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jesterace/r/MensRights05/10/14 08:41 AM
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Questionjesterace/r/MGTOW02/10/15 11:33 PM
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It's all good. You've reaffirmed my belief that this place hasn't changed one bit. Still the same sanctimonious attitude with nothing to show for it.
/r/MensRights14/05/17 12:07 AM
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So gender is class war Hats off to you. With Jordan Peterson's dick so far up your ass you somehow found the room to pull this bullshit out. you can't talk to your enemy Talking to people is the only way to achieve what i mentioned you dumb fuck. The problem with the people in this movement is that a whole lot of you have no clue who or what "the enemy" is. Men's issues and women's issues are both biological first, then psychological, then cultural, with ideology coming in last. Have you ever wo…
/r/MensRights13/05/17 11:49 PM
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I'm encouraging you to help change the rules that disproportionately disparage men I appreciate that but you're not changing the rules as long as you're playing by them. by involving yourself, in a way the you see fit and brings you fulfillment. Since leaving the MRM nearly 4 years ago I have helped more men using MGTOW philosophy than I ever did as an MRA. The reason is because MGTOW philosophy describes the human condition in an honest way (which is something the MRM used to do up until 5 year…
/r/MensRights13/05/17 08:28 AM
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Acknowledging issues of modern society does not necessitate asserting that any previous point in history was supposedly superior. I want to move forward just not at the expense of men's lives. Humans are smarter, healthier, more literate, tolerant, and technological advanced than ever before. Meanwhile legal protections for men are being taken away because they're "in the way" of progress. That is the price for your incessant beating of the drum that we must advance at all costs. I'm well aware …
/r/MensRights13/05/17 02:05 AM
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Better. By nigh every measurement. Human society has never been better than it is today. Given that the theme of my post was about the importance of giving more attention to the well being of individual men instead of continuing to ignore it in favour of what works best only for society, I can't help but think you are being deliberately obtuse here. If things are as great for men as you say they are then this movement is pointless along with you posting here.
/r/MensRights12/05/17 09:38 PM
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necessary social interactions We still have friends, family and (surprise!) some of them are female. damaging to the society as a whole Nobody seemed to care until the other half of society started feeling it. Exploiting the group you belong to while sacrificing nothing yourself is as unsustainable as sacrificing for the group while getting nothing in return. That is the lopsided relationship that women and men have with society today. The question that young men like myself are asking is simple…
/r/MensRights12/05/17 04:02 PM
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Bonusfruit answered your question already. You're right. I guess I was hoping for something more than the usual tradcon logic.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 11:14 PM
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He understands our reasons well enough, not so much on our demographics, but he ultimately disagrees with it because he believes that men need to keep running in the rat race and make the right or more sacrifices because...well we don't know why because he hasn't bothered to explain his reasoning.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 10:18 PM
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viewing them with derision and condescension. The reason why I (and many others) do this has nothing to do with the way I actually view them, but it is in response to the way I'm expected to view them and they often view themselves. I expect women to be held equally responsible and accountable for their actions and the very clear message that I'm receiving is that no such thing will ever happen. Instead, we as a society have decided to tolerate women who pick and choose when they wish to be trea…
/r/MensRights11/05/17 09:55 PM
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You don't defeat gynocentrism by embracing it.
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 06:21 AM
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Women have passed on their genes compared to men at a rate of roughly 2:1 (as high as 4:1 early on). The majority of men not breeding throughout history hasn't caused an extinction (quite the opposite in fact). Mgtow by comparison don't even register on the radar so there's no danger. I do think every man can find parts of it to benefit from but recognize that biological urges and evolutionary pressures are too strong for most. Consider the fact that many men get married more than once even afte…
/r/MGTOW11/05/17 05:55 AM
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If that's the case then you're admitting that your previous statement was bullshit. In what way does it make sense for you to offer your input based on the female perspective if you're aware that we're already being overexposed to it? It doesn't, because you're being dishonest about your motives for posting here. A good point or argument stands on it's own merit, regardless of the person it comes from. Why then did you feel the need to draw attention to the fact that you're female? Because you'r…
/r/MGTOW04/12/16 02:02 AM
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All it shows is that a significant number of people lack the wisdom to learn from others' mistakes.
/r/MGTOW03/12/16 10:51 PM
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From what i can tell, they're bitter that their birth control is hormonal and they have to put up with it and so they think it's fair that we should too. Jokes on them though, vasalgel is a far superior product.
/r/MensRights10/11/16 03:21 PM
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Oh, you mean the birth control that contained the same chemicals used by MTF transgendered people? Yeah, who wouldn't want to use that shit /s
/r/MensRights10/11/16 03:12 PM
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If those are games you were already planning to buy then I agree.
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 08:23 AM
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1.5 tflops at FP16 or half-precision. Single precision would be 0.75 tflops. In other words, faster than 360/PS3 but not as fast as Xbone/PS4.
/r/MGTOW31/10/16 04:52 AM
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And it would still somehow be our fault.
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 08:07 PM
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Terence Popp, Tom Leykis, Patrice O'Neal, Bill Burr are all pretty good intros to the mgtow mindset free of the label. PaulProteus also makes easy to understand but well articulated points.
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 07:59 PM
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I'd rather they use cats instead of babies to "fulfill" their empty and pointless lives.
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 07:51 PM
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the shaming tactics used by women towards me doesn't work anymore. Like throwing water balloons at a lake.
/r/MGTOW30/10/16 07:49 PM
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As Colttaine demonstrates in this video, the male role exists to help women achieve self-actualization AND prevents men from achieving their own. You must choose yourself or others. Both are not possible.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 03:04 AM
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You've created a false dilemma. Owning 1 pair of nice/expensive shoes is still more minimalist than owning 10 pairs of cheap ones.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 02:49 AM
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Boosting women doesn't work so they're going to have to further disenfranchise men and the results of that will be far more immediate than 170 years from now.
/r/MGTOW27/10/16 02:42 AM
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Here is Spetsnaz's take on it.
/r/MensRights27/10/16 02:34 AM
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Because there is a good chance that you will allow them to continue to exploit you.
/r/MGTOW25/10/16 02:45 AM
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In short, there has been a blurring of the lines over many years between gaming publishers and gaming media which gamers had long suspected to be the case but didn't really have concrete evidence of. The games media essentially had gone from being independent reviewers to being mouthpieces and what lead up to Gamergate is that they had finally turned hostile to gamers in general for not buying into Sarkeesian's bullshit. Evidence of collusion/undisclosed paid ads/reviews/bribes were made public,…
/r/MGTOW25/10/16 02:40 AM
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It's male mother need which is part biological and part conditioning. As children, men learn that the only way to gain love and acceptance is to work for it and earn it. The reality is that you're never going to get it but evidently that doesn't stop men from trying their way into an early grave.
/r/MGTOW25/10/16 02:12 AM
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Some men feel really uncomfortable when they read this subreddit. The reasons are the same.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 09:50 AM
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how do we mean to address this behavior when self-declared MGTOW guys begin to use empty-of-merit sex-crime accusations as a way to boost their own status as "important and moral" people within MGTOW? That status is based upon how well men treat "their" women. All disgust for virtue signaling aside, it's gynocentric and therefore incompatible with MGTOW. If there is any defining characteristic of what separates a MGTOW from the average man IMO, it's that we no longer care how some random women a…
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 09:45 AM
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Learn to say "No."
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 09:03 AM
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Remember: ex and anti-feminist women exist only in opposition to 3rd wave feminism. The only reason this phenomenon is increasingly occurring is because it's now a better reproductive strategy since men have (mostly) stopped responding to the old one. Don't be fooled.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 09:01 AM
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Correct. Over time they only learn what they don't want.
/r/MGTOW23/10/16 08:51 AM
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TFM's response
/r/MensRights20/10/16 02:35 AM
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Look up the "Motte and Bailey" style of argument.
/r/MensRights20/10/16 02:30 AM
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If you want to understand why men put up with any of the bullshit you described, look into the MGTOW analysis of 'male mother need'. Once you realize that you wont find what you're looking for in a relationship with a woman it becomes more trouble than it's worth to be in one.
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 10:43 AM
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Given what you know at your age and assuming you become highly successful in your career/sport, your disgust for them will only continue to grow when you see how many of them try to leech off of your status. I've experienced this even as an amateur musician. Do not give them the time of day. If/When that day comes remember how hard you worked to get there and how easily it can be undone by some worthless bum with a pretty face.
/r/MGTOW16/10/16 09:25 AM
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I was thinking about this earlier. An outsider stumbles upon this place and the only thing they see due to their conditioning is rage and hatred. They do not see all of the men who have accepted things and as a result lowered the amount of "misogyny" in the world. If they were capable of seeing that, I don't think we'd get nearly the amount of opposition. Not that their opposition matters anyway.
/r/MGTOW12/10/16 01:12 AM
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"I'm helping!" - Ralph Wiggum
/r/MGTOW10/10/16 09:59 PM
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I find all of this very entertaining. Trump is being crucified for "not respecting women" even though he was pointing out that some women will let high status men do whatever they want because they have no self-respect.
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 12:36 PM
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Most men having sex are either paying for the woman to stay or for her to leave. At least with a prostitute the terms are clear and you get what you pay for. Women's mate selection bias works a lot like government bail outs. Think about it. Already wealthy? Well congrats because you're entitled to even more money! Poor? Go fuck yourself! ^<sup>P.S.</sup> ^<sup>I</sup> ^<sup>need</sup> ^<sup>to</sup> ^<sup>borrow</sup> ^<sup>some</sup> ^<sup>money.</sup> #TooBigToFail
/r/MGTOW09/10/16 12:11 PM
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Reasonable and to be expected.
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 04:12 AM
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The traditional male role exists to facilitate the self-actualization of women (through subsidization) at the expense of our own. Rejecting it becomes all too easy once you realize that and you don't have to be MGTOW to figure that out.
/r/MGTOW07/10/16 09:42 AM
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despite considerable upgrades in educational attainment. I guess he didn't get the memo.
/r/MGTOW06/10/16 05:21 AM
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People don't actually love the person they think they're in love with. They fall in love with the idealized version of that person and when that person inevitably fails to live up to that fantasy, shit goes sideways.
/r/MGTOW06/10/16 04:44 AM
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Of course. As children most of us are shielded from the harsh reality of the world and allowed to believe in all kinds of nonsense until we reach a certain age. Because society expects different things of men and women, the obfuscation of the truth not only continues it actively turns into lies and they believe all kinds of bullshit because nobody can correct it. Those who try to correct it are attacked by special interests. This generally lasts for as long as women are potentially useful to soc…
/r/MGTOW24/09/16 06:14 PM
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Blocked! Only the most alpha of alphas get this triggered. Teach me your ways.
/r/MGTOW10/09/16 05:32 AM
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It makes us MGTOW look like we temporarily quit relationships with women until the marriage system can be fixed. Exactly. Every time I hear about MGTOW and the marriage strike in the same sentence, I cringe a little. A strike implies that there's some compromise that can be reached through negotiation. One small problem with that: This isn't a negotiation.
/r/MGTOW10/09/16 04:06 AM
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I just want my girl friend to respect me and love me the way I love her. Never going to happen. The sooner you realize this the sooner you can get over your addiction. Read up on 'male mother need'.
/r/MGTOW09/09/16 06:50 PM
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A MGTOW can choose to get married, at which point he ceases to be going his own way because he has opted to go her way and the state's way. The AVFM clowns are trying to argue that you can still be MGTOW while married which is nonsense if you apply a bit of simple logic.
/r/MGTOW06/09/16 07:39 AM
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Unchecked gynocentrism, hypergamy, solipsism, narcissism are at an all time high with no signs of slowing down. What this means is that young guys with even an ounce of self-respect are getting redpilled whether they like it or not. It's the ones that don't value themselves that are doomed.
/r/MGTOW17/08/16 09:42 PM
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"When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression"
/r/MGTOW17/08/16 08:38 PM
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Did he: *Encourage the killing of people? No *Leak secret government info? No *Insult a foreign member of government? No *Insult the Queen? No *Kill a baby? No *Push over an old woman? No *Murder someone? No *Scam someone? No Then why is he being treated like he did? He made women feel bad, which is the worst crime of all.
/r/MGTOW14/08/16 09:06 PM
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You can't make money in prison, so how would you ever dig yourself out of the hole? You can't. The policies aren't thought through at all. Lets say you're employed but have fallen behind on payments so they put you in jail. You miss days/weeks of work and now you don't have a job or a driver's license so you figure you'll just take the bus to a new job. Except you can't because now you have a record and nobody wants to hire you. So back to prison you go where you owe more and more back payment w…
/r/MGTOW12/08/16 09:04 PM
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Not all men want to be free.
/r/MGTOW12/08/16 09:00 AM
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Accepting gynocentrism as the main problem is difficult for many men because it kills their captain-save-a-hoe fantasies. They choose to believe that some external force [insert ideology] must be responsible for corrupting women so that they can save women from themselves and be rewarded for it. The sad thing is that they aren't even aware that they're still white knighting.
/r/MGTOW07/08/16 07:02 AM
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Goodluck convincing men with that shaming language.
/r/MGTOW03/08/16 07:00 AM
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These boys are going through an awkward period of intense hormonal changes while being expected to maintain complete control over their mind and body at all times who are also under tremendous pressure to not be loser virgins. It's a no-win scenario and there are no second chances. Is it any wonder then that men are refusing to even try anymore?
/r/MGTOW01/08/16 07:45 PM
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Um, he SHOULD be hung. Based on your logic he shouldn't because he was just trying to "do the right thing" and protect himself from the 8 dudes about to wrongfully kick his ass. Intentions are all that matter in court, right? There was no way they could have known the back story. Exactly. So why the fuck did they get involved then? All they saw was a violent situation and they tried to stop it like any reasonable person would. No. A reasonable person would call the police and let them handle it.…
/r/MGTOW29/07/16 01:40 AM
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Sorry, but i just pictured the eye of sauron covered by 1/2 a pair of "problem glasses" on top of a rainbow coloured tower.
/r/MGTOW27/07/16 04:28 PM
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Vancouverites have a well deserved reputation for being smug elitists for something as dumb as having a shared geographic location. If you're from a neighbouring town/city they treat you like you're less than. I remember once I played a show there with my band when i was a kid and one of our roadies started talking to one of the girls there and she said "Ugh, you're from [insert neighboring city]? Why are you even talking to me?" I encountered the same attitudes when i was in university.
/r/MGTOW27/07/16 04:07 PM
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Yep. Seemed to take it well but then tried to get with my friend the same night except he said no as well lol.
/r/MGTOW25/07/16 07:50 PM
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Including but not limited to.
/r/MGTOW25/07/16 05:39 PM
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On the flip side, men have no such expectations so when they actually receive help they express gratitude at the very least and often they will remember it and try to repay you at some point in the future.
/r/MGTOW19/07/16 08:49 PM
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In Vancouver a million dollars will get you a crackhouse, so not a whole lot of choice if you expect to have decent living standards.
/r/MGTOW19/07/16 08:38 PM
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If she adds value to my life that i cannot get elsewhere and without the possibility of becoming a liability. As /u/assumenothing8787 says, such circumstances do not exist.
/r/MGTOW19/07/16 08:33 PM
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Has the whole world become western Europe culturally? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the British empire extended to 85% of the known world at one point.
/r/MGTOW19/07/16 08:27 PM
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Then here is my question, why on earth are all these anti male laws being written? Yes means yes, child support, alimony etc.? Reproductive strategy. Weak men can only compete by bribing women and throwing other men under the bus.
/r/MGTOW19/07/16 08:04 AM
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Pretty much. If they were never going to buy your product then who cares if they're offended? Besides, they'll always find something to be offended by. It's their job. Literally. "Donate to my Patreon pls."
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 07:59 PM
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I've been saying exactly this for years now. Look at the "skeptic" community. Atheism+ turned them into a laughing stock because they didn't care how people arrived at their conclusions, only that they did.
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 05:29 PM
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I want to be rich/famous now Both of those things are concerned with what you are rather than who you are. In any case, rich i understand, but why famous? You know that many well off men "ghost" to avoid attracting attention to themselves, right? Try to understand why they'd do that.
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 12:31 PM
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Pretty much.
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 07:23 AM
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Co-signed. I prefer to use the term 'conditional MGTOW'
/r/MGTOW16/07/16 07:45 AM
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Look up Spetsnaz on youtube. Watch all of his videos and then watch them again.
/r/MGTOW16/07/16 06:54 AM
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While it's true that It did not directly effect other men, it did create a chilling effect which was probably the intended goal.
/r/MGTOW15/07/16 11:11 AM
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The bulk of female comedians rely on turning peoples perceptions of female hygiene on its head by proving just how disgusting they actually are with 3rd grade level jokes about farts and periods. A funny person can find and show the humour in just about anything, including farts and periods, but these women just go for low effort gross out humour.
/r/MGTOW14/07/16 06:06 PM
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Why not ask the men themselves? That would require caring. To most, It's always women that are most effected and that's who they care about. People generally don't really care why men do (or don't do) something, all they care is that whatever is happening (that negatively impacts women) needs to stop.
/r/MGTOW14/07/16 05:32 PM
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The fuss is that men found a way to enjoy life without having to pay the Muffia™ their cut. While they may not come around and break your legs with a baseball bat, the intent to intimidate you into giving them your money is the same.
/r/MGTOW14/07/16 05:25 PM
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Specifically, if the woman in this hypothetical situation was talking shit about me behind my back with my group of friends and ostracizing me from the group for no reason, that would be a good time to confront her one-on-one. AKA 'poisoning the well' which is women's go-to strategy for upward mobility. Anyone who has ever made it onto a woman's shitlist can confirm this, including other women.
/r/MGTOW12/07/16 02:08 AM
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As usual, it's only considered a problem when it negatively impacts women.
/r/MGTOW10/07/16 05:07 AM
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A more accurate comparison is women as AMD (low clockspeed multi-threaded) and men as Intel (high clockspeed single-threaded).
/r/MGTOW08/07/16 03:25 AM
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The final stage is knowing but not caring.
/r/MGTOW07/07/16 12:53 AM
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Why do men choose to do this? If you're a rational thinking male, MGTOW isn't a choice. It's why the majority of my male friends are living the MGTOW lifestyle without even knowing about MGTOW philosophy. What caused them to consider this? Gynocentrism. Is it because they are tired of being rejected by women and this is some kind of adaptation for less suffering? It depends. There are MGTOW and then there are conditional MGTOW. The most prevalent conditional MGTOW are MRA types who are forced to…
/r/MGTOW07/07/16 12:42 AM
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The bad ones are better at camouflage than you think and will all appear to be the best of the best until you're too deep in to escape. Can confirm.
/r/MGTOW01/07/16 07:34 PM
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These studies always get cause and effect backwards. They suggest that hiring women means your business will do better but in reality a business that is already doing well will attract women to work there. Few women will ever start a business or join a startup that may or may not turn out to be successful. They are far too risk averse for that.
/r/MGTOW26/06/16 01:59 AM
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If you can't handle me If the goal is to reduce stress, then having to "handle" you has the opposite effect. It's like taking on a second job without the additional pay. Fuck that shit.
/r/MGTOW26/06/16 01:53 AM
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It might sound fucked up but I just can't bring myself to care anymore with the knowledge that men will see countless stories like this one and then go ahead and do the same thing anyway.
/r/MGTOW25/06/16 10:13 PM
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Also due to hypergamy, we're pretty much all dating lower value women. Or, not dating at all. Excellent point. This is the only necessary counterargument.
/r/MGTOW24/06/16 12:28 AM
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Men have a major image problem that needs to be addressed. Yes we do have an image problem, but trying to address it ultimately works against us. People who bash men will get what they want in the form of appeasement or more, and will turn around and go right on bashing men with greater intensity and fervor. Playing the PR game is what allowed feminism to take hold and flourish in the first place.
/r/MGTOW20/06/16 11:54 PM
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It was Sargon who caused me to start thinking more deeply about the nature of collectivism. And yet it is Sargon that calls you a collectivist for being MGTOW. The "ain't it awful" youtubers actually do more than just that; they poke holes in opposing ideologies. And are completely oblivious to the ones within their own.
/r/MGTOW20/06/16 11:47 PM
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Women (feminist and non) are self-advocates first and foremost. Flying the feminist or anti-feminist banner simply enables them to get exposure, find like-minded individuals and essentially unionize for collective bargaining power. Limiting ones observation of this behaviour to just SJWs is a mistake.
/r/MGTOW19/06/16 06:10 PM
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but in my book, things like not being able to vote, being discouraged from receiving education, and being excluded from non-domestic lines of work, etc. = marginalized. All of those things have responsibilities attached to them, if you're a man that is. For example, being able to vote was/is tied to military service. For education, if you could only afford to send one child to school and the choice is between a son and a daughter you would have sent the son because the expectation was that he wo…
/r/MGTOW15/06/16 11:30 PM
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Every time I hear/read someone around these parts say something like, "Ever since women got the vote, it's all been downhill," I cringe. Have you watched this? It explains quite well why that opinion exists.
/r/MGTOW15/06/16 11:14 PM
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In fact in its most extreme forms a man going his own way doesn't even feature women in the equation. I'll just leave this here. Not centering your life around women is the worst crime imaginable.
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 09:03 PM
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Yes, and both are symptoms of gynocentrism.
/r/MGTOW12/06/16 07:48 AM
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The anger stems from the realization that society has been feeding you lies and more importantly that you believed in them. Once you understand that society doesn't have your best interests in mind, and can spot all of the ways they try to convince you to set aside your self interest for theirs, although it may be annoying it becomes fairly easy to ignore. In my opinion, the only lingering anger or annoyance comes from the frustration that only a handful of people have woken up. Forgiving yourse…
/r/MGTOW05/06/16 07:28 PM
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This is why understanding male-mother need is so important.
/r/MGTOW30/05/16 11:42 PM
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We're a threat to tradcons too.
/r/MGTOW30/05/16 11:40 PM
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I think it depends on how you define 'aware' and 'awareness'. I think women can most certainly detect a "disturbance in the force" without understanding what is happening or how and why it happened.
/r/MGTOW27/05/16 12:08 AM
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AKA the Motte and Bailey style of argumentation.
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 12:58 AM
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Married men do earn more than single men (and women in their thirties) but most of it is spent on their families. MGTOW is also right to say this is an act of self-sacrifice by men. They think this is foolish, I think it is noble. Of course you would. You're not the one being asked to make a sacrifice. In fact, at some point, it says, why earn all this money just ‘to take care of other people?’ Well, why indeed? I guess most men do it because they love their families. No, married men self-sacrif…
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 12:33 AM
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Social media is for whoring yourself, and i don't just mean sexually.
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 07:05 AM
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I prefer to attack ideas and opinions rather than the person holding them because I don't believe that people are inherently stupid, only ignorant. Only willfully ignorant people are not worth engaging with in my opinion. I may be an anomaly here in that I'm not opposed to having a discussion or explaining my views but i don't fault those who are opposed. This subreddit doesn't allow women because of their tendency to infiltrate men's spaces, co-opt them and ultimately destroy it. The negativity…
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 06:57 AM
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INTJ
/r/MGTOW23/05/16 12:14 AM
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Did they refute any of the things Skeptic said? Of course not. I refuted him in his comments section using his own words. Coltaine made a video refuting Skeptic in addition to using Skeptics own words against him as well. Did Skeptic respond to either of us? Of course not, because he's a bitch that only goes after low hanging fruit. Who shows up in the comments instead? ShoeOnHead, to do the only thing she is good at: make snarky uninformed "HURR DURR UR DUM" and "MUH HORSESHOE THEORY" comments …
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 11:52 PM
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AKA Monkey branching.
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 12:14 PM
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That isn't what's happening at all though. Nobody idolizes those men. They are simply useful idiots who don't understand that they are being manipulated by having their base urges used against them. Weak men side with women as a "beta" mating strategy, but they get little more than a pat on the head for it. Despite what women say about masculinity, they still reward "alpha" mating strategy with sex and reproduction at the end of the day. "The red pill" exists to teach men this very truth so that…
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 11:41 AM
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He's being smug. He knows that they will mind.
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 05:08 AM
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the long term effects are already catching up with Canada as a whole. Of course. This is the result of undervaluing men's contributions. Society failed boys and men, and now society will fail as a result. Economics definitively proves that men subsidize women whether it be direct (dating/marriage) or through wealth redistribution(taxes). We've reached a point where a growing number of men are realizing that they don't have to and no longer want to subsidize women. In that sense, the original goa…
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 04:07 AM
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Except you don't have the slightest clue what my own experiences were like to make such a sweeping generalization. Are you seriously suggesting that policies specifically targeting men are in any way equitable to its side effects on women? In what way is my rejection of that absurd notion invalidating your experiences? You may very well be a victim, but to say that you are as much of a victim is patently absurd. I don't need to know your experience to be able to say that. If you are claiming tha…
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 09:39 PM
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I am a victim of backwards feminism in this country as much as any other male No, you are not. You are not being directly targeted by policies specifically designed to harm you. You are feeling the unintended consequences of female supremacy advocacy that most women are OK with. You claiming to be a victim as much as any other male is eerily similar to Hilary Clinton saying that women are the primary victims of war. It is not a valid comparison. Lauren Southern's alternative right and your tradi…
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 09:18 PM
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Correct. Things will only change when women want it to. Those same weak men (who are unfortunately also in charge) will make it happen. What that requires is for women to not be self-interested. Good luck with that.
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 07:33 PM
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but I think you would find people are definitely not the same everywhere. I have somewhat of a unique perspective because i am born and raised Canadian, with American citizenship that has also lived in the UK and spent time in Asia, but my heritage has its roots in the 3rd world. I grew up under traditionalism within a feminist society. People by nature are the same everywhere (natural selection is proof of this), but they may not act the same. The only difference is that more traditional cultur…
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 06:40 PM
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Traditional gender roles are good for society, not for the individual. It solely values women for their reproductive capacity and men for facilitating that. Women and men who "fail" to live up to those societal expectations are viewed as worthless. I am more than a disposable sperm donor turned wallet. You are more than your reproductive ability, are you not? So, it is better to define your own sense of worth rather than conform just for acceptance from others
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 06:24 PM
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This bullshit exists everywhere. What is different about our country is that all of the bullshit is out in the open and people don't even try to hide it. That can be off-putting and I can see how you might see that as problematic from a female perspective, but from a male POV it's a blessing. It allows more men to more easily see the bullet and dodge it.
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 06:13 PM
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Right from the female playbook: When called out, double down. Deflect. Never admit to being wrong. Never apologize.
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 05:42 PM
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Female in-group preference has a pecking order. If you are low status, they will not go out of their way to accommodate you because there is nothing to be gained by them in doing so. Based on what you've said about her it seems like she spent a considerable amount of time schmoozing and building a network of contacts which brings with it a form of status that other women want access to. Women will be friendly to her for it.
/r/MGTOW19/05/16 05:31 PM
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However; when it comes to women,indifference is classified as hatred. Yup. Not loving women is perceived as hating them.
/r/MGTOW15/05/16 10:34 PM
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My response
/r/MGTOW11/05/16 10:30 AM
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Controlling food and shelter, weapons and fuel. Have you tried thinking through to its logical conclusion why controlling those things is even a priority? True alpha only mates once in a while. Mating strategies aren't strictly limited in usage for mating.
/r/MGTOW10/05/16 06:54 AM
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Most. Sex ratio and debt are closely related.
/r/MGTOW04/05/16 02:07 AM
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Just like most feminists people, Laci values women over men.
/r/MGTOW29/04/16 04:07 AM
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Reminder: To a tradcon, self improvement = taking on more responsibility to improve the lives of others. Gee, I wonder why men aren't chomping at the bit to sign up for that awesome deal.
/r/MGTOW28/04/16 09:49 PM
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Realistically, nothing would get me to go back. Hypothetically, women and society's perceptions of men as beasts of burden and the expectations that follow would have to end. The last thing i want is to be responsible for another human being with all of their baggage in tow, which is what is currently being offered to us. No thanks.
/r/MGTOW28/04/16 08:51 PM
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claims that he 'forced her to do it' The rationalization hamster never fails to kick in.
/r/MGTOW26/04/16 08:57 PM
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Oh fuck off. I'm still in my 20s and don't make as much money as you but having grown up poor i know how to save and my hobbies/interests are relatively cheap. What did you expect would happen if you were never to marry and worked/saved consistently and wisely for 10-40 years straight out of school? You'd be relatively rich too. You're salty because other people made the appropriate life choices to afford them a certain lifestyle, and on top of that it's not even a lifestyle that everyone wants.…
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 05:08 PM
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The female mating ritual is a lot like startups in search of investors. Most tech startups are essentially built on hype. They spend all of their time looking the part instead of focusing on producing anything of any real value. Often times that is enough to attract money from investors who have more money than sense. Remember when the dot com bubble burst? There is a very real possibility of that being our future as a species.
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 04:46 PM
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You know what's funny about the accusation of misogyny? Much like racists, an actual misogynist wouldn't care if you called them one. They'd be like "yeah? so what? fuck you idgaf". It's only purpose then is to put people who clearly aren't misogynists on the back foot.
/r/MGTOW14/04/16 06:48 PM
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^ This. My 'anger phase' consisted of mostly disappointment and disgust before it turned into indifference.
/r/MGTOW14/04/16 04:00 PM
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You have more VRAM than system memory lol.
/r/MGTOW14/04/16 12:06 PM
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You don't know what I've experienced.. My culture is still very male dominated and females barely have a say.. From one minority to another who is neither feminist nor MRA: If you think any culture is male dominated, it's clear that you don't understand Gynocentrism, how it works or why it exists. Hint: It has to do with a biological function that you are capable of and i am not. Traditionally speaking (since your culture sounds traditional) males have had an obligation in protecting females see…
/r/MensRights13/04/16 05:40 PM
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Ironically the ship is called Slave.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 08:40 PM
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If you think about it, Luke did nothing but fuck up in the original trilogy but that's what made his character interesting.
/r/MGTOW09/04/16 12:09 PM
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Adding on to what /u/csehszlovakze said, do you not understand that the term Real Man™ is used by gynocentrists to assign men a value based on their utility? The same goes for 'Alpha', 'Beta' etc. This place is about promoting the idea of having your own sense of self-worth. You are doing the exact opposite by adopting their language.
/r/MGTOW05/04/16 04:23 AM
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I would just prefer them to see the big picture over not seeing it. The women who play this victim role and the ones who think that they are entitled to everything are monsters. Shaming men left and right for refusing to marry or commit. It seems to be a majority of women now days. There are a few who don't do this and I most definitely would like to see that number grow. Even if it is for their own agendas in trying to get men to go back to the plantation. So then them being monsters is ok as l…
/r/MGTOW04/04/16 09:29 AM
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It was discussion that lead to it being put to rest. If new ideas come up then those will be criticized and scrutinized before there's any kind of consensus. Regarding ideas such as married mgtow its up to newbies to watch the content / read the posts and articles and decide for themselves. I'm not advocating for any listen and believe bs here, but a lot of issues have been thoroughly hashed out and debating it for the sake of debate is a waste of time IMO.
/r/MGTOW04/04/16 06:09 AM
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I don't need their validation. I just like that they see the big picture. So you care, but you don't care. Got it. I think it speaks volumes for a women to speak out against marriage when it is stacked in her favor. It isn't rare at all. She isn't the only one paying attention. Her claim to fame is that she bothered to ask men while everybody else makes assumptions. I never heard her say to men to "man up". Surely you are capable of reading between the lines. Look at who she's married to and who…
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 10:12 PM
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Understanding your cognitive biases will allow you to become more self-aware and increase your quality of life by understanding why you think the way you think, and why you focus of certain things in your life, but not others. This. 1000x this.
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 12:22 PM
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I think it's refreshing because you have a majority of people, not only women, men too who buy into the bs. Not just marriage but gynocentrism. Who buy into the man bashing and how we need feminism. Nice to hear some women say the same things we talk about. Why do you need the validation? The validity of MGTOW points remains unchanged regardless of whether or not we have outsiders' approval. I bet she actually cares about it. I don't think she is just trying to sell books. I think she would like…
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 11:57 AM
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it is refreshing to hear a women talk about the things we talk about Why? I think men who are smart will not creep back into traditionalism Smart being the key word. Traditionalists have been attempting to co-opt MGTOW (as they successfully did with the MRM) for quite some time now and the new guys that don't know whats what yet are highly susceptible to their influence. I don't see anyone else around here calling it out, so i am. And she is fighting a good fight. I question her motives. Saying …
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 12:09 AM
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I don't think these guys are infiltrators. I think they're unknowingly supporting gynocentrism because they haven't delved into the inner workings of mgtow philosophy.
/r/MGTOW02/04/16 01:53 PM
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No worries. Even the title is a thinly veiled "nawalt" statement. It suggests to me that there are a lot of guys here that still care what women think. Part of MGTOW is about not needing external validation, least of all from women. So you have to ask yourself what the point of this post even is. Have these guys actually taken the red pill or have they simply fooled themselves into believing that they have?
/r/MGTOW02/04/16 11:44 AM
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Traditionalism. I think it has to do with the rising popularity of the alternative right. It's attractive because it's anti-feminist and says some pro-male things but it's all just pandering designed to keep men from "leaving the plantation". The bottom line is that they want men to stay locked in their traditional gender roles. The only differences are that some of them use shaming which is easy to spot, some of them use the old "I'm not like other women" manipulation which is harder for some m…
/r/MGTOW02/04/16 11:31 AM
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It has nothing to do with the truth and everything to do with identity. If you were to attack a belief or worldview that they did not construct an identity around, they would not feel personally threatened by it. You shattering the illusion they have created and maintained means that they have to replace it with something else and the thought of having to do that is frightening.
/r/MGTOW02/04/16 03:19 AM
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One question: Why is this tradcon garbage being posted here?
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 12:17 AM
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This is what I've been thinking for a while as well. It's not a matter of taking the red pill, but ceasing to take the blue pill.
/r/MGTOW26/03/16 08:56 PM
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Honestly, I don't expect anything in return, but I also don't offer women anything but my love. So not only are you low value by women's standards, but by your own as well. Have you learned nothing? Whatever the lot of us end up fighting for, we will be a stronger force for change if we stand together and fight. We're not fighting for anything because this isn't the MRM. We seek to arm ourselves and other men with information so that we may change ourselves for ourselves. We are under no illusio…
/r/MGTOW24/03/16 07:27 PM
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Polygamy.
/r/MGTOW22/03/16 09:04 AM
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Dual GPUs are efficient for power and space but performance isn't all that different. Moving forward it might be the way to go if the new APIs have better scaling, overhead etc. I agree that VR is mostly a toy at this point, which is why I'm not getting one any time soon. I just think that the people that are ordering right now are going to be sorely disappointed. I think vive is also a better solution than oculus not just in terms of hardware but in terms of openness. I hope linux gaming takes …
/r/MGTOW15/03/16 07:25 PM
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Oh i see what you mean now. Once the hardware capability is on par with the demands of VR, it will still take time to be mainstream which is an issue of affordability and portability.
/r/MGTOW13/03/16 11:25 PM
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I hope Nvidia's pascal and AMD's polaris architecture will be a significant enough improvement too. If you have at least 8gb of ram and an i7 that's a 2600k or newer you shouldn't need to upgrade.
/r/MGTOW13/03/16 10:36 PM
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Yep, by my mom in 2014. In 2015 she changed her position when one of my cousins was a victim of paternity fraud. She not only agrees but encourages the MGTOW lifestyle now.
/r/MGTOW13/03/16 07:52 PM
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I took that quote from the comments section which is emblematic of the disagreement between mgtow and avfm.
/r/MGTOW12/03/16 11:15 AM
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No modern man wants to slave for the rest of his live trying to support a family There are plenty of men who want things to go back to the way they were precisely so they can be slaves for the rest of their lives because its the only identity that they have. MGTOW gives you the tools to forge a new identity but why do that when you can sit around blaming feminism.
/r/MGTOW11/03/16 11:13 PM
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Yet women will still complain that guys don't give them attention.
/r/MGTOW11/03/16 07:35 PM
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Yes i didnt watch one video so clearly i didnt watch anything. Fucking idiotic reasoning. Allow me to quote you: cariboo_j: How much Stardusk and Barbarossa have you watched? Cashews4U: I don't really give a fuck about those videos, so none. So which is it? Take a look at the front page: its filled with spiteful dudes patting themselves on the back for not being married or not going to marry. Why are you talking about the front page? Everyone including you has been talking about youtube videos t…
/r/MGTOW09/03/16 02:43 AM
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What he says 13:02 - 13:20 is invalidated by the existence of this video.
/r/MGTOW09/03/16 02:16 AM
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Ironically I much prefer the totally blatant "insanity" of the most Radical Feminists -- because they tend to be far more "honest" in their hatred (most of them openly displaying not just outright hatred of men & boys, but a truly criminal/sociopathic "bent" or mindset in what they advocate doing in regard to implementing that hatred -- and in the end, they nearly always end up openly advocating for massive misanthropy, revealing that the root is a hatred of all humanity, typically {and often qu…
/r/MGTOW08/03/16 04:20 PM
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The deck is stacked against you for example. I decided I want to go out and work by driving trucks across the US, and just load up on money and fuck strippers now and again. The fact that I can just decide to do that, I mean...sounds like it is only stacked against you if you believe it is. I can decide to stick my dick in a toaster. It's only painful if you believe it is. Also, not having power in a relationship? So, lets say I amass this wealth that I am speaking about in a few years time. I d…
/r/MGTOW08/03/16 05:45 AM
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The old patriarchal concept of what is a "man" has men trapped. You're correct that men are trapped, but it's not because of the patriarchy, but rather that women are not allowing men to change. In order for a man to attract and keep a woman, he must be whatever women want him to be since women are the gatekeepers. The conditioning to be protector/provider starts at home with his mother and continues at school with his (most likely female) teachers and the lack of empathy with regard to his fear…
/r/MensRights08/03/16 05:31 AM
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Thanks. What do you think the causes for these issues are?
/r/MensRights08/03/16 04:45 AM
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Page views are tracked and the basis for ad placements.
/r/MGTOW08/03/16 03:47 AM
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my beliefs do include support of men. Please elaborate.
/r/MensRights08/03/16 01:30 AM
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As much as I care about seeing men and boys not have to go through homelessness, suicide and the rest of the issues, I can't seem to muster up the empathy to care anymore. I've checked out and switched off. I care, which is why I'm not having children. They can't suffer if they don't exist.
/r/MGTOW07/03/16 06:09 PM
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Pretty much anyone that shows up to say "MGTOW should..." gets told to GTFO when it isn't in men's best interests.
/r/MGTOW07/03/16 05:47 PM
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He delves deep into the male psyche at a visceral level and forces me to examine my behaviour along with the motivations for said behaviour. His no nonsense delivery of the experiences he recounts are instantly relatable and causes me to relive painful memories and experiences but in revisiting them I'm able to gain new insight, understanding and ultimately peace. There's plenty of thought provoking mgtow content that helps us to understand the world around us but Spetsnaz is one of the few that…
/r/MGTOW06/03/16 04:10 AM
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Kiwi or Aussie. Not sure.
/r/MGTOW05/03/16 01:51 PM
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I saw it in the comments section in a CSMGTOW or Niko Choski video. Dark Knight even came out of retirement to confirm it. If i recall, the 3 of them (who knows how many others) stopped making videos because of MR. He is a hardcore authoritarian and if you disagree with him in the slightest he blocks/bans.
/r/MGTOW04/03/16 01:43 AM
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Knowmadik knows his dick.
/r/MGTOW03/03/16 01:22 AM
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Awkward for parents? What about it being awkward for children to talk to strangers about it. You have one excuse after another. If parents don't care about their child and their well being enough to give them "the talk" then they have no business having kids or being parents.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 05:52 PM
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Blame everyone but the parents.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 05:38 PM
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Societal interest is in reducing poverty, crime and all of the negative outcomes associated. Rewarding women's shitty behaviour is not the way to do that. I'm pro choice but I'm also pro responsibility, and what i see is an abdication of responsibility which necessitates abortion. It's no coincidence that the number of "oops babies" is the exact same % of babies that were being murdered before Roe V Wade.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 05:16 PM
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It is not complicated. You buy things based on what you, not others, can afford. Having seen the way young women shop, it appears to be all about keeping up appearances which requires more money than the basic necessities. I did not say that orphans don't deserve care as i said nothing against adoption. I don't support workhouses either, and even if i did are there any around anymore? No. So what is the use of fixing problems in the past? I am not a male rights activist either as i understand th…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 04:36 PM
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Apparently you don't understand tribalism or the concept of othering. Societies absolutely exist to protect women because women are the egg carriers of the human species. Male disposability is a direct result of that too. Tribes protect their own women and children. The idea that they might go rape and pillage another village has no bearing on that fact. While you were focusing on the women and children being enslaved, you glossed over the fact that they're still alive while the men are not. THA…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 03:48 PM
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See about the spending stuff, we make more expensive choices out of necessity I make choices based on my means, not my desires. I make less money than many of the girls that i went to highschool with yet i always seem to have more disposable income than them. Curious how that works. Plus in two income families women are more likely to do grocery shopping and household items for the whole family. Yes and single people outnumber married people now. Who subsidizes single men for shopping, cooking a…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 03:39 PM
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What dou feel about JANET? A bit long, but watch this series: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 OK ! Seriously speaking What do you mean by MRAs saying that in todays world wealth is redistributed from men to women. I think that it is false in the first place. Women do pay quite a share in the taxes though not as much as men. And women's welfare take a minor portion of the tax budget. Yes women pay a share, but not a fair share. Collectively, women account for ~80% of all spending even though the aver…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 02:26 PM
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I am not talking about any woman in particular. I am describing a type of person and their motives. But since you brought up Janet in your post, i would use her as an example of what I'm talking about. You don't have to be a traditionalist to believe in holding men to the standards of traditionalism. The majority of women pick and choose between progressive and traditional values based on what suits them the best at that moment. All female MRAs aren't being thrown under the bus nor am i advocati…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 01:27 PM
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And why do MRAs sarcastically rebuke female MRAs saying they are just saying that as a manipulative ploy to get back the men. Because there is a section of the MRM that is made up of traditionalists who are every bit as gynocentric as feminists. They are interested in helping men find their way back to the plantation not because it's beneficial to men, but because the rest of society will benefit from it. In other words, these people do not have any altruistic motive for caring about men or men'…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 12:53 PM
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Here is a female MGTOW What does the M in MGTOW stand for?
/r/MensRights02/03/16 12:36 PM
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Attaining traditional manhood requires prioritizing yourself and your needs dead last and its absolutely hilarious that its being sold as a positive.
/r/MGTOW24/02/16 10:38 PM
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"Grown up" in this context means "gave up".
/r/MGTOW24/02/16 10:09 PM
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It's not as simple as "not wanting sex anymore". The biological urge will always be there, particularly prominent in younger men as older men describe that it fades over time. It's mostly about recognizing that the juice is not worth the squeeze. In other words, you shouldn't go out of your way to get it.
/r/MGTOW16/02/16 02:53 PM
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There are two types of people in this thread: Ones who understand that women (feminist or not) are opportunistic too, and those who refuse to acknowledge it thus trying their hardest to convince themselves and everyone else that these responses must have come from feminists.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 09:50 PM
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It is a type of intelligence, but even female monkeys do that.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 11:18 PM
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He just tells it like it is No. As a "seeker of the truth", Joe is willing to listen and learn from his guests until the facts and evidence provided vastly differ from his own views, opinions and experience. Don't believe me? Go watch his podcasts where men's rights, domestic violence, mgtow, gamergate and other related things have been discussed. He always attempts to downplay things that portray men as being disadvantaged and is far more charitable when it comes to women. White knight or not, …
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 06:52 PM
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No worries.
/r/MGTOW05/02/16 07:37 AM
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Look, i don't care for the endless bitching about women either but i recognize that it at least serves a purpose. MGTOW is growing and a lot of newcomers are still in the 'red-pill rage' phase. Sometimes they need to get things off their chest, and this is one of the few places where they're able to do that. You might have noticed that in the comments of these types of posts are full of experienced guys giving advice on how to get over the rage and move on. Shutting down the type of discussion t…
/r/MGTOW04/02/16 03:09 PM
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Every female either changed the subject or blurted out some platitude like, "What an asshole for leaving three kids behind." I've experienced this as well. What they wanted to say was "How dare he burden that poor woman with 3 kids!" The kids are just used as a cover.
/r/MGTOW03/02/16 04:15 PM
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Too lazy to cite sources right now so google at your convenience, but basically the US govt was mobilizing to put men back to work when the recession hit and women's lobbying groups pressured them to give jobs to women instead.
/r/MGTOW03/02/16 03:41 PM
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HeForShe isn't anything new. It's the same gynocentric approach to gender equality that has been in effect for over a century and in spite of what it claims, does nothing to help men. I'm leaving these here if you are interested in understanding why it's a shitty campaign for men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itp0WOGTLx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i_kTWwWah0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2do-DrRYRvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4nGFeM8p98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktUrqfCNAn…
/r/MensRights03/02/16 12:17 AM
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That would be amazing.
/r/MGTOW02/02/16 11:28 PM
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1 reason why it doesn't matter: Gynocentrism
/r/MensRights31/01/16 09:06 PM
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People essentially fall into two schools of thought: What is and what ought to be. It's not wrong to imagine how things might be different, but it's important to accept and live according to how things are. MGTOW is exceptionally good at forcing guys to back down to reality.
/r/MGTOW29/01/16 03:34 PM
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because I have seen more fights between women than men. Especially in high school. Same.
/r/MGTOW29/01/16 02:39 AM
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Video was taken down.
/r/MGTOW27/01/16 10:09 PM
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The logic behind this is no different than #HeForShe.
/r/MGTOW27/01/16 11:39 AM
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There are different methods of categorizing people, primarily biological and ideological. It makes about as much sense to form groups based on race or gender as it would be about height, natural eye or hair colour. These are things that you, i, nor anybody else had any control over. Differentiating based on biology is so base level in our psychology that even other animals do it. Human beings can and should do better and MGTOW understand this. What you're essentially describing is white national…
/r/MGTOW27/01/16 10:41 AM
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To me it's more of a case of men killing their own dreams in the pursuit of something that they perceive to be more worth while (relationship with a woman) because they've been lead to believe that it's something other than what it really is. Sure, women are to blame for creating the illusion but so is everyone else that helps to maintain it. In the end it is men's responsibility to see past the lie.
/r/MGTOW26/01/16 10:36 AM
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i would add razorbladekandy, paulproteus and csmgtow to that list. Edit: Coltaine too.
/r/MGTOW26/01/16 10:17 AM
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Pepakura is some cool shit. I found out about it through the props replica forum.
/r/MGTOW25/01/16 06:13 PM
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Reading Guitar PC Gaming Audio related electronics Movies
/r/MGTOW25/01/16 06:12 PM
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Its always interesting to hear what is going on in other cultures with MGTOW. Absolutely. Upon comparing we sometimes learn why it's silly to divide ourselves.
/r/MGTOW25/01/16 06:06 PM
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a chance to manipulate men. So, like always?
/r/MGTOW24/01/16 09:36 PM
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Recent news in Alberta is tragic, an increase of 30% suicide rate in men due to loss of jobs. How are our politicians going to stop this? Politicians can't do anything even if they wanted to. Sweeping societal changes are only made to help women. It's up to men as individuals to solve their own problems. Due to gynocentrism that's the way it has always been and likely always will be. The fundamental problem is that men are raised to be (and view themselves as) nothing more than human doings and …
/r/MensRights23/01/16 06:08 PM
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I don't get why people don't like Elam. He's a fucking ball buster. Janet's great too. This may be an unpopular opinion, but here goes: They are effective as anti-feminists and that is all. When you look past the anti-feminism, the two of them are advocating for a return to traditional conservatism which is the exact opposite of what modern men need. It's a shame because Paul made the type of content that modern men need to hear when he went under the name 'the happy misogynist' a few years ago.…
/r/MensRights23/01/16 05:19 PM
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Depending on what part of the internet you go to, men have started hating deconstructing women as women seem to be hating us.
/r/MensRights18/01/16 05:29 AM
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In the long term i completely agree. but only due to some cataclysm resulting in mass death and/or technology reduction resulting in having to live a less domesticated/comfortable life. Seems to me that an economic crash would result in the same behaviour. Men don't necessarily have to die for that to happen, we just have to earn and keep our wealth instead of handing it over to women.
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 10:07 PM
1

Been "redpill" my whole life with a brief time in my late teens when i was a thirsty motherfucker but snapped out of it and went back to being myself. Officially found MGTOW at 25.
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 09:31 PM
2

Prohibition never happened /s
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 09:10 PM
3

It's like saying that the Emperor from Star Wars has no power because Vader runs everything.
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 09:08 PM
1

Male scarcity is in her and society's best interests. It is not in ours (obviously).
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 09:00 PM
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Sargon (who identified as MGTOW at some point) is the type of man that barbarossa describes as being "one blowjob away from going back to the plantation." Despite being aware of what we know, he chose to get married and have a kid. Is that really the type of man you should be looking to for growth? Sure he brings some insight when it comes to anti-feminism, but he's not worth listening to beyond that. It's a decent starting point, unfortunately many people (including Sargon) view that as the end…
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 08:54 PM
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Unapologetic manipulation, hypergamy and entitlement.
/r/MGTOW03/01/16 08:40 PM
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Learned helplessness, in other words.
/r/MGTOW29/12/15 06:07 PM
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The ones who don't believe they are slaves make the best slaves.
/r/MensRights28/12/15 05:54 PM
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You are disagreeing with reality. Look up the data for yourself.
/r/MensRights28/12/15 04:21 PM
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There is a clear racial disparity in America however the gender disparity is much greater. Research shows that women of every ethnicity are more protected than men of any ethnicity. While white women are the most protected, and black men the least, the fact is that you are still better off than a white man. I say this as a "man of colour".
/r/MensRights27/12/15 07:14 PM
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The real truth of control, bankroll and support is documented for decades. Feminism had no power on its own. None. Nothing more than a woman bitching she didn't want to do the laundry even though her own laundry is in there too. Women wanted to be lazy, entitled bitches and they would get none of that without an external push. For the last time, I don't disagree with this statement so stop acting like i do. I disagreed with your assertion that feminism was started by some elite group of men, bec…
/r/MGTOW24/12/15 01:08 PM
1

You can still speak about it even when others are attacking it, but if it makes your life easier to not talk about it then that's cool too.
/r/MGTOW19/12/15 12:46 AM
1

I'm seeing a lot more of red pill this, blue pill that on MGTOW these days. I appreciate both streams of thought as ways to live a happier more fulfilled life, there's useful info in both. Care to elaborate?
/r/MGTOW17/12/15 11:15 PM
1

So what can I, one man, do to actually make a difference? /r/mgtow
/r/MensRights17/12/15 10:00 AM
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Competing for her affections means throwing your fellow man under the bus. There is just no way around that. It is the source of white knight/simp/mangina behaviour and we don't need any more of that shit.
/r/MGTOW17/12/15 03:58 AM
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I've been this way since before i started going to school. It's only in the last 2-3 years that i realized that there were others, that it had a name and that there were explanations behind my observations.
/r/MGTOW17/12/15 03:25 AM
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The opposite of a libertarian is an authoritarian and there is no place in MGTOW for that. With that said, i would be considered a classical liberal.
/r/MGTOW15/12/15 01:58 PM
2

Same.
/r/MGTOW09/12/15 06:50 AM
2

Understand male-mother need (yourself), gynocentrism (society) and hypergamy (women) and how they all relate to each other. If you do this correctly, you will no longer want to date or get married. In fact, you will most likely beat yourself up for not realizing it sooner.
/r/MGTOW08/12/15 09:08 PM
2

In the loosest definition, yes. There is a tendency to use 'MGTOW' interchangeably with 'bachelor' and other similar terms which has come about due to the recent explosive growth and lack of understanding of what MGTOW really is. If someone exhibits the behaviour of MGTOW but lacks the understanding behind it, i would hesitate to call them one.
/r/MGTOW08/12/15 08:59 PM
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To have everything at the expense of others.
/r/MGTOW08/12/15 10:01 AM
10

PaulProteus breaks this down in this video: 'It's not as entertaining as it used to be.'
/r/MGTOW08/12/15 03:14 AM
1

Everytime I would say it to someone,guy or girl,they would laugh and say I would change my mind eventually. There is only one response to this: "I accept your challenge."
/r/MGTOW06/12/15 09:04 PM
2

So I'm still inclined to view feminism as the problem. When you "take the redpill" what you discover is that feminism is the political manifestation of female nature. Once you understand that, there is no going back.
/r/MensRights05/12/15 02:40 AM
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Romantic Comedy, referring to fictional movie relationships.
/r/MGTOW05/12/15 12:37 AM
2

men at war (the mra/anti-feminist one) In all likelihood, they selected that title based on it's clickbait-y nature, but there is a war, just not the one they think. As Barbarossa put it, this is a war of attrition. If you want a sneak preview on how the war ends, read about the Battle of Alesia featuring Julius Caesar.
/r/MGTOW02/12/15 06:12 PM
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this is one marriage out of millions. What about all the marriages that last perfectly happily until death? The power of self-delusion in the face of overwhelming evidence never ceases to amaze. A marriage that lasts != a happy one, it means it was a successful one. Please understand the difference. Seeking happiness through a woman or worse, through marriage is one of the worst mistakes you can ever make. It is transactional by nature and hinges upon what you can do for her. You are trading you…
/r/MensRights02/12/15 05:51 PM
1

You already got all the love and affection you are going to get in this lifetime (as a child). Every boy needs to hear this.
/r/MGTOW02/12/15 05:46 AM
1

I, for the life of me, still refuse to believe it completely. This is why things have gotten to this point.
/r/MGTOW01/12/15 09:23 PM
1

Came here to say this.
/r/MGTOW01/12/15 04:15 PM
1

Pay attention to: male frustration, sources of male frustration and responses to male frustration. The one thing we can count on is society's dismissal of men's pain and suffering by telling them that they're to blame. As we've come to understand within MGTOW, this only exacerbates the problem which is going to increase the levels of frustration. This means more suicides, more mass shootings, etc. Although only an extremely small percentage of men ever reach that point, we can gauge male frustra…
/r/MGTOW30/11/15 12:51 AM
2

Are we baneposting now? I'm ok with this.
/r/MGTOW29/11/15 06:30 PM
2

I think csmgtow mentioned that it would air sometime in nov/dec of this year.
/r/MGTOW28/11/15 08:24 PM
1

Life can be lonely without company Make friends. Surely you have hobbies and/or interests? There are always communities focused around those. Although I'm not lacking in friends IRL, the majority of my meaningful friendships have been formed and/or maintained online (through gaming mostly) with people most of whom I've never even met or seen in person. without dating women men (not all men, some men date other men) can feel unfulfilled romantically, sexually and sometimes socially. Romance is bu…
/r/MGTOW28/11/15 12:46 PM
2

ManWomanMyth covered this.
/r/MensRights27/11/15 01:13 PM
3

Control your desires or they will control you!
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 11:14 AM
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MGTOW philosophy was made possible because men from all of those categories started comparing notes for the first time and saw how much overlap there was in our experiences. As a sidenote, this is why i laugh whenever some "alpha" dudebro neo-masculinity ass-hat shows up saying that you have to be from category #2 or you can't be a real MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 10:59 AM
3

TL;DR "Let me explain how men hate women by pointing to examples that show the opposite." by [Insert Feminist Writer]
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 10:31 AM
1

I have heard of "financial abortion", which doesn't seem like a workable idea. There is nothing wrong with the idea. It would be a step in the right direction for "equality" but as we know in reality the term "equality" means taking from men and giving to women, but never the reverse. Women and society will never allow it because they need someone to shift responsibility onto. Society will not even agree to mandatory DNA testing at birth to avoid paternity fraud. As long as women are allowed to …
/r/MGTOW27/11/15 10:06 AM
3

I feel like there is no point in working or developing myself as a person. That's because you've been raised to be and view yourself as a workhorse provider. A utility. We all were. You, like most men, have intuitively understood that who/what you are isn't good enough to make a woman happy. With that knowledge, the majority of men will work tirelessly to acquire and accumulate things that they don't really care about because they allow themselves to be shamed into serving women and their intere…
/r/MGTOW26/11/15 05:50 PM
2

He identifies himself as an anti-feminist, MRA and MGTOW. If you check out his videos, he is clearly an anti-feminist, but i am not certain of the other labels he has chosen to adopt. I'm definitely skeptical that he's MGTOW (as i am of anyone) as it's the trendy new label slapped on every bachelor interchangeably.
/r/MGTOW25/11/15 01:19 PM
3

I prefer counterarguments to just downvoting (which appears to be happening to you). Downvotes communicate that you're wrong, but offers no explanation as to what specifically or why.
/r/MGTOW24/11/15 11:32 PM
1

I'm well aware of what you're saying. I know things will never be as they should which is why i avoid the situation entirely.
/r/MGTOW24/11/15 09:45 PM
3

We must go deeper...
/r/MGTOW24/11/15 08:26 PM
1

No. We're quick to blame men for "choosing poorly" because we recognize that a man has agency, but we make excuses for women's poor choices and look for the nearest man to pin it on. Your mother, like many women, chose poorly.
/r/MGTOW24/11/15 10:45 AM
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Through advances in science and technology, men have been slowly but surely making themselves redundant and obsolete. Women's time will come with the artificial womb, and we're all likely done for once an artificial intelligence superior to our own emerges.
/r/MGTOW24/11/15 12:49 AM
2

1.Understand 'Male-Mother need' and control the urge from it. Without doing that, you're just a bachelor. 2.Do whatever the fuck you want. 3.? 4.Profit. Hows that for useful?
/r/MGTOW22/11/15 09:17 PM
5

That's what separates us from the rest of the manosphere.
/r/MGTOW21/11/15 05:59 AM
5

Captain Save-a-hoe about to get what he deserves.
/r/MGTOW21/11/15 05:52 AM
2

What this, and every addressing of this issue fails to mention (which is of the utmost necessity TO mention) is that the mate selection of females plays a central role in the behaviour of males But how could they blame men if they acknowledged that?
/r/MensRights19/11/15 04:44 PM
1

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 08:20 AM
1

I am serious. If men stop marrying and/or becoming fathers, all of those problems go away. I'm doing my part and it sounds like you are too. It's a matter of educating the rest now. If you look at the explosive growth of MGTOW, it seems to be working.
/r/MensRights19/11/15 04:17 AM
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I didn't say I wanted to be with one- I haven't dated since 2006. And it's not because I'm a fat, short, unemployed, ugly loser. I'm 6'1, slender, have a good career and have been told I'm attractive most of my life- getting a little older though, but nonetheless I have a lot to lose which is why I'm not wanting to take a risk. Even if I was broke and homeless, I still wouldn't want to deal with any women because I wouldn't want to be in prison over a false accusation. Which is where you're goin…
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:16 AM
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So you take away the ability to use a gun, what's stopping them from using a knife? Point being, you aren't addressing the core issue which is intent to do harm.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:09 AM
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The analogy works just fine. The family court system is a tool, and you should blame the person using the tool, not the tool itself. By not fully blaming the person responsible, you are perpetuating the pussy pass by holding women less accountable. How very gynocentric of you. For arguments sake, suppose you did eliminate the system. Having seen what women are capable of with power, why then would you ever want to be with one with the knowledge that they want to destroy you? Food for thought.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 05:43 PM
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When was the last time a gun was sent to jail for a shooting? How about enablers?
/r/MensRights17/11/15 10:48 AM
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Polygamy isn't about cheating with a woman that is more attractive, it's about experiencing variety. The clue is in the first 4 letters of the term. When we talk about opportunity, what we're really talking about are harems. The average woman has a harem of men that she can choose from that aren't just willing, but waiting to have sex with her while the average man has nothing of equivalence. It takes a man of elite status to have the same opportunity. Far from the only explanation, but to sugge…
/r/MGTOW17/11/15 09:06 AM
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Will you be making a video on this article, CS?
/r/MensRights17/11/15 08:07 AM
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It's because of the EVIL LEGAL system and the way it works, there expressly for women to fuck over men. Why blame the gun instead of the person firing it?
/r/MensRights17/11/15 08:02 AM
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95% of a set of 100 elite top jobs are held by men. Therefore 95% of all men must hold elite top jobs That twisted logic works when you erase non-elite men from the picture. The end result is that feminists are striving to have all women equal to elite-men.
/r/MGTOW17/11/15 04:52 AM
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When it comes to reproduction nature wants it to feel good in the moment then pay for it later. No thank you. Yep. It really irks me when people say that human beings have a natural drive to reproduce, when in reality it's an urge to orgasm with procreation being a natural consequence of that.
/r/MGTOW16/11/15 02:00 PM
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The whole thing is premised on an unsustainable model which requires infinite growth. We know this will fail because population and men's earnings (which is the primary source of women's spending) are both in decline. I don't give two shits if Starbucks crashes and burns, it makes no difference to me. The worst that could happen is that people would be forced to return to living within their means instead of a life of excess while drowning in debt trying to "keep up with the Jonses".
/r/MGTOW15/11/15 07:40 PM
2

we work/pay/create/maintain and it all goes to the so-called 'alpha elite'. So stop.
/r/MGTOW15/11/15 05:24 AM
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/r/pussypass
/r/MGTOW15/11/15 05:20 AM
2

Why assume that being single is a problem that needs to be addressed? Because it is a problem...for society. Every man that remains single is one less man that can be tricked into being a wage slave for the rest of his life.
/r/MGTOW15/11/15 05:13 AM
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People's opinions will only bother you if you care for their approval. Stop caring. Because fucking honestly, males hold the vast vast majority of power positions, we are the highest paid almost anywhere in the world and essentially we got more privileges than them. You are a parroting a feminist argument. The majority of people in positions of power may be male but the majority of males have no such power and even those that do, do not use it to benefit men.
/r/MGTOW15/11/15 04:46 AM
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As a fellow anti-natalist, i agree.
/r/MGTOW14/11/15 02:29 AM
1

it's driven by insane political correctness And who is pushing it? Why are they pushing it? I just don't believe making sweeping judgement based on a few bad experiences justified. It's normal for you to believe this in the beginning.
/r/MGTOW12/11/15 01:12 AM
2

This is why feminism is so fucking rampant cause most men are complacent and just take it. Exactly.
/r/MGTOW12/11/15 01:09 AM
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No, because i don't want to subject another human being to the shit we have to deal with. If only my parents had considered that.
/r/MGTOW11/11/15 12:06 AM
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It's about paying attention to what's going on around you. We are constantly bombarded with redpill truths, most men just choose to ignore it. There is a clear difference between what we're told and what we observe. That should be enough for any man to take pause and investigate as to why that is. Apart from that, all you can do is wait until disaster strikes and they're desperately looking for answers on what happened and what went wrong. That's what it takes to get a man's attention unfortunat…
/r/MGTOW10/11/15 01:45 AM
1

The fact that you (assuming you're a man) or any other man is still recommending it all, regardless of how many caveats you slap on it, signals the problem. This sub used to be about educating men by exposing female nature, that regardless of the circumstances they were ultimately signing up to be used and discarded. Over the last 2 years, I've seen that replaced with NAWALT arguments from people who refuse to see that feminism isn't the problem, but female nature itself is. This is not exactly …
/r/MensRights09/11/15 10:47 PM
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These problems can be mitigated if expectations are correctly set in the courtship phase. No they can't because there isn't a damn thing you can do when she changes her mind. As to your question, part of the reason why i stopped posting here is because the movement is overrun IMO with tradcons. If you're going to fight one form of gynocentrism (feminism), but embrace another (traditionalism), then what's the fucking point?
/r/MensRights09/11/15 11:04 AM
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My mom asked me about it last year, so i explained it to her. She said something about me being selfish and only caring about my money blah blah blah. She must have kept what i said in the back of her mind, because just recently she told me about one of my cousins, how he fucked up and knocked up some chick and now his life is ruined. She said she was glad that i never did anything like that and understands where I'm coming from now. So i asked her why she reacted the way she did a year ago. She…
/r/MGTOW09/11/15 06:06 AM
2

As long as you're aware of the risks and aren't perpetuating gynocentrism, you can do whatever you want as a MGTOW. While all MGTOW consider marriage to be gynocentric, not all of them agree on whether or not dating is.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 01:35 AM
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The whole debacle has been nothing short of hilarious. The takeaway is that for an SJW there are no such thing as bad tactics, only bad targets. This is why they're able to do the heinous things that they do without remorse, but as soon as the tables are turned on them they cry the loudest.
/r/MGTOW07/11/15 11:13 PM
1

"Cheaper to keep her." Paul Proteus explains the concept of 'buy-in/buy-out'
/r/MGTOW06/11/15 12:30 PM
1

Yes, but men must actually do something. The problem here is that you're still viewing yourself and other men as a utilities. Men going their own way are the only ones doing something apart from talking. Refusing to fund the system that gets used to fuck us over is doing something. For decades now, the MRM's strategy has been to beg and plead with society, which ultimately takes its queues from women, to respect men's rights. What actual positive changes have come about as a result? The question…
/r/MensRights04/11/15 01:52 AM
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I'm curious as to why MGTOW's want to go against biology Because women demanded (and continue to demand) legislation that turned our biology against us.
/r/MGTOW03/11/15 08:21 PM
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"A young man drops out of high school, he can't find work so he joins the military. He goes and he fights overseas, comes back home with PTSD only to find that his wife has left him. He has lost his house and he's in jail for child support. When he finally does get out of jail, he is so hurt and disappointed and in so much pain that he puts a bullet in his head. The question is: What colour is he?"
/r/MensRights03/11/15 07:23 AM
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Unless you're willing to address the cause of suffering, suicide prevention although well intentioned is an inadvertent act of cruelty as it only prolongs suffering.
/r/MensRights01/11/15 09:32 PM
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OP, you are hilarious. You're essentially salty that nobody here will hold your hand when in reality you should be the one trying to catch up to speed (as a noob) so you're able to have an actual discussion. This isn't /r/eli5 The reason why we don't discuss men's struggles more is because it's already well understood and consensus has been reached amongst us. This is true of the entire manosphere. The discussion moved on years ago branching off into the MRM, MGTOW, and PUA communities who all h…
/r/MGTOW29/10/15 10:13 PM
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Unrelated thought: I wonder if you intend to bring the girl back to the west or assimilate into her culture. Bringing such a wife back is often a failed strategy; in the Army after being stationed in Korea I saw several guys hookup with Filipino girls, marry them, and bring them to the U.S. To similar effect as if they had married a westerner. It took a slight bit longer for the girl to get secure citizenship, and to become fully westernized, but it happened like clockwork none-the-less. So watc…
/r/MGTOW28/10/15 07:41 PM
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I've been on redpill for awhile now, and they're hostile towards things I'd like to talk about. MGTOW forums specifically say I'm not allowed to speak there -- or even read the forums at all(I still do). That's pretty funny. MGTOWs, MRAs, Red Pill Men, etc. have a lot of traction these days, and people would like to engage with them. But they are in little bubbles that disconnect them from people who aren't MRAs, MGTOW, red pill, etc. MRAs will engage. Actually, MRAs and MGTOWs barely even get a…
/r/MGTOW28/10/15 05:03 AM
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"You have a duty to ___!" - Society No.
/r/MGTOW27/10/15 05:16 PM
1

It's not just how people feel here. There is no symmetry to begin with when it comes to relationships period.
/r/MGTOW27/10/15 04:28 PM
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I wonder if any consideration, or recognition, was ever given for the possibility that the right woman may not exist for many guys. This is where you're mistaken. There is no such thing. I think, in previous generations, maybe a lot of guys just tried to find someone they could live with, even if they maybe weren't going to be with the woman of their dreams. It's actually the other way around. A woman would pair up with an ok guy who they could live with because her survival depended upon it. No…
/r/MGTOW27/10/15 04:25 PM
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/r/pussypass
/r/MGTOW27/10/15 01:41 AM
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Disregard. He's one of those neo-masculinity fools.
/r/MGTOW27/10/15 01:30 AM
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So far this post is nothing more than some guy saying "people not recognizing my male privilege hurts my feelings because I'm emotionally insecure." OP is poking fun at society by saying that it fails to recognize female privilege, or worse, it spins them as male privilege. He's pointing out that society perpetuates female hypoagency and male hyperagency. The fact that you believe that this is about feelings and emotions is pure projection on your part. I know that because you posted about this …
/r/MGTOW26/10/15 07:35 PM
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Someone said something unflattering about women, quick call the thought police!
/r/MGTOW26/10/15 04:36 PM
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Last relationship was over 10 years ago. I've been what you'd call a mgtow monk since then.
/r/MGTOW25/10/15 07:39 PM
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you can't keep running from your thoughts. So learn to manage them. Learn to live with yourself. Well said. Good post.
/r/MGTOW23/10/15 05:50 PM
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UniteWomen.Org state director Jan Lella said, “This bill, like its predecessors, will economically devastate women in traditional marriages who are divorced.”<sup>1</sup> She said the bill “is hostile toward women”<sup>2</sup> because in addition to dramatically reducing alimony awards, it will place the burden of litigating for need on the spouse who has little to no income.<sup>3</sup> “Like those sponsored before it, SB 250 presents a one-sided and indefensible refuge for men seeking to punis…
/r/MGTOW23/10/15 03:43 PM
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First of all, what is "pretty much a MGTOW"? You either are, or you aren't. Second, you are under the assumption that there are NAWALTS and that it matters for some reason. It does not. Third, We're not the ones who expect women to go back to the kitchen, or fetch us things. That would be the tradcons. Take it up with them. I think its amusing that you believe that women are free and independent because in reality they're more dependent now than ever before. All they've done is replace men with …
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 02:26 PM
2

He will now have to work himself to death to provide for his stay-at-home parasite Yup...and there is nothing he can do about it.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 05:17 AM
1

Chris Rock described it in all but name.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 12:19 AM
1

The funny thing is the amount of women I've heard in the last couple of years in my social circles (late 20s) complaining about having to work because they would much rather be a stay at home "do nothing bitch" to quote Rousey. The whole idea was for women to have the option to work but it backfired. Now a lot of them are stuck with the only choice men have ever had (work) and they're fucking miserable.
/r/MGTOW22/10/15 12:16 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oGMbAIcXCQ
/r/MGTOW21/10/15 06:59 PM
1

But I am naturally a skeptic. This is what saved me too.
/r/MGTOW20/10/15 10:09 PM
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:)
/r/MGTOW20/10/15 08:41 PM
2

I only just found out about mgtow a few days ago . I can't get behind the view on women and relationships here. To be honest, this isn't the best place to learn why those views exist. Check out the popular youtube content producers and you'll soon understand.
/r/MGTOW20/10/15 01:26 AM
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Did we watch the same video? She's no unicorn. Both of them are fans of Julie "Put men in concentration camps" Bindel.
/r/MGTOW20/10/15 12:02 AM
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I fucking love Paul Proteus. It is the kind of guy that I would probably want to hang around drinking and playing videogames. Again, his opinions hits really close to home with me, but I also see him bothering to talk about woman in a pretty good amount. True, but he doesn't just piss and moan. Instead, he does a fantastic job at breaking down and explaining all of the ways that people (women especially) will shame you for being a mgtow. The seal and the toolbox example is one of my favourites.
/r/MGTOW17/10/15 08:27 AM
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That's because few know how to lead, and opt for bossing instead without knowing the difference.
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 03:38 PM
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many of us have sized up the thing and realized that any changes we could get are apt to be insignificant, and worse, revocable once we're back on the plantation. And require the approval of women. This is why the MRM will fall short on their stated goals.
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 05:08 AM
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It's not that they aren't capable, it's that they're not willing. Why would they be? They have no incentive to because they get their needs met without having to. The beauty of MGTOW is that in addition to improving our lives, it also calls out women on their bluff. For decades we've been hearing how women are just as capable or even better than men. We're stepping aside and saying 'Great. Now, quit your yapping, and prove it' and what we're seeing (as predicted) is that they would rather compla…
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 04:44 AM
1

All women.
/r/MGTOW15/10/15 04:12 AM
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I like that it's a female director. If it was a man, 50%+ of the population would shut down immediately. Which perfectly demonstrates gynocentrism, yet we hear women in the extended trailer saying that we undoubtedly live in a patriarchy and it's not even open for debate. Maybe TRP would be easier for feminists to swallow if we would let go of tradcon politics. I'm not a fan of tradcons either, but it wouldn't make a difference. The reason why people oppose TRP is because it shows us uncomfortab…
/r/MGTOW13/10/15 05:01 AM
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This documentary is about a woman having doubts regarding her allegiance to the gynocracy and in the face of overwhelming evidence against her beliefs, is looking for any reason to stay. It's akin to a theist losing faith, but then praying "Please god, if you exist then show me a sign. Any sign at all."
/r/MGTOW13/10/15 02:57 AM
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I think he takes it too far with no marriage and no dating. What's your thought? He doesn't take it far enough.
/r/MGTOW11/10/15 01:50 AM
1

It depends on the nature of the relationship. Imagine it's your dream to drive across the country and see all the sights. So you're driving along and you notice a hitchhiker on the side of the road with a sign reading that she's going to the same destination as you. So you decide to pick her up and you carry on the way you were. Somewhere down the road she decides she doesn't want to go to the same place anymore and tries to get you to change course to go somewhere else. You can either listen to…
/r/MGTOW08/10/15 09:23 AM
2

In this context, the proper question to ask is "Healthy for whom?"
/r/MGTOW06/10/15 12:50 AM
3

Spetsnaz Barbarossa Razor Blade Kandy Turd Flinging Monkey Dark Knight Paul Proteus Stardusk/Thinking Ape CSMGTOW Messenger Rising Ask Lui Marco Edmond Dantes There were a few others but they've sadly made their videos private.
/r/MGTOW04/10/15 11:35 PM
1

I remember this one, it's a good video.
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 10:12 PM
2

Is it better to be briefly remembered as a hero for a couple of weeks or be there to raise your son? What would his son have thought if he had died? Would his son have cared if he were a hero if he were dead? I know what I think and it's why I got out of the military: When you choose to become a family man, your family has to come number one above all else. You can no longer have the luxury of doing risky things that may screw your family over. In other words, even if he didn't choose to be put …
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 10:03 PM
3

Understanding his motivations isn't difficult because its hardly unique. I'm not judging him or what he did. My problem is with everyone who glorifies male disposability. I view the usage of the term 'Hero' in this context to be perpetuating that.
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 03:29 AM
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You don't need to derail because I would also extend the argument to cops, soldiers and rescue workers. I make no exceptions when talking about loss of male life. I don't believe they would choose to do those things if they weren't socialized to value their lives as less than.
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 02:27 AM
3

I'm not here to address society though, I'm only addressing this subreddit and the top voted comment at the moment is claiming that he is undoubtedly a hero, with no rationale or explanation. It's just a given. Society expects us to do all sorts of things, and as MGTOW we've refused to. Why should this be any different? You seem alright from your well thought out response, but I expect more from a group of guys who claim to have rejected blue pill thinking. Glorifying male disposability makes se…
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 02:22 AM
1

a young female teacher blocked off access to her kids and got killed for it. So women will protect children. I remember this incident. I do not think it's representative of the norm. Do you think the same woman would have stood in the doorway to protect her classroom full of men if she was teaching a professional course on whatever?? Of course not.
/r/MGTOW03/10/15 01:53 AM
6

Shouldn't you be out circle jerking your neo-masculinity bum buddies Matt Forney, Davis Aurini and Roosh V?
/r/MGTOW02/10/15 04:59 AM
5

TL;DR -Upset that OP got over her too quickly when all her other ex's couldn't. -Claims to not be like the feminists that OP "hates", goes on to call him a misogynistic privileged white male and talks about rape culture. -Upset with OP for allegedly minimizing her rape, goes onto minimize male victims of rape. -shaming tactics galore
/r/MGTOW02/10/15 04:54 AM
4

I don't really talk about it except with people who show signs of redpill thinking already. For example, one of my friends was expressing discontentment from his LTR so i explained MGTOW and he couldn't believe how i could be this way, but simultaneously had no logical/rational counterarguments. In the end, i got him to realize that he's only with his current girlfriend for easy access to sex. He admitted himself that it would be too much work to find a new one, and being single would be too lon…
/r/MGTOW01/10/15 11:06 PM
1

drinking apple juice hahaha
/r/MGTOW01/10/15 10:37 PM
1

Everyone goes to the island to retire. It's basically Canada's Florida lol.
/r/MGTOW01/10/15 06:01 AM
1

Can some one please explain me why people have an obsession over sports. Two reasons: You use it to study and learn from the best to try to join their ranks. This goes beyond sports and the basis of why we make anyone our heroes. You wish you could join their ranks but aren't able or willing to in which case it's just simple wish fulfillment. That's without getting into tribalism or any other innate social phenomena.
/r/MGTOW30/09/15 11:49 PM
1

I've read anecdotes from lifters that 2 weeks is the magic number. Any longer doesn't produce better results and doing it more frequently produces negative results.
/r/MGTOW30/09/15 10:07 PM
4

Hell, maybe I'll even go to Mars! This is the part of us that gets lost when we "grow up". I always get a kick out of reading those articles from 40something+ year old hags who try to shame guys like us by saying that we're stuck in perpetual adolescence as if it's a bad thing.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 07:14 PM
3

I tried explaining exactly this to an acquaintance of mine about a year ago. She couldn't wrap her head around it.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 07:10 PM
3

I'm guessing it means being against having children. That's correct but it's important to understand the motivation behind that stance. Everybody in here is talking about their own freedom or avoiding their own suffering, but the main argument as i understand it is to spare children from a lifetime of suffering by bringing them into the world. People don't think about whether or not that child wants to exist, they selfishly choose to have a child because it's what they want.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 06:52 PM
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Anti-natalism lends itself to MGTOW philosophy, but doesn't necessarily work in reverse. I don't think they're in the same basket, but i happen to subscribe to both POV.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 06:45 PM
1

More than likely, but it only works in our favour.
/r/MGTOW26/09/15 06:01 AM
2

Hanging on to victimhood is destructive and does nothing for inner peace. If your goal is to destroy those who've wronged you, then yes it can be an incredible motivation. Where does that leave you in the end? Accepting what happened to you and taking responsibility, partial or full, allows you to learn and move on with your life. This is what men do.
/r/MGTOW25/09/15 01:03 AM
1

Say when.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 11:05 PM
2

Good. How many times must men be shown this exact scenario before they get the picture? At this point, any man who reads something like this and still decides to go down that path deserves everything that happens to him.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 10:51 PM
7

And this is why we teach guys about monkeybranching.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 07:13 PM
0

Normally I'd say forget it, but at your age you should go for it and here is why: You need to experience what it's like when it ends because the next time you "fall in love" you're going to remember that feeling and snap out of it.
/r/MGTOW24/09/15 12:48 PM
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My whole life has been spent observing people and gradually rejecting blue pill thinking. Before i was old enough to go to school i already ruled out marriage and traditionalism. Before i was old enough to go to highschool i had already rejected god and religion. During this time i focused all of my free time improving myself by getting better at sports, videogames, guitar and tinkering with computers. Any relationships i had were initiated by girls and didn't tend to last very long because of h…
/r/MGTOW22/09/15 09:59 PM
1

If we agree that dating / relationships are off the table for obvious reasons, the answer to your question depends on whether or not you view hook-ups and prostitutes as acceptable risks. I do not.
/r/MGTOW14/09/15 02:01 AM
2

I felt as if I was a ghost walking among the living. I know you view this as a negative, but in the MGTOW community "ghosting" is a desirable thing. It's something you may want to look into if you want a different perspective.
/r/MensRights26/10/14 09:22 AM
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Being called lazy is preferable to being called evil.
/r/MensRights25/10/14 06:08 AM
1

Interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
/r/MensRights06/10/14 06:14 AM
9

What angered me the most were the talking heads on TV, and how one of them acted like she did nothing wrong towards the end.
/r/MensRights05/10/14 08:52 AM
3

There's no feminist solution for male suicide or homelessness. Some of them have a final solution.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 04:21 AM
15

So we've finally arrived at 1 in 2 women. 1 in 1 in 2015? 2 in 1 in 2016? How ridiculous do these claims have to be before the general public goes "hey, wait a minute...?"
/r/MensRights12/09/14 02:57 AM
1

Wait, so if you go online and don't broadcast your race/gender, trolls will have nothing to use against you? Shocking.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 11:39 PM
6

You forgot to leave a link to your patreon account.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 11:26 PM
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as well as a few saying women shouldn't sleep around If the discussion was centered around how few women women there are that are worthy of being good mothers, then i could see the MGTOW point of view in that. Otherwise, you're probably right that they were being prudes. I'm no expert but there seems to be valid biological reasons why you wouldn't want someone who sleeps around to be the mother of your child. Repeatedly pair bonding/breaking can lead to women being emotionally detached not just …
/r/MensRights01/09/14 08:46 PM
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MGTOW philosophy can be be perceived as anti-woman because rejecting women and relationships is one of the natural conclusions of becoming "liberated". It teaches men to no longer seek their identity and self worth from the external, least of all from women. Stardusk for example claims he gets nothing from being in a relationship. They're simply a waste of time for him. Barbarossa and others don't really have a problem with them but advise you to proceed with caution and never allow the relation…
/r/MensRights01/09/14 04:00 PM
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What you perceive to be anti-woman, is anti-gynocentrism. MGTOWs are skeptical. That's all there is to it. While there may be women like your grandmother, they have every incentive to be like your mother. The system as it exists encourages it. Many face no repercussions and some are even rewarded for behaving that way. With that knowledge, why should we gamble with our lives and place faith in the honour system in the hopes that we get someone who is like your grandmother (which is a rarity on i…
/r/MensRights01/09/14 02:59 PM
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For years the media has been shitting on gamer/nerd culture for being 'sexist', 'misogynist' and more recently comparing us to terrorists. Make no mistake, this is a concerted effort to do two things: They're counting on receiving backlash that they can then use to say that we really are all of those things that they've been calling us this whole time. The majority of gamers who are aware of these happenings know exactly whats going on and are not hesitating to call them out on it. Silence the p…
/r/MensRights30/08/14 09:55 PM
4

She stands to benefit by keeping women out of the industry. If women with actual talent came in, she wouldn't be a special snowflake anymore.
/r/MensRights29/08/14 07:48 AM
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Shes making women looking to get into games industry look bad. Which is why it's no surprise that many of them are condemning her actions when so many are rising up to blindly defend her.
/r/MensRights29/08/14 04:53 AM
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Trickle down equality.
/r/MensRights26/08/14 01:08 AM
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"Methodius_, there's nothing we can do for you because you're part of the patriarchy. Oh, and before you go can you cry into this tube? We're throwing a cocktail party later and serving male tears. kthxbai "
/r/MensRights22/08/14 10:36 PM
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So what you're saying is that women are children who need coddling. Who's the misogynist again? We are trying to change that (look at how engineering colleges now have women in engineering groups), but you guys oppose that too. Yeah we oppose infantilizing women. Aren't we just the worst?
/r/MensRights22/08/14 10:19 PM
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It's about as accurate as saying that a bike is just a seat on wheels. By that logic, a car is also a bike. It's an unnecessary oversimplification by removing relevant information thereby making the observation incomplete.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 09:41 PM
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My cousin's answer: "Female, because then i would still have my genitals intact"
/r/MensRights21/08/14 01:18 AM
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Ask Norah Vincent.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 12:23 AM
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In an attempt to stay relevant, feminists manufacture problems that only feminists can solve, while telling you that the solution is more feminism. This picture captures that mentality perfectly.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 01:15 AM
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Every job I've worked at has had a requirement of being able to lift a certain amount of weight (ladders, toolboxes, paint, etc. Nothing too heavy) in order to get hired. Even though we had women working in the same positions as us, they were never sent to do these non-office jobs. Getting equal pay, for less work. So you have to ask yourself, how were they able to get hired if they were incapable of lifting a small amount of weight OR how were they able to keep their jobs if they were neglectin…
/r/MensRights20/08/14 01:06 AM
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Unless I'm mistaken... substantive equality = equality of outcome. If the author of this article is saying that this is what feminism is about today, then the only people who need feminism are the ones that feel they're entitled to things they didn't earn.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 12:50 AM
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I kind of feel like they're setting a lot of these students up for failure later. Which can be blamed on Patriarchy. It's the ultimate scapegoat.
/r/MensRights18/08/14 10:06 PM
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Women are not paid less than men. Women earn less than men. There are reasons for this, none of which have been proven to be the result of gender discrimination. Google 'consad report' and read it. I highly doubt you will change her mind so just cut your losses and move on.
/r/MensRights17/08/14 07:04 PM
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paranoia and toxic thinking. But how are those traits feminist at all? I just realized how hilarious this question is.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 02:16 AM
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Tradcons do largely believe in traditional gender roles, but they're not responsible for male demonization and the 'stranger danger' panic in the 1980s. What went on in OP's story has to do with male demonization which is rooted in the anti-male half of feminism. Due to decades of fear mongering, It's become so common place, that those who don't even identify as feminists still believe it. Don't take my word for it. Investigate for yourself.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 02:14 AM
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You seem to believe that feminism and traditionalism are opposing ideals. You'd be wrong. They only differ in the type of restrictions that are placed on women.
/r/MensRights14/08/14 01:59 AM
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"I think the lady had some mental issues. Normal people just don't do this. I don't think this particular incident has anything to do with misguided feminism."
/r/MensRights14/08/14 12:53 AM
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Just keep spinning that hamster wheel. You'll feel better in no time!
/r/MensRights12/08/14 09:46 AM
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He wants those girls in the porn more than me because they have the perfect body and the perfect face.compared to them Im nothing I know he would leave me for them in a heart beat.thats what hurts.it hurts so much that he received sexual pleasure from someone that isnt me. So you're paranoid and delusional. Why any guy would want to leave you is beyond me. /s I feel like theres no point in relationships if porn is okay. Then do yourself and everyone else a favour and don't enter any more relatio…
/r/MensRights12/08/14 06:39 AM
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i feel like i'm not pretty enough You need to do some self reflection and find out why that is. Your boyfriend watching porn is not the cause, it's just a "trigger"(ugh i hate saying that word). There must be some part of your up-bringing that is linked to your low self esteem and controlling nature. You replied to another person about self worth, and the thing is you have none at the moment. You are basing your worth on the external; whether or not other people view you as pretty. This is unhea…
/r/MensRights12/08/14 04:36 AM
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You are trying to control the actions of others based your own insecurities. You decide if that makes you a bad person or not. What he's doing may be inconsiderate to your issues, but that's all they are. Your issues. Only you can fix your issues. I don't consider watching porn to be cheating any more than a girl who talks about her emotional problems to another guy. Or how about women who read their fantasy, like 50 shades, instead of watching it? Is that cheating too? Watching porn and masturb…
/r/MensRights12/08/14 02:53 AM
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im just looking for someone to convince me that watching porn in a relationship isn't cheating No you're not. You've shielded yourself from having to hear any criticism by implying that anybody who disagrees with you is a dick. You're looking for validation, don't kid yourself.
/r/MensRights12/08/14 02:33 AM
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I basically became a new version of my dad, and all of the derision, aggression, and rage that used to be directed at him ended up being directed at me. Having the same things said about me, which were categorically untrue, made me wonder if maybe they were also untrue about him. Exactly the same as my experience.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 04:01 AM
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It gets easier with time. I don't think about it much these days unless something reminds me. For example, watching a movie where there is a positive father/son relationship. Batman is enough to strike that nerve. I wish I knew of a better solution. Not getting married is the only solution. Nothing will change until men go their own way. Take care.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 03:58 AM
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Just wanted to say thanks for sharing. My mother did this to me after my parents divorced and drove my father to suicide. He's dead and she still talks shit about him and tries to emotionally manipulate me. If i call her out on it she plays the victim. For the sake of my mental health I've had to walk away.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 12:21 AM
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Feminism in India is more about protecting women. India had a VAWA law explicitly designed to protect women even before the United States did and feminism had nothing to do with it. That was the work of traditionalists. You gotta remember, this is a country where even though the caste system is officially outlawed, higher class men still face little to no punishment for raping or violence against lower class women. It's also a country where a mob will come and beat the shit out of you or worse b…
/r/MensRights10/08/14 12:58 AM
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India is definitely included in this, feminism is still a necessary force. No. It isn't. What is needed, however, is an improvement in human rights for all.
/r/MensRights10/08/14 12:30 AM
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Though I don't see how you can't acknowledge the women in developing countries who have their lives decided for them by men and have less options in life. Guess you missed that story in Kenya where men are being ganged up on and genitally mutilated at the request of their wives. Point being, these are human rights issues. Stop making them gendered. I can tell you now that I haven't met a woman who has just had everything handed to them. If gender quotas exist specifically for your demographic, s…
/r/MensRights09/08/14 02:49 AM
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http://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/ A meta-study of 1700 international peer reviewed studies. http://www.domesticviolenceresearch.org/pages/12_page_findings.htm (An abridged version of the findings) Under heading Perpetration it says: Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%) Wide range in perpetration rates: 1.0% to 61.6% for males; 2.4% to 68.9% for women Many other things to read on it, so check out the links.
/r/MensRights07/08/14 01:34 AM
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What i think is that anybody who watches this (or the countless others like it) and agrees with it, is a lazy thinker. She tries what most feminists try to do, which is to pin down a definition for feminism. The problem is that as soon as you corner her using her own definition, she'll move the goal posts and say "Well, those aren't real feminists" or "MY feminism isn't like that" or "feminism means something different to everyone". It goes from being asserted as an objective thing to quickly be…
/r/MensRights07/08/14 12:31 AM
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An adult female claiming that she has less agency, than a male child? Curious that she would degrade herself in this manner. Feminism fought hard to give her that agency, and she's just going to trade it in like it's nothing in exchange for protection? Poor woman must not be thinking straight with the PTSD she got from this whole ordeal. I blame the patriarchy for confusing her. /s
/r/MensRights06/08/14 04:11 PM
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men are more likely to get primary custody of their children than women are when they actually fight for it. You mean when they have the money to fight. This is a problem with men not wanting to fight. Or it's a problem with not having enough money to fight. I'm not sure where you think this money is supposed to come from exactly. Unless you're wealthy, you aren't going to be flush with cash when you're required to pay for your wife's attorney, your own attorney, over a drawn out multi-year batt…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 03:24 PM
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Everything that males enjoy is always going to be a gender battleground because it too must be annexed by the fempire. It doesn't matter whether girls actually like or enjoy what's being co-opted. If boys like it, girls must be made to like it too otherwise gender feminists would be forced to admit that biology is not a social construct and acknowledge the research which shows that many preferences are a result of biology and the explanation of many differences between men and women. For more in…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 03:04 PM
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I don't think very many murders are premeditated in these situations where one person has so little to live for that they figure "hey why not?". What seems to happen instead is that these guys are on the brink of snapping as you say because of how much suffering and punishment they've had to endure and something the woman does (women know how to push your buttons and will not hesitate to kick you when you're down) provokes him which would be the straw that broke the camel's back. As Bill Burr pu…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 02:22 PM
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So, a couple of things: Is she aware she sounds like a racist bigot? She believes that women can be partial towards women (true) and by projection believes therefore that men must be partial to men which of course is false. This is why she has trouble with trusting a non-female source. It isn't a wage gap but rather an earnings gap. The difference is subtle but important. As i see it, the only way to accept the wage gap (due to gender discrimination) is to buy into the belief that women do not h…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 01:35 PM
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"There's just no real benefits to marriage anymore when a woman can file for divorce for any reason and seize 50% or more of the assets. " Keyword being CAN and not WILL. "Other than that, you are signing away half your assets and half your paycheck which your wife will most likely receive in divorce court." This isn't saying that "she will steal your shit" either. It is stating a high probability of it happening based on past examples of which there are many. For all he knows, his girl could be…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 12:35 PM
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Thanks.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 12:00 PM
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From one of the comments: Divorce lawyer here. Clearly no profit motive here. Prenups can be thrown out, but not the kind of prenups I draft. So what's it going to take for you to drive this off my lot today? Nah, you don't wanna buy from Sal's used car lot, his rust buckets will break down on you in a minute. You should buy them from me instead. MY cars never break down. he just needs to get off the red pill and talk to someone who knows the legal aspects of marriage. Still not convinced, eh? D…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 06:00 AM
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The problem with male victims of domestic abuse being arrested instead of their female partners is real. One explanation is that we have created a society in which the valued traits in men are stereotypically masculine, such as strength, stoicism, and ability to defend oneself from a weaker woman, so society will naturally step up to protect the "weak" woman against the "macho" abuser. We could go with your 'feminist analysis' explanation, or we could go with the actual explanation which is femi…
/r/MensRights05/08/14 04:08 AM
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You don't seem to understand the balance between protection and agency. The only group in society that has both, are women. How? Because when women did not have (or did not make use of) agency, they were protected and provided for. Then they decided they would like some agency, but keep being protected and provided for. It just so happens they replaced men with the state. Perhaps you are unaware that early on, women were against the feminist movement because they were under the impression that i…
/r/MensRights05/08/14 01:25 AM
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Feminism and traditionalism are 2 sides of the same coin, both of which seek to utilize masculinity to serve women's interests. What men need is a rude awakening to this fact.
/r/MensRights01/08/14 04:22 AM
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because as soon as we stop we will lose rights little by little, you can never sop fighting for what is right. Which is why we all still need to be abolitionists. I mean, if we stopped, then black people would go back to being slaves again. Wait, that doesn't sound right...
/r/MensRights30/07/14 10:58 PM
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All of which will only accelerate their downfall. The beauty is that they don't seem to realize that.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 01:04 PM
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All we need to do is shine a spot light on them, document it and share it. They are doing a better job of undermining themselves than any group could possibly hope to. Feminists claim to have given women choices and a voice. Now that women are freely exercising both of those, they're being attacked for it...by feminists. The hilarious part is that everybody can see this hypocrisy except for feminists.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 01:03 PM
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Men as a group have never been and never will be favoured outside of their utility. The only men who have been favoured are the select few individual elites who either rise to power or are given power. Equality under the law is achievable. Equal in all things is not. In my own personal view, any legislative solution towards improving men's issues is no different than painting over rust. You've only temporarily patched the problem, but the rust will continue to bubble up and eat away underneath t…
/r/MensRights22/07/14 11:36 PM
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I need thought police feminism because i should only hear views i agree with while i eavesdrop on people's conversations.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 10:52 PM
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If this is ok, then they should also do it to mothers to keep track of how child support is being used. Doubly so when they're asking for more money.
/r/MensRights19/07/14 11:59 PM
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I'm sick of party politics. Between this, and Trudeau heavily pandering to women in his campaign speeches, they lost my vote. NDP voted against this bill as a block too. Sad day when the only pro-family party are the conservatives.
/r/MensRights17/07/14 05:34 AM
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The discussion boils down to this: Men and women both face challenges in both getting in and staying in the games industry (overworking and burning out), but somehow its magically harder for women (no evidence provided) and so the more capable people need to hold their hands, encourage them, be sensitive to their needs, instead of hiring people better suited for the job because reasons (none given).
/r/MensRights12/07/14 09:06 PM
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Reminds me about this study posted last fall.
/r/MensRights07/07/14 05:17 PM
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People complaining about the phrase man up? Are you kidding me? We are the stronger sex, it does by no means make us better, but jesus, the male ideology Is not to complain. Just because the phrase doesn't bother you, doesn't make it universally true for everyone. For many, it has made a significant negative impact on their lives, so who are you to minimize their experiences? What the fuck is 'male ideology'? Take your traditionalist macho bullshit and blow it out your ass.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 11:52 PM
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Yeah, you don't want to be a leader. I can see that much. You want to be a boss, telling others to clear a path for you to follow rather than the other way around.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 11:27 PM
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There is always a chance you will be falsely accused, not a guarantee. Always be recording and hope you never have to use it. In many cases, that's the only defence you'll have. I myself never interact with women unless there are eye witnesses. My cousin went through a false accusation when we were both in high school and i've never looked at things the same ever since. Edit: Personality disorders are a pretty big indicator that she's going to cause you trouble. Learn to identify those traits an…
/r/MensRights01/07/14 12:06 AM
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And yet they still refer to her as the victim.
/r/MensRights29/06/14 11:15 PM
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Why were you there in the first place? These so-called "skeptics" don't even have the capacity to see that they've substituted one religion for another.
/r/MensRights29/06/14 08:52 PM
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Well, i can't say that i agree with you but i appreciate the honesty.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 08:55 PM
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feminist have a good handle on gender issues i dont think it needs to be framed as an equality issue These two statements contradict each other. Either feminists have a good handle on gender issues, in which case issues such as this one wouldn't be viewed/handled as a gender issue. OR feminists don't have a good handle on gender issues which is why they more often than not refer to non-gendered issues as being gendered. You know, eternal victim-hood and all. Given that this is most often the cas…
/r/MensRights14/06/14 08:00 PM
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It was bizarre being downtown Vancouver during the Olympics. All of the homeless just vanished.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 09:01 PM
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Yeah it does sound like that and for good reason. I've noticed a rise in black mgtows with men walking away from black women, because they feel that black women walked away from them first. Personalities like Tommy Sotomayor are probably helping to fuel that. The "strong independent black woman who don't need no man" has always just been empty talk. The reality is that they replaced men with the state. They're still as dependant as ever. Men on the other hand are in a default position to actuall…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 08:27 PM
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You're right.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:50 AM
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Here's the thing: Your anger IS justified and it's a legitimate feeling but it took me a long time to realize that about myself. I was made to feel guilty for feeling angry which made me even angrier in the long run. Eventually i embraced it and now i have more control over where it gets directed. If you're like me, then nature compels you to use your anger destructively, but If you can manage to use it constructively, then do that. I have learned to use it to focus more and accomplish more. As …
/r/MensRights09/06/14 01:36 AM
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the majority of people opposing this were actually women Just like the abortion issue. That part gets conveniently swept under the rug though.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:46 AM
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Hm ok. As far as i can tell, they haven't provided any evidence to show that the MRM, TRP, PUA, PUAHate are connected. They simply said they were connected and so we're meant to believe it. It relies on lazy thinking. It would be directly comparable if any of these "manosphere" groups were claiming to be the true men's rights movement, but they aren't. The only common thread is that each group is made up of mostly men. That's a pretty weak link. That would be like me saying that feminism and red…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:31 AM
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I'm not opposed to you based on my assumptions. I've responded based on things that you've actually said. You used an intentionally incorrect example, which i acknowledged by saying that i didn't think you believed it, so how did i tell you that you're wrong? I added context for MY assertion on why that example was not a comparison, of whatever you were trying to draw a comparison to. I even included my own intentionally incorrect example using the same tactic and low standard of evidence as the…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:17 AM
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How are you supposed to get a comprehensive understanding of the differences and similarities without asking questions that do challenge others? Reading. These types of posts have been made by many others. Use the search function. No but talking about Men's Rights in /r/MensRights[1] is an echo chamber from what I've seen. What do you propose, when other subreddits ban MR members for just asking questions?
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:06 AM
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You misrepresented my argument Where? You attacked me instead of my argument What did i say? you dismissed my argument because you believe I used fallacies to support it, but you didn't actually refute anything I said Tone is not an argument, therefore i did not dismiss it. Don't lecture me on fallacies, bro. Don't call me a bro, homie.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:03 AM
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Sure. I'm not really concerned with what you want to call yourself. We're more concerned with what you believe. My purpose was to try to get you think about labels and how you can't just erase what other people have made it mean. Just a suggestion, you could at least preface it like Christina Hoff Sommers does. She calls herself an equity feminist and we're cool with her. Gender feminists are the ones that we have the biggest problem with. Free tip for you to avoid future misunderstandings. Yeah…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:00 AM
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How to Argue. 5th on the pyramid, just above ad-homs and name calling. Responding to tone: Criticizes the tone of the writing without addressing the substance of the argument.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:36 PM
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I would argue that that is the ideal way to challenge your perception; put it up against others and compare and contrast. There is a difference between challenging your own views, and challenging others' views. Letting yourself get caught in an echo chamber is good for no one. Agreed. Lucky for us, we have no shortage of "opposing perspectives", since they're the norm.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:28 PM
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Didn't read it. What did it say?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:26 PM
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I kinda thought they were. It's ok, you made a mistake. You're only human. On a serious note, i think you've been advocating for women's issues (which is a good thing), but calling yourself a feminist, which is a label to describe a collection of ideologies. At best it's misguided with good intentions and hateful at its worst. You only call yourself a feminist today because radicals co-opted the women's rights movement along with the civil rights movement, gay rights movements etc and claims to …
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:25 PM
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Stop being a feminist. Be a women's rights activist. Good chat. Wait. You don't actually think that those two mean the same thing, do you?
/r/MensRights08/06/14 11:03 PM
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I'm personally trying to be vocal about my feminism And there we have it. That's what it always boils down to. You're trying to convince everyone here that your feminism is the correct feminism. All those other feminists who say that their feminism is the 'one true feminism' are just pretenders. Neither of you have any way to support your claims about which one is correct. You just expect us to be wilfully ignorant and take your word for it. I'm sure this works fantastically on non-rational, non…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:59 PM
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It's pretty hard to pin down "feminism" and say what it is and isn't "You are one, ie you are a feminist if you're for gender and sex equality. That's what feminism is." - theworldiscomplex Doesn't seem that hard afterall. most self-described feminists are for equality and care about men's issues. Except for those self-described feminists who are not for equality and don't care about men's issues. But lets not pay attention to those. For example, someone who was bitterly against what they called…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:38 PM
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Age seems to be the key issue here. I asked one friend from the US (i'm up in Canada) and he said he didn't know about vasectomies when he became sexually active in his early teens. I also asked a girl (also in the US. Lazy Canadians not even awake yet) who started only in university and she said she knew there was an equivalent to "tying your tubes" for men, but was unaware on the details of it. Seems to be a general lack of education on it, but the challenge is getting the information out to k…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 03:48 PM
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I'm not sure how and at what age i learned about vasectomies. I'm sure it wasn't through any sort of formal education though. Every man i know, knows about vasectomies as an option, but none of them had ever heard of vasalgel until i told them. I suppose if that's the case for most young men's knowledge regarding vasectomies, then it's up to those of us in the know to educate the young men around us.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 02:37 PM
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Even though i have no desire to ever have kids, i would not get a vasectomy. Personally, I do not feel comfortable with surgical procedures. That's just me. I would use something like vasalgel though. It sounds way less invasive which is why i suspect it will be the real game changer.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 02:29 PM
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Caught the last few minutes of this as well. Feminists love to accuse us of derailing the conversation. Anyone who watched this stream just witnessed actual derailing. In a conversation about the conference to help men and boys, the woman next to Dean was listing off the usual debunked feminist grievances and topped it off with "these people make me feel scared" (paraphrased). The moment "i feel scared" comes out from one of these discussions, and none of the moderators shoot it down, the discus…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 02:19 PM
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In season 2 of House of Cards male rape victims get an acknowledgement as well. Not exactly TV, but a large audience nonetheless.
/r/MensRights07/06/14 11:24 PM
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Isn't this exactly how Brian Banks ended up clearing his name?
/r/MensRights07/06/14 11:12 PM
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There was a time when men were masculine and women were feminine. That didn't work. That's why we are here. No, we're here precisely because it DID work. Human beings would not have made it this far as a species if it didn't work. We've reached a point in our civilization where our ingenuity through technology has allowed us to interfere with our own biology and evolution. This has afforded us the chance over the past century or so to re-think whether or not we should carry on doing things the w…
/r/MensRights07/06/14 10:50 PM
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If a man is scared or nervous, he can't get an erection. Apparently your dad has never been a pre-pubescent boy.
/r/MensRights06/06/14 06:56 PM
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Sweden is not immune to global gender messages True. I just used them as an example because they took the idea that gender is a social construct and ran with it in an extreme way (ex. replacing gendered pronouns from childrens books with made-up gender neutral pronouns) and lets just say it's been less than successful. The problem is that the ideologues in charge can't admit that they were wrong because it would mean admitting that there are inherent biological differences between men and women.…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 07:12 PM
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Thanks for the correction.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 07:00 PM
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When did men ever flock to education or nursing? Nursing? I don't know but education used to be male dominated. Here in Canada at least there were quotas put into place several decades ago to get more women in to teaching positions. It seemed to help the girls do better in school, so i guess it worked. Today we need a similar program for male teachers at the federal level, but the government isn't interested in doing that. Add to that the "stranger danger" fear run amok and you get the fucked up…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 10:29 AM
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I see in many of these posts women are generalized as manipulative and emotionally unstable. Some women are those things. We post examples of women doing bad things and compare them with men doing equally bad things, yet women receiving more sympathy, the media and society making excuses for them and the law does not come down as hard on them. Why? Are women not adults? We think they are. I don't think anyone in the United States has been drafted since the 1970's. There are plenty of poor disadv…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 09:21 AM
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Specifically advocated to hire more male teachers. This amounts to nothing more than lip service unless something is done to address the root cause of why males are shying away from the teaching profession.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:42 PM
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people just treated it like an interesting fact instead of an outrage. I'm glad you picked up on that. a lot of people from both groups seek to demonize the other gender We demonize feminism the ideology, and feminists (who are both men and women) for perpetuating said ideology but do not attack women as a group. or present themselves as "victims" of the other gender Again, we're not saying men are victims of women. We're saying men and women are both victims of a system that's enforced by other…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 03:00 AM
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And here you have basically everyone disagreeing with the idea. Same subreddit.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 02:30 AM
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The purpose of my post was to encourage you to look and see for yourself that while we identify many of the same issues, we almost never agree on the solution.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 01:50 AM
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An exercise for you: List your top 10 list of "things" that you think we agree upon and should work together on. Research how /r/mensrights proposes to fix said 'things' and how /r/feminism proposes to fix said 'things'. If you find a matching pair, please share your findings with us.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 01:42 AM
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The world doesn't owe you anything. Not love, not happiness, not respect, not success. Not even compassion. You have to EARN those things. Sorry you were brought up to believe that those things were yours by birthright. Sorry you found out the hard way that you have to WORK for that shit. Sorry you don't have what it takes to get those things. Unemployed? Single? Lonely? Too fucking bad, too fucking sad. So much projection you could run a movie theatre.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 01:31 AM
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This is hilarious. First Hugo Schwyzer and now this sycophant. What should be a warning to all male feminists, will sadly be motivation to lick those feminist boots even harder.
/r/MensRights31/05/14 07:09 PM
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I would like the weight of law to enforce respect No.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 10:14 PM
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I don't expect women to stop rejecting men, or shaming them or demonizing them. Men don't have to participate in that process. The solution to most of these problems is convincing men to stop throwing each other under the bus, especially for reasons as silly as competing for female attention. From personal experience, i know this is possible at the small scale. I'm talking about a handful of close friends. It even seems possible with small online communities of a few hundred or thousand. Beyond …
/r/MensRights28/05/14 02:55 AM
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Sargon of Akkad's response
/r/MensRights27/05/14 07:09 PM
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Check your user manual. I must remember to use this.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 04:44 PM
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Thanks for the source. I don't hear him saying that women who like lots of sex are less worthy of respect. He's saying that he can't respect a woman that doesn't respect herself and to be fair, i think he holds men to the same standard. To be specific, he's questioning the motivation behind it. He's describing some women who think that female empowerment has to do with "aping men" and suggesting that those women wouldn't normally be behaving that way. Whether or not those women would behave that…
/r/MensRights25/05/14 07:27 AM
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I for one do not think that it is okay to assume someone is to be respected less because of their sexual actions. Given that nobody is entitled to respect, you would first have to respect someone in order to respect them less. but it was a very strange choice of words that could be taken negfatively. It could be if you chose to focus on how he was saying something instead of what he was saying. It would be far better to express your lack of respect to loose women, but to call them whores implies…
/r/MensRights25/05/14 06:24 AM
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I'm not sure if it's just me but he does come of as a bit of a misogynist. He quickly commented that women that give sex too easily are whores and cannot be respected. And therein lies the problem. Men are not able to have standards and preferences without coming off as misogynists. We're constantly told that we should love women just for being women and that we should consider ourselves lucky to get any female attention whether positive or negative. Many MGTOW are not opposed to having relation…
/r/MensRights24/05/14 05:00 PM
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If i had to put it plainly, it's basically re-inventing yourself and it's not an easy thing to do. It requires a great deal of introspection and challenging your socialization. In order to move forward, you have to look back and truly understand what happened to you and why it happened. You may not like what you discover, but it must be done if you hope to move on from where you are right now. I see too many men (my former self included) who are raised to derive their sense of self worth from ex…
/r/MensRights23/05/14 04:54 PM
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I have been fighting depression since childhood and nothing has helped as much as MGTOW philosophy so i'm going to recommend the same to you. It will make you feel even more sad, alone, angry, but eventually you will find peace. Please check out Barbarossa and Spetsnaz. Drop by /r/mgtow and post your thoughts there if you'd like.
/r/MensRights23/05/14 03:56 PM
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From my understanding, this line of thinking is usually justified by pointing to a power structure or power dynamics that they've constructed through a series of logical fallacies. First you have to ignore that women have power, which is obviously a lie. Some of them have the same kind of power, which is the power to influence. A lot of them have the power to utilize the power of men, which is to say power by proxy. Then you have to look at the ruling class and again, ignore the women, focus on …
/r/MensRights20/05/14 09:18 AM
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Depends entirely on your definition of important. Nearly everyone does things that are important to them at an individual level. In comparison, very few men and women do anything noteworthy that's important to the betterment of humankind. I'm no exception.
/r/MensRights15/05/14 05:49 PM
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The entirety of this page reads as: Hello. I am feminist drone #5834020, but you may call me Maureen. I am here to convince you that you should believe in things that are the opposite of reality. In order to do this, we must lie to children because otherwise they will never become feminists. Now turn your attention to 25 examples of women who did some important things, written in a way to make you believe that the exception invalidates the rule. Take for example this one female scientist, this i…
/r/MensRights15/05/14 02:58 PM
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Words used to describe the men trapped in the mine: Coal miners, bodies, miners, victims, them, they, people.
/r/MensRights15/05/14 02:03 PM
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Last two paragraphs: President Obama and the DOE seem to think that we can solve the problem of campus rape by expending more federal resources and issuing more unclear guidelines. This is madness. The bottom line is that even the most tightly regulated and well-funded campus tribunal will never be able to adequately adjudicate rape. Sexual-assault cases are very tricky to handle, even for trained law enforcement. And even if a campus court manages to deliver a just verdict without trampling the…
/r/MensRights14/05/14 03:27 PM
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"Survivors should also be given options -- either an open hearing or a closed-door model -- and given adequate time to decide which path is best for their individual scenario." Sure. Why not let them choose the punishment while they're at it.
/r/MensRights14/05/14 02:30 PM
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Part of getting along with non-radical feminists is getting them to see that they're not doing themselves or their cause (presumably equality for all, not just women) any favours by continuing to call themselves feminists. For some reason they have an almost religious, emotional attachment to the label which you need to break. Part of it is due to lazy thinking. Instead of verifying their beliefs to be true or false, they trust that what they've been told is an accurate account of history. Now, …
/r/MensRights14/05/14 02:22 PM
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Replace every instance of "I need feminism because..." with "I need thought police because..." and it makes more sense.
/r/MensRights14/05/14 01:50 PM
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I think that only works when statist/feminist media use it often enough for it to become part of our daily conversation. It's already in the mind of the average person if they watch or read any news at all. We can use that to our advantage. My concern is that by modifying their phrases and actions, we will be seen as anti-feminists, which is exactly not the way we should be viewed. I understand your concern, but it is not one that i share. We are seen as anti-feminists because a lot of us are. T…
/r/MensRights14/05/14 01:42 PM
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I adopted the term from girlwriteswhat, and use it because i believe it to be accurate in describing the situation. I can understand why it might make you cringe in what appears to be copying feminist terminology. I think it's appropriate in calling it that when explaining things to people who are already familiar with concepts such as the "gender wage gap". I'm open to other terms, but have not come across one that is as short, accurate and easy to understand. One last point: As long as you're …
/r/MensRights14/05/14 01:14 PM
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The majority of men's issues go ignored because of the gender empathy gap. Whether deliberate or not, men's humanity is being erased when they are reduced to a collection of job titles and pronouns. What do you suppose happens to public consciousness over multiple decades of being bombarded by news about men, emphasis on men, doing horrible things but almost never referred to as men when horrible things happen to men? People's perceptions of men change. They are not acknowledged as human beings,…
/r/MensRights14/05/14 08:52 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25hyhc/151_miners_were_killed_and_hundreds_more_remain/ The article in this thread mentions that they were men once. A slight improvement over the way things are usually reported.
/r/MensRights14/05/14 05:38 AM
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Rescuers worked through the night, pumping oxygen into the shafts as the families of the trapped men maintained a vigil near the mine's entrance. Nice to see an article acknowledge men as human beings instead of human doings for a change, even if it wasn't in the title.
/r/MensRights14/05/14 03:49 AM
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I think Spetsnaz videos might be of some relevance to you.
/r/MensRights13/05/14 03:52 AM
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Why do you feel so attached to the feminist label?
/r/MensRights12/05/14 04:51 AM
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The fuck? This weak attempt at linking MRA and traditionalists is so absurd it actually made me laugh. Most guys in the MRM wouldn't even marry ONE woman, let alone multiple.
/r/MensRights02/05/14 10:30 AM
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If women use their sexuality, I'd say the equivalent is men using their status. The difference is in prevalence and acceptance. Sexuality is inherent while status must be acquired. Thus, more women are able to use their sexuality than men are able to acquire status. You can argue whether or not this is fair. Generally speaking, I would say women's behaviour regarding this matter is condoned while men's behaviour is condemned. (look at how much shaming language is thrown at Clooney). Both are ess…
/r/MensRights30/04/14 12:53 AM
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Getting equality for women is a real issue for me. Does that include equal responsibility?
/r/MensRights29/04/14 08:31 AM
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I love these 'I'm going to throw a bunch of bullshit at you and see what sticks and declare victory' arguments not realizing that the opposition came prepared, coated in teflon.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 07:30 AM
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I noticed a major decline in quality a few months back when they started hiring gawker media writers. Haven't read verge/polygon since then.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 02:52 AM
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Safety is not a right, but a responsibility. You must take it upon yourself to ensure your safety. If you feel too scared to attend an anime convention, then stay home. It's a fantasy if you think the whole world should change to suit your sensibilities. The people who aren't paranoid and delusional will have a great time in their stead. What they want is for you to be a good little white knight and just agree with them. Again, they want to play by a special set of rules. According to these type…
/r/MensRights22/04/14 09:19 AM
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Groupthink is harmful thing. A shameful, harmful thing. 1:43 PM - 21 Apr 2014 My favourite one.
/r/MensRights21/04/14 11:18 PM
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Women are not being attacked online for being women (apart from the trolls. That's kind of what trolls do). Man or woman, if your ideas are shit, people will tell you. Nobody deserves respect. Respect is earned. Nobody is immune from criticism. Good ideas are harder to criticize. Can't handle it? GTFO. I think this is the same anti-meritocracy trend we've been seeing with women in tech and other fields. They don't want to play by the same rules. Their opinions and ideas cannot withstand public s…
/r/MensRights21/04/14 04:37 PM
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People would just blame them for being cowards and running away from responsibility. You know, kind of like how it is right now.
/r/MensRights21/04/14 03:47 PM
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A hypothetical scenario to explain the lack of reproductive rights: http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7x78v/what_do_modern_men_want_in_women/c07omtc alright, and i know custody and alimony is swayed a lot but hold on - like gender roles right?? don't you think the idea that women are thought of as "babymaker housewives" is part of why mothers are usually granted custody? and that men are thought of as "the strong breadwinners who don't have time for that shit" and are expected to take car…
/r/MensRights21/04/14 03:42 PM
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This is the report that is most often used to arrive at that figure. http://consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf Most of what you need is mentioned in the foreword, including this: Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective a…
/r/MensRights21/04/14 05:29 AM
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I'm going off of stats canada figures. They rank sexual assaults from levels 1-3. Sexual assault level 1 (s.271): An assault committed in circumstances of a sexual nature such that the sexual integrity of the victim is violated. Level 1 involves minor physical injuries or no injuries to the victim. That accounts for ~98%. Sexual assault level 2 (s.272): Sexual assault with a weapon, threats, or causing bodily harm. Aggravated sexual assault (level 3): Sexual assault that results in wounding, mai…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 07:50 PM
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It's not necessary to be physically stronger than your victim in order to rape them. The cases where that is necessary, it is typically a male perpetrator and it is also the least prevalent form of rape. It is much more common for rapists (male and female) to take advantage of their victim's (male and female) diminished capacity. Drunk, passed out, drugged, etc. Male and female rapists are pretty much the same in that regard. I think what's unique to a female rapist is that she can use threats o…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 05:28 PM
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