Holy. Shit.

MGTOWlifer · 2020-04-15T05:48:06+00:00

The "old her" was the same as she is now, she just didn't care to hide it anymore. This is why AWALT exists

MrDoctorPaco · 2020-04-15T05:57:11+00:00

She was fucking him before she broke up with you. They don't let go of one branch till they have a hold of another branch. [MGTOW 101]

user_miki · 2020-04-15T06:43:08+00:00

Listen many times women in stable relationships pick up fights on purpose just to be separated few days a short breakup in order to fuck other men guilt free and go back to the stable relationship like nothing happen.In her mind that was not cheating though she planned in advance the short breakup.Guys don't be stupid.That was the plan all along.

In her mind you were not together and is the past so her man should not question her sexual past.Do you see the twisted mind and logic.She arranged for her in advance plausible deniability.These kind of people are dangerous and manipulative to extremes.

Some dudes find out after many years when a DNA test of his children revealed the truth.

If she is out she is out for good.

AhIndeed · 2020-04-15T05:51:14+00:00

The older her was you with love goggles on brother. I know you dont believe me now, but as you age and look back on it, you will see AWALT applies, even to your precious flower.

pluvoaz · 2020-04-15T07:08:25+00:00

Bro never be friends with a woman, I tried being friends with mine but she only really wanted to talk if she needed me. My ex gf told me she almost cheated me. I was the one that dumped so I could not get mad. Do not get mad because it will just come back to her. She is not gf or wife material because she had sex. If you break up with a girl never talk to her again, do the no contact thing.

aragamiiii · 2020-04-15T06:47:30+00:00

I’m 25 right now. When I was 16-17, i opened up to a girl, later i learned that she had a bf, i immediatly backed off. After that we become friends and later he left the dude and told me “i like you.” And we started going out. After 1 month sent a message saying that “we need to talk” and i said “are you going to break up with me” she said “yes” and we broke up via sms. After 1-2 days she was already holding hands, doing shit with other guy(new bf). What i want to say is I believe she will come back to you have to reject her once a cheater always a cheater. Edit: I’m not native speaker sorry for my english :).

ObjectivelyMyOpinion · 2020-04-15T09:46:26+00:00

Women are programmed to mate up and across dominance hierarchies, everything they do is to hold up the illusion they are important because it gives their future security. In some ways it's kind of genius what they do. They let males fight it out between themselves, they watch the hierarchies form and than aim to seduce the guys on top of it with whatever they can. If they can't, they settle for mediocrity. That's why most of the time women cheat with successful or attractive men or whatever sort of guy is at the top of a hierarchy. Although in your case it's probably a lot less complicated and calculated. You're 17, she probably just felt like getting fucked by another dude. Just remember that there are certain undertones that will always hold and if you think a girl is special your wrong.

sootlord · 2020-04-15T11:13:59+00:00

Its never just 5 days after being seperated. She already had the guy in the stable bro

Vaxel00 · 2020-04-15T05:50:29+00:00

A.W.A.L.T.

At least you know.

PrinceRaj53 · 2020-04-15T10:10:42+00:00

I'm 17

Don't tell me this is what I think it is.

This is my first love

Why? You are 17. Why are you looking for "loove & compahnionship" or long term relationships? You should enjoy life and women, not make relationships with them. Trust me when I say the above, I know what I am saying, I am just one year older than you.

We broke up because I pushed too hard and she felt like we were getting nowhere.

Nope, she broke up with you because she was looking for a guy who would give her the same psychological high that she got from her previous mates. She is just another pump & dump material, stop putting her on a pedestal. She simply wanted to have her cake (seeing/fucking other guys on the side) and eat it too(while staying in that so called "relationship"), thinking that you would be the beta she expected you to be. But since you were not and expected commitment/loyalty from her and pushed for it, you stopped serving her purpose, so she hard nexted you by monkey branching.

She wants a guy who would support her "independence" after she is done hopping on her side dick, not a guy who would expect commitment & loyalty from her. And since you are the second guy(expecting from her), she does not see it as beneficial for her.

What's the conclusion here? She saved you from a lifetime of misery.

And you actually loved this girl? C'mon now.

I have to say though, she is smart.

We kept talking afterwards. Things seemed to be getting better. We were doing good until tonight.

You mean after she became your ex, you kept talking to her in the hopes of winning her back or something?

Let me give you some serious advice here :

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7

It is always time and effort better spent developing your own new fresh self and fucking women without Oneitis than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship or falling in love, as both are useless acts. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

Relationships are not cars, they can't be "fixed". Whoever told you the "fix relationship" nonsense needs to be punched in the face, because he was lying to you. You don't fix a relationship or the woman in that relationship. What you can do is review that relationship and see/recognise her red flags and spot where you missed them which made you take such a stupid decision(like falling in love).

She hid that in the past five days that we've been separated, she fucked another guy.

Obviously. Why do you think she broke up with you in the first place? Because when she was with you in the relationship, she already found another dick that she is sexually attracted to and was giving enthusiastic bjs to him, the same enthusiasm that she never showed when she was with you.

A random fact about relationships : in a relationship, the woman does not break up at the moment of the breakup. Months before that moment, she finds another branch to go to, and after seeing/comparing you with the branch, seeing that the other guy gives her the tingles that she wanted, she feels that you do not serve her anymore, so she slowly mentally & psychologically checks out of the relationship. The moment when she says "we are breaking up" is just the moment of the official declaration. In reality, she broke up months ago, you just came to know after a lot of time.

You, my friend, have a lot to learn. Although I am surprised because I knew this stuff since I was 13. I mean, girls start sucking & fucking other dicks outside relationships when they are 15. I got bjs from girls who did not tell me they were in a relationship and I only found out later, by seeing. We both had casual stuff with women, right? So how did you not know that?

The old her wouldn't have done this. She cared about stuff like that and only wanted sex with people she loved.

You know, you're cute. But unfortunately that is actually helping women to exploit you.

You saw the old her because you were seeing her with rose tinted glasses on. The actual truth is, there was no difference between the "old her" & the "new her". She simply stopped pretending to care about you because she does not have to anymore. Her previous tool(you) do not serve her anymore, so why would she bother with pretending to do anything? Think logically, you will get your answer.

She sees nothing wrong with what she did. I completely cut ties and called her every name in the book. I was and am crushed. She told me the things she said was because I "kept pushing".

Obviously she will not see anything wrong with that. Because that wrong is not effecting her, its effecting you. And she does not have any problem with that. As long as that bad thing does not effect her, she won't see anything wrong with that. Cold truth, but truth regardless.

Although, you did a big mistake by calling her out with every name in the book (I'm not a westerner, so I dont know what book you are talking about, sorry for that if it's a reference for anything). By doing that, you gave her exactly what she craved and wanted so badly. She wanted ego satisfaction, a psychological high by seeing how you are beneath her(in terms of options regarding women, while she has an influx of guys), how you are suffering from the breakup due to your massive investment in the relationship & how you are still invested at her. Women generally get a big confidence and ego boost by seeing men bowing down like that, it gives them a weird satisfaction, to see that "wow. Even after the breakup I am still living rent free in his head, I definitely deserve better than that inferior asshole". You are crushed, and she knows it, and its simply feeding her ego and not benefiting you in any way.

She lied. I asked if there was anyone else multiple times. She said no.

Why?

Why? Well, let me ask you : when was the last time you saw a woman being honest about the following things?

1)Her body count

2)Her sexual past

3)How invested and loyal she is in that relationship

Exactly. No woman in this world (Including our mothers, in case you think I am going to make any exceptions, nope) will say the truth or admit the truth about these things. Never. Because the woman knows that the truth when not hidden, makes the woman's value lower in the man's eyes as an investment because men invest a lot in a relationship, including men's biggest asset, commitment.

This isn't anything like the woman I fell in love with a year ago.

That's because when you fall in love with that woman, you were naive, had little to no experience regarding female nature and no knowledge about the male female dynamics that are far more important than the "just be yourself" cliche being repeated by your family members.

No smart/wise men "falls in love". That's a stupid act of degrading yourself to the next level. You wont see a guy with experience with women "falling in love", because he is familiar with what goes on behind the scenes. You see mate, love has two categories : idealistic love(male) & "opportunistic love"(female). Males do that idealistic love because men always have this ldealized version of a woman in their mind who would love the man for who he is and would be loyal and whatever nonsense that males believe in(our older generations were stupid as fuck, just like the present generation). You would never see a woman having this kind of fictional nonsensical beliefs. A woman's love towards man, is simply a clever cost benefit analysis on her part, which directly correlates with what opportunity she is getting and what is benefiting/serving her directly or indirectly in that concept of "love & compahnionship". The love you expect from a woman as a man is practically impossible for her to give you because that would require a lot of sacrificial qualities, such as being loyal for once, not hiding her past or anything and so on, (I dont want to make a list of qualities here, not looking for love or marriage) which can not be expected from a woman as that expectation can doom a man pretty easily, just like how you got crushed after your breakup.

And Opportunistic love = Manipulability, which can be dangerous for a man's well being. Love is simply that fictional comfort zone where men hide so that they won't have to face the reality.

There are approx 52% of people know whats going on. The 51% are the women, and the 1% is men like us who have both the experience(sexual and others) and the knowledge that comes with it. The rest of the men have their heads up some broads ass thinking she is "the right one"/"soulmate"/"unicorn" or whatever names married guys/relationship guys prefer, because they believe in that disney fantasy.

I read these posts and always thought, "yeah, I got a good one, these aren't her".

You are not the only one. Unfortunately there are a lot of men on this sub who still think the same. As I said, herd mentality : "mine is different because we have a connection(5G I guess)"/"my wife/gf is different because I know her(the cuteness, when the guy thinks he knows her) & the infamous cliche "not all women are like that because my mother is not like that" (retorting to the mother sister argument once they have nothing else to say). I used to feel bad for dudes like this, but not anymore. Willful ignorance do not deserve sympathy or empathy.

Reminds me of the story my granny used to tell me when I was 11, a story in our mother tongue about a rat who forcefully closes his eyes and waits for the cat to go away, thinking since he can't see the cat, the cat also can't see him. I used to compare that story with the rp theories I saw in real life.

everydayloserguy · 2020-04-15T06:30:00+00:00

Women just don't love like we do... Accept that young and it'll save you decades of pain and loss.

womenofcourse · 2020-04-15T07:52:05+00:00

GOD gave them choice

and they made the choice to reject him

RedMeatTrinket · 2020-04-15T11:23:38+00:00

We all have gotten a good one, until she's not.

cyber_goth_ · 2020-04-15T12:40:52+00:00

Man I remember being that age. I’m a decade older. Young chap, I got to be with some beautiful women. I just don’t date anymore. Anyways, these bitches are not shit. Wish someone would have told me: every male I knew was envious of my ability to smack that piñatas But don’t center your life around it. They never love you. They live being seen with a fashion accessory And or ATM that dispenses attention and actual money. Much love dude

Zachjsrf · 2020-04-15T13:43:50+00:00

Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people call “love” is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, Morty, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. I did it. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle, Morty. Rise above. Focus on science. - Rick Sanchez

Never a better quote to live by.

noobahoi · 2020-04-15T13:51:40+00:00

There are no unicorns.

Sad but take care of yourself first. Good luck.

2020-04-15T19:24:34+00:00

here is the truth:

she checked out of the relationship a loooooonnngg time ago, she was just waiting to monkey branch to a new guy. girls don't let go of a guy until they have another one lined up.

you did not give her gina tingles, even if she was trying to love you she couldn't because again you don't give her the gina tingles and those gina tingles cannot come from negotiation. where do the gina tingles come from? having high cheek bones, being tall, muscular, very extroverted, tattoos, and the attitude of not giving a fuck.

don't talk to her, don't hang out with her, don't message her. she will try to extract your attention without giving anything that you want in return. her gina tingles will not come back on for you, don't lie to yourself. move the fuck on to a next girl, you fucking some other girl and her finding out is the only thing that might give her a short term gina tingle , but that will fade too. if you play it right you can get 1 more fuck out of her after her gina tingles start to tingle after you fuck another girl. she will have to fuck you to prove to herself that she is better than the other girl, its won't be even because she likes you its because of her vanity

pluvoaz · 2020-04-15T19:33:52+00:00

This is still fresh & raw so of course you are angry. This will pass. Your heart will harden and you will wise up.

In some ways she did you a favor. Imagine if you had been married with children. She'd have half you shit while your living in your car or, if your lucky, a 400 sqft shitbox.

Welcome, brother.

RoboMandrake · 2020-04-15T21:36:48+00:00

They are almost never the one you knew in the beginning. Simple fact is they get bored with fucking the same cock after awhile and want something new and exciting that will light up their world. Zero concept of love as men experience it. Zero comprehension of long term effects of actions. Zero consideration that when their looks fade so will their passes to ride the cock carousel.

Title	Holy. Shit.
Author	jumpedupps4
Upvotes	37
Comments	39
Date	April 15, 2020 5:44 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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