare time. We have the ability to gather evidence and try to understand what the world was like in the past, but unfortunately, the resources we have are limited and we make new strides in understanding the past every day. I'd also point out that history books are written by the winners, so there's always a bias when reading about the past.

If we could travel in the future, and compare ourselves now to the future, hopefully we would find our civilization lacking in comparison, but that's the beauty of hindsight. We can't accurately compare ourselves to the civilizations in the past because we're biased from our future perspective. People don't miss TV's if they've never even heard of them.

Bouncing off that and bringing it back to your "start of the transformation" point. I think we're quickly approaching the start of a new human civilization and world order, and I think the mass adoption of the the internet was the spark that ignited the powder.

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This is a lazy argument bro, you're doing a false equivalence here, and then stating my position as equating/comparing hunter gatherers or subsistance farming.

Personally I was thinking more long term like space colonization and how we balance liberties vs systemic control, but you could look backwards too and compare our civilization to other civilizations in terms of ideology, but to imply I was saying we should be tribal hunter gathers because that's the "opposite" of having access to scientific research and antibiotics is absurd at best and lazy thinking at worse.

You can't judge a thing until we see where it lead, that's why I said let's see where it takes us before we start patting our backs. This civilization could end up in ashes, or it could pave the way to something better or worse.

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No, I think education changes people greatly, and if you disagree with that then I’m sorry but you’ve been sheltered. Having a deep understanding of how the world works will change anyone. And I think women who are educated are far more empowered than women who are not, and as a result do not feel the need to be reliant on men and perhaps be deceptive in order to obtain a man, since in that case their survival relies on it. It’s fucked, and women everywhere need to be more educated and capable of supporting themselves without leeching onto men and sucking them dry just because they can. I’m sorry you feel this way about women, and I wish that you were surrounded by better. Please do not treat women you have just met with contempt just because other women have treated you poorly. Give everyone a chance to show their character.

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