Okay so the general consensus around here is that incels are lame, incapable and pissed off because they can't get laid, but then the subturns around and generally bashes them for their inability to consort with the enemy for the sake of sexual relations? Why, for a gyu who has gone his own way, should that matter at all whether or not he can get laid? I thought the point of this sub was to encourage independence, yet by way of going out and getting laid, you're having to deal with the same shit which probably caused you to go MGTOW in the first place. We rightfully blame women for the shitty state of relations with us these days, how 90% of the women are chasing just 10% of the guys, thereby making it all but impossible to find some ass the "normal", organic way, but then the sub turns around and blames the incels for not being able to get any. Like I said, if you're an average guy, not an alpha (not many of us really want to be or are alphas) you are in fact the LAST thing women want. If this is about living hinestly, then why would I want to go out of my way to pretend to be something I'm not in order to get laid? Yes, maybe not getting laid as much as I deserved is part of what brought me here, but now I can't stand to even talk to them long enough to get laid, so why does that matter? Very few guys have the gift of being able to do easy pickups, and even then, I wouldn't want to even fake being what kind of shallow, asshole guy they usually are, and most of those self-styled PUAs aren't getting even half the ass they say they are anyway. I've had guys who are generally attractive to women tell me straight up that getting laid is hard. I would fall into the incel class if not for one reason, and that is Iam perfectly willing to pay for sex, I have paid for sex, and if the mood ever strikes me, I'll pay for it again. No man need be an incel so long as he's willing to explore the option of ponying up some cash to get it. Only most guys who are incels are, though they won't say it, too chicken-shit scared to admit they're scared shitless to hire a whore and pay for it. They worry about performance anxiety, diseases, etc. Ok well trust me, when the moment comes, you WILL get wood, and as far as diseases go, wrap that thing up and don't do anything stupid. Keep in mind no matter who you fuck, you could just as easily get a disease. So can we please just the fuck for once ease up on the incels? They didn't make this an all but impossible game for well over 90% of the guys, so it's not like it's the incels own fault, and they have every right to be disgruntled. They're our brothers whom we should support and welcome to the MGTOW movement.