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[–]Slicktorine 11 points12 points13 points (5 children) | Copy Link
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Someone who values his life more than a meaningless title.
EDIT: What good would being a hero do for his son had he not lived?
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A disposable hero.
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I like that.
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He's certainly more of a hero than that degenerate Bruce Jenner!
But seriously, it's a good question to discuss, I'm going with yes, he is a hero, because veteran or not, he wasn't expected to have to be put into that situation while going to school, and he took great risk to himself to try to stop the shooter.
Now, is being a hero necessarily a good thing? Is it better to be briefly remembered as a hero for a couple of weeks or be there to raise your son? What would his son have thought if he had died? Would his son have cared if he were a hero if he were dead? I know what I think and it's why I got out of the military: When you choose to become a family man, your family has to come number one above all else. You can no longer have the luxury of doing risky things that may screw your family over. In other words, even if he didn't choose to be put into that situation, he should have acted in his son's best interest and taken the actions that he thought would most likely ensure his personal survival.
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Good to know.
Invaluable to others. Society enforces the idea that a man's purpose is to live, serve and die for others. It is the antithesis of MGTOW philosophy.
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What he chooses to do with his life is nobody's business but his own. I'm not here to criticize him or his actions. I take issue with the way people expect men to do what he did in a situation like that. It's one of the few ways men get any recognition anymore. On some level that expectation is what drove him to react the way he did instead of thinking about what it could mean for the future of his son. Is removing a social construct (one that makes you value your own life as less than) really the same as forcing another?
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You haven't made the case that risking your life makes it more valuable to you. You've argued that it makes it more valuable to others. There is a reason why men are far more likely to engage in this kind of behaviour and it's because women value their lives more.
What the shooter did was unexpected, why isn't society admiring him?
Thank you for making my point. MGTOW philosophy forces us to examine all of the ways that we've been conditioned to act against our best interests and reject it.
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That much is obvious.
I did it to point out the absurdity of your statement.
You're effectively using one incident to try to disprove the general trend of male disposability. It isn't simply to do with how society views us, but how we view ourselves based on the messages we internalize. You're completely dismissing all of the other times men have risked their lives for "the greater good" (including working dangerous jobs) of which we have countless examples. There is nothing exceptional about this man or this incident and to pretend that there is, is laughable. If ever there was an example of missing the forest for the tree, this would be it.
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This expectation is precisely the problem, which apparently some people in here don't seem to understand.
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Hero or not, what good would he be to his son dead? What he's doing is commendable but we have to ask ourselves why he reacted the way he did. Why was his immediate instinct to put himself further in danger which would most likely get him killed and jeopardize his son's future? MGTOW content producers have already approximated an answer to this question in their examination of human nature through evolutionary psychology.
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