Just a question

legalquestion4545 · 2020-01-09T11:57:45+00:00

Yes

NO

Yes but there is NO one so NO

YES

Yes

Experience

If she breathes, she is a red flag

This is coming from a dude, experience with many women from different cultures. All the same shit.

I don't see myself as bitter, or sour. I see myself as woke. With a new understanding of how nature works. I never hated snakes or sharks as child. Having said that no one told me as a kid that monogamy with a snake or shark, love with a snake or shark, respecting holding hands and raising children for a shark/snake, trusting a shark/snake.... was a good idea .... they said that about women. so i really hate society, media, and everyone else for that. Not women.

And in reality If you think about it. One can't not hate their mom. No matter how good she is with you. In fact men with whore mothers are bless (or cursed if they they try to go find a good mother replacement) ... but yea

all of them are whores

and your relationship with your mother exist because she's your mom....thats it women will never love you unless they are your biological mother

GoodMan_Gone · 2020-01-09T11:53:56+00:00

In my case I just interact normally with women. Be it in a business interaction, casual talk or friends. I only took ex out of the equation completely. I never intent to have a relationship with women in the sense of a "love relationship" anymore. And if I have a too high desire to have sex, I'll just go and "rent one." So no, my search for "the one" is over. Buying something for a woman =/= necessarily simping IMO. Yes I have had past sour experiences. But I had those with men as well. Non sexual in my case: I'm 100% hetero. But sour people can be found everywhere and is not gender locked. My perception? Well, it was the "topic' of my brief RP rage: I was right all along but let me "put under" by society and parents.

But no, I don't hate or resent women at all. Perhaps some, but that the same as with some men. They can't help their nature. I like some women in the role of friend. But overall I'm indifferent. If any "general" emotion I frankly pity women a little. For me it'd be a hell to live in a world where I feel perpetual dissatisfied, that I am depending on the male counterparts and I'd be handed everything for free without struggle until the wall would hit me.

southernmgtowmonk · 2020-01-09T12:44:32+00:00

It's not about will they won't they. It's more about the fact that they can. You know the old saying "you have'nt really met a woman till you meet her in court".

How many testimonies have we seen of happily married men. At first. Then their lives turn to literal hell. Some of them kill themselves.

False allegations are very real. We all think "it won't happen to me". That's what every person in a plane crash thought.

So to answer your questions directly:

1) AWALT is a statistical argument. It takes into account a few very important and complex variables.

First is inherent biology and human sexual dimorphism. Women fuck in exchange for a certain male agency. 20k years ago it was killing the prey and building the settlement. Today it is status and money or just dick.

Second is the state of female power. Women no longer need men for financial reasons (albeit they have no problem extracting their wealth) but they can and do earn good money on their own if they choose to do so. To a lesser extent, political voice is also a thing they have now. Now, of course I wish for noone to be enslaved, man nor woman, but the reality is, without clear necessity for a man in their lives, and modern technology plays a huge role here too, the normal man has little to offer women today. They are mostly obsolete.

Third is the fact that society no longer polices and punishes women based on behaviour. Slut shaming is not only gone, slutty behaviour is now called empowerment. This is crucial. Public ostracizement is one of women's greatest fears. They will go to great lengths to preserve their social standing and appearance.

Fourth is the age of information. Women, as most female mammals, hareem around the top and most fit males. This is know as the 80/20 rule. This was exacerbated to an insane degree by the likes of Tinder.

There is much more to be said but the gist is, given the current circumstances as a whole, the chances that given enough time a woman will default to a certain behaviour pattern is nearly 100%. Add to that the current state of family law and the corolary is: it may be safer to tap dance on a minefield than to invite a woman into your life. This pretty much covers questions 1 and 2.

As for simping. No, I believe generally speaking buying something for a woman does not constitute simping by default. I would define simping as male behaviour that is partly or completely against his self interest (from the point of view of his quality of life) with the express purpose of having sex with the woman. The truly sad thing about simping is that it pretty much by default constitutes failing a shit-test, which guarantees she will not bed him.

I would'nt consider my past experiences bad. Good or bad is a function of reference frame, and as such, yes at the time I considered them bad. Today I see them as inevitable behaviour patterns. I was simply misinformed. In fact, that was the very source of my confusion, frustration and anger back then.

Had we been taught these fundamental things the same way we learned about gravity, we would not be in this mess.

iReddit2000 · 2020-01-09T11:28:47+00:00

I think I'm right there with you. I gave up early, but have had some redeeming relationships so I'm good. I mostly do my own thing, if they wanna come along that's great, if not...oh well.

BJ2435 · 2020-01-09T11:32:44+00:00

No, no, maybe, no, and yes but not anymore. I personally have spent a lot of time around and in women. I have seen the worst of the worst and probably been with some at their best. Since I’ve already experienced women in all shapes, heights, and personalities, that urge to chase them doesn’t control me anymore.

King_Yautja · 2020-01-09T12:43:23+00:00

I believe women are human, and like all humans we have impulses that are positive, creative, altruistic and noble. We also have impulses that are selfish, irresponsible, destructive and cruel.

The whole project that is "civilisation" has been to tame that animal. To reign in our darker impulses. We all have them it's part of the human experience but we don't act on them.

The problem is we've allowed the demons to run amok. We have created a system that enables and encourages women to act in a destructive fashion.

Think about it if we lived in a society that actively encouraged and celebrated rape and wife beating would you blame women for just giving all men a wide berth as a matter of course?

Women are not good or bad and men are not good or bad we're all a bit of both but we've created a system that gives women every possible incentive and no disincentive to act out the worst parts of their nature.

Maximum_Afternoon · 2020-01-09T12:44:43+00:00

Doesn't matter if there are good ones: every time you want to try one out costs you 5-10 years and half your shit.

gantz_au · 2020-01-09T13:19:44+00:00

I enjoy my freedom and can't see any benefit to having a woman in my life.

Hypothetically, even if I did meet a unicorn, the woman who is everything I want her in every genuine sense, then that's only part of the problem solved.

It still doesn't take into account the bigger part of the problem which is society and culture. I would still be in dangerous territory because of third-party interference.

2020-01-09T11:38:51+00:00

I don't really initiate or show much interest. I let them come to me.

If she wants me she is going to have to put in the work. And most women suck in starting or holding a conversation, so fuck it.

I rather make money, work on music or go to the gym its waaaaaaaay more rewarding.

2020-01-09T14:13:48+00:00

I believe there are anomalies/exceptions to everything, but over 95% of the females I've met are indeed money-grubbing whores.
"The One" does not exist. It is a fairytale used to brainwash.
I believe everyone will backstab me, given the chance.
I don't think buying something for a girl period verbatim is simping. It's when she wakes you up in the middle of the night with the words "Send me $2000" and you do it no questions asked that moment that it becomes simping.
Yes. All past experiences were not only sour, but bitter as well.
It came from life. Simple as that.

DangZagnut · 2020-01-09T15:07:59+00:00

Not interested. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

BJ2435 · 2020-01-09T11:28:23+00:00

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yooshio · 2020-01-09T15:32:17+00:00

horse3y3s · 2020-01-09T17:28:37+00:00

Maybe.

Not really.

Maybe.

Most of the times.

Not really.

I wonder...

Title	Just a question
Author	BJ2435
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Comments	42
Date	January 9, 2020 11:22 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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