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Have you studied when exactly and how was marriage invented? Are you sure it was to protect men or to protect women? Are you sure the laws created that restricted women behavior weren't to at least made the situation less terrible for them, by allowing men to marry? Marriage is total alien to men. We men only want sex for the most.
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You are confusing things bro. And dont get me wrong. I saw a lot of your comments before here, and i upvoted you many times. Hope to get a good debate with you.
Marriage as you are describing, is the judeo-christian/greco-roman interpretation. You are completely disregarding relationships in other cultures, either tribal, nomadic, pre-christian, or even now in islam, or even in animals in the wild. I see that opinion often expressed even by mgtows, and it is fine, because i use to think like you. It is very influenced yet by the bluepill and by mra, and traditionalism.
Society wants you to think that you care about the children and women. In reality you in the wild, and in your natural version, you disregard both children and women. You are the Ghengis Khan warrior, the viking warrior, the barbarian. Civilization made you repeat what you just said. You did not evolve to obsess about who she is fucking with, or if the child is yours. Biologically speaking we did not have rewards for staying around the same female, on the contrary. Logically, the beta male who stays around is a degeneration of our species. And by beta male i include the supposed modern alpha that marries. We are all beta compared to the barbarian. Women instantly put you in the beta category if you assume a relationship with them, its an instinct.
Therefore, men evolve to fuck as many women as they can and dump them, and not care about who the offspring is. Society and civilization, and politics was created to submit the barbarian man, or natural wild man. To keep him around through religion and laws. We are all cucks, putting it very simple. Of course the bluepill thinking hates this idea, because the bluepill wants to have an illusion that there is a hope or things are like this for a good reason. The bluepill wants to justify marriage and relationships with women, when in the wild women are worthless liabilities and all end up as single mothers, and thats why the tribe was created. In the tribe, all sons and daughters belong to the tribe, it is irrelevant who the father is...
If you think you are supposed to see women in any different way than sex objects. Remember how you were in puberty, did you want to be around girls for anything other than sex? Only girly boys want that, masculine boys complete reject women as companions during and before puberty. Or ask the men that did TRT, they all report they start seeing women as fuck objects instead potential partners.
There is so much evidence that we are being brainwashed by the media and entertainment to believe that we must stay around women, its undeniable. Kids are irrelevant man. The cultural thing of the kids and your dna is the biggest scam ever. You need to research telegony and microchimerism.
I could explain you how our idea of marriage was created in the Roman Empire, if you still won't accept my arguments. We could go back to how the 10 commandments were written after the hebrews were having an orgy in the desert and eating all their food instead of focusing on mission...
Your idea of marriage is a product of greco-roman law and christianity, and it was made basically because men were not staying around the hoes, they were just fucking and leaving (cause no paternity tests anyways) (i can elaborate more on this if you want). AND IT DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM, hence why you got the advent of islam. Of course if there is such a problem, because all i see is a struggle for power and slavery.
High testosterone men dont think about having children, but about having sex and running away. We are normally trapped into fatherhood. Classical marriage was created to make it more ok to cuck, by restricting female nature, and giving power and moral to the man. Of course that is still not enough for some men, and they still would not give their freedom for 1 hoe. And women totally resent that, and will cheat on any beta that marries even with the milkman. Marriage is the product of scarcity mentality for men, and women know it and perceive it as weakness. And right now is just cuckery, hence why women rightfully despise any man who falls for such a shit test.
Yes and no. That is mostly post judeo-christian. The greeks and romans were hedonists, they would share wives, go in orgies. Who the son was, nobody knows. Yes it is true that lust is an issue for men. But worse than lust, is being clingy to a woman, and the romans and greeks despised that. The christians focused too much on the sexual part, and forgot and emasculating it can be for a man to be with 1 woman forever...
Anyways. I will await your feedback.
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Agreed. But thats none of my concern. If society only runs well on the backs of men, or on delusional men, then i guess i will let it fall. For those who are sensitive to it, because they watched too many epic movies, go ahead and keep slaving away...
Im not saying that we should be lustful bro. Im saying we shouldn't be the other side of the same coin, which is becoming submissive to and clingy, aka being monogamous.
Your argument still stands, because we have evidence that monogamy and delusional men are what keep economies going. Not my monkeys not my circus.
Again you are arguing for the nations, and collectivism. Mgtow is not concerned with that. Mgtow is stoicism and accepts the fact that things eventually die, and that it is not your responsibility to take one for the team as an individual.
No. They became strong when they become stoic and accepted reality with open chest. Thats the barbarian. The barbarian always conquers the domesticated men. The barbarian is lustful yet not domesticated. When the barbarian becomes domesticated he will be conquered soon. Men who marry and commit are less likely to adventure and fight. Men who have nothing to lose win.
It could be said that monogamy is a kind of a lust too. Because it guarantees sex. It is scarcity by design and at the same time the illusion of abundance. What do you think happens to a man that gets the same pussy everyday, and its only that pussy he can get, and he gets it regardless. It becomes a drug. Its no good for a man to stay with the same woman for a long time. I tell you from experience bro... This is the incel part of mgtow that a lot dont understand. A lot of mgtows are incels in denial, they still think that men going their own way is some kind of involuntary action, when mgtow is standard male behavior seen in all species... Curbing mgtow means giving all the power to the males, so they at least tolerate females, otherwise, standard behavior is to not associate with females more than sex.
Men dont care because we didnt evolve that way. You didnt evolve that way because men never knew if the offspring was theirs, thats why we dont have baby rabies. Thats why we are ok with cucking others, because you are just putting one of yours more in the world. The love a father is tribal love, it is a genuine, altruistic, sacrificial love. The love a mother is an unconditional, instinctive love, because its the love of her own genes that she is sure its hers.
No. Monogamy was invented to protect women from the wild, and from our standard mgtow behavior. They were pump and dumped and left to fend for themselves, because we had nothing to gain from staying around them. In the advent of islam, this is very well described, women were raped and left in the desert. As for daughters they were killed at birth for having no utility. In the advent of judaism story is similar. In the advent of christianity the story involves the whole socio political environment of the decline of the republic, and the rise of the multicultural empire. Augustus Caesar tried to curb the natural tendency for men to be mgtow, with a lot of laws, including bachelor laws, and very expensive propaganda, and he succeeded but at what price and until when and for what really, other than his ego... The romans as a patriarchal kingdom was fierce, loyal, and honorable. The roman republic was hedonistic, pride, arrogant, materialistic, glory and vanity. The romans at the end of the empire 400 ad were schizophrenic men unfit for service. The romans at the downfall of the republic 30 bc, were refusing to fight for Rome, because rome as a nation was obsolete, it became a multicultural empire, men fight for family and women, which had already degenerated for many generations. So in a certain sense im saying you are right, that women and monogamy make civilization, but this is at the expense of the individual free man. You need to go check the Fate of the Empires, the mouse utopia experiment, and the Decline of the west of oswald spengler. Therefore monogamy was invented to stop women from being miserable in scarce environments at the cost of all men. Not the other way around.
100%. I never said they are important. Im saying that women resent being married even with an alpha. Because women perceived commitment from the alpha as weakness.
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Having a daughter is my worst nightmare. They will suck the money and the life out of you. You will have to deal with lots of bullshit. And you will never get rid of them because they won't find anyone because a lot of men are already going mgtow. Add feminism to that, and she is not really a daughter she is a trojan horse in your house.
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