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[–]strongandhappy222 points223 points224 points 6 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
We simply investigated something no one else bothered to and reported our findings.
[–]ChilledEfilist33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This!
[–]beenthere78921 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brilliant!
[–]AmbiguousHistory4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Dehumanization is about how you treat others. For example, PETA overhumanizes animals. Media dehumanizes MGTOW. Just because a group humanizes/dehumanizes another group, that doesn't make them right. All humans deserve to be treated as human unless they themselves treat an undeserving group as less than human. I don't care where you are and how you see others, but if you aren't treating women like you would want to be treated only because they are women, then you have no right to expect them or anyone else to treat you how you want to be treated. Point blank.
By dehumanizing someone else, you only justify people dehumanizing you.
[–]TheLastMgtow2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Thats a good perspective actually. But what do you think about, women voting? Women going to the university or working jobs along side men? Its not very positive to make all men in the workplace walk on eggshells? I dont think mgtow dehumanizes women, but we see things for what they are, women are not equal to men.
[+]AmbiguousHistory-9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Women are just as capable of picking good political leaders and voting for positive laws as men. When it comes to laws focusing on women only, it's especially critical that there are women voting on those laws because no man has no right to control what a woman should do with her body. For laws that affect women, it's just as important to hear from women because the course of action affects them as well as men. Likewise, for laws focusing on men only, it's important for the voices we hear to be from men.
Women deserve every right to education and work as men. The condition to this is merit. If a woman shows she's capable, she should be given the opportunity before any man or woman who is incapable. Same for men. If a man is capable, he should be given priority over any man or woman who is incapable. Capacity should be based on demonstration, not hubris, assumption, or stereotype.
Why would a man have to walk on eggshells in a workplace environment because of a woman? If it's because you don't want to get in trouble for sexual harassment, then that says more about yourself than about the women you work with. It's really easy not to be inappropriate in the workplace. Just don't sexually harass people. Don't stare at her body. Don't make inappropriate comments towards her. Don't touch her inappropriately. It's a matter of understanding basic social cues.
Not all MGTOW people dehumanize women, but the group on whole has a tendency to do so, as your post demonstrates. You're passive-aggressively trying to suggest women are lesser for no valid reason and I have to guess your reasonings based on what I have seen from the MGTOW group on whole. (So, sorry if some of my assumptions about your individual stance are wrong.) Just because you don't want to see women as equals, that doesn't mean they are lesser. It says more about yourself than them.
TLDR - By saying what you have, you just reaffirm my earlier point of "Don't dehumanize someone for what they are, otherwise you justify people dehumanizing you for who you are."
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You've got some fair points, but a few things:
Plenty of guys ended up here because of terrible treatment by women. If anything, this sub highlights how women easily can dehumanize men (no better example than maximizing cash and prizes and stealing the kids during the divorce process).
[–]AmbiguousHistory-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And there are plenty of men who vote for men just because they don't want a woman in office. It's a balance that shouldn't have to exist, but does because people like to think their group knows better.
Men and women should be equally allowed to do with their body and right to parenthood as they wish. If a woman doesn't want to bring the fetus to term, she shouldn't be forced to, especially if she took the appropriate steps on her end to protect herself (birth control, condom, etc.). If a woman is raped, then she especially should not be forced to bring to term. Personally, I am against abortion unless there is medical need or in the case of rape. (Among other variables.) A woman should not be forced to suffer for 10 months because of a choice made by 2 people. The man was just as involved as the woman, so it's not fair that the woman has to deal with the consequences and the man gets off scott-free.
And some men like to actually do those things some women get accused of. You mistake a minority for the whole. It's the same logic that has some women claiming they can't feel safe around men because some men are abusers and rapists. Your logic is the same and it does not hold up. As for having to be careful around women they work with, no reasonable man has to be more careful at work than any other person. What you are pushing is the same sexism as the women who claim all men are dangerous because a few are dangerous. What you are saying here is actual sexism. So, based on the evidence I am seeing from you, I wouldn't be surprised if a woman called you sexist... you're definitely acting like one now.
You're right, some women are absolutely awful. Our system does also prioritize women because ours is a system where we (legally speaking) aren't used to women being as self-sufficient as men even though they have been as self-sufficient for decades now. This is a flaw in the system itself about how the law views women vs. men. Fix the problem. Don't blame the people who have little influence over the law. Men passed these laws and set these precedents. Fix them, don't whine about them.
Everyone gets screwed over by men and women both. It is actually sexist to decry one and not the other. Fix the problems you face or push through them. You're a man aren't you? Act like one. You can have emotions and be upset, but don't let your emotions keep you from changing the problems. Scapegoats fix nothing.
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Are there actually plenty of men who vote for men because they don't want women in power? When Hillary was hopping around with Beyonce asking everyone to vote for a woman and receiving enthusiastic cheers from the crowd, we know a lot of women (and men) were keen on a female president. As I said, studies have shown women have a strong in-group preference - it doesn't "even out" because one gender is far more likely to bat their corner than the other.
If the woman wants all the power to make the decision, then she can deal with the outcome of that decision. If she wants someone to be there with her after she makes her choice, she should consult that person. Its not a difficult concept. Moot point regardless because society is averse to burdening women with such logical responsibility.
Mistake a minority for the whole? What? What I am proposing is that men protect themselves from false accusers. Whose fault is it that false accusers are overwhelmingly if not exclusively women? If you can find a way to balance out the bias in society who are far more inclined to get outraged over a sob story by a woman rather than listen to a man, I'm happy to hear more about balancing my viewpoint when that happens.
Don't blame the people who have little influence over the law. Men passed these laws and set these precedents. Fix them, don't whine about them.
Pardon? When did women get the vote again? Do they not share any responsibility for the society they live in? Plenty of men have been trying to change laws and have been blocked by organizations majorly composed of women. Maintaining and advancing female privileges is very popular these days.
You're a man aren't you? Act like one. You can have emotions and be upset, but don't let your emotions keep you from changing the problems. Scapegoats fix nothing.
Ha, man up! Nice one. Do you realize what sub you're in here? Men Going Their Own Way. Its not our job to fix society. I am acting like a man - I look at the world around me, make rational decisions based on what I see and move forward. I don't expect the world to change for me because I don't like certain aspects of it - that's a woman's prerogative. If you think there's emotion in my posting, that's projection on your part.
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[–]Sir_manalot2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bull. Every nation/culture (ex: Sparta, Rome, Byzantine Empire, Greece, etc) that gave women power started to decline and eventually collapse.
Why? Women are anti-responsibility and only look up. So women end up voting themselves more and more power to be more and more equal to those above them (which then moves the goal posts and they go again), overvaluing a few at the top and voting to give themselves less and less responsibility (making other people pay for it instead).
This eventually results in men eventually being disfranchised (creating bachelor movements like mgtow), demotivated (ex: see the man children situation) and being unable to pay the cost of everything.
And no, this isn't dehumanizing women, this is recognizing differences between us. Men have bad traits exclusive to them, women have bad traits exclusive to them.
We already point out the bad traits that men have on a daily basis(and overexagerate them).
And yes, exceptions. But exceptions do not disprove the general rule.
Fair enough. The issue is that we are forcing men out, lowering women's standards and such.
Because women lie (men do too). Women now have the power to ruin someone's life without needing any proof. Aka absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
So it doesn't matter what a man does if he runs into the wrong women. And it only takes one liar to ruin his life forever, so it doesn't matter how rare it is.
Men should avoid putting themselves in danger until the laws and such have changed to prevent such abuse.
If people do not like it, to bad. We are at the point where 60+% of managers are uncomfortable around women in the work place...and it will keep getting worse.
Women are not equal to men, we are different from.each other. Heck, most men are not equal to each other (there is a man better then you in every way out there).
If you want to hold women as equal, then go for it. But women only look up. So by putting her as your equal, she will put you below her, then say she is oppressed by the men she sees as her new equal.
[–]strongandhappy1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So you admit that men who have been systematically dehumanized by women or society are then justified to dehumanize their oppressors in response. That'd be good to hear if I gave a shit about your opinion.
[–]AmbiguousHistory-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If a man is being dehumanized by a person or group for no reason, then it's justifiable to do so in return. At the same time, no man is dehumanized by all women and no man is dehumanized by all of society. So if you dehumanize women by virtue of being women or dehumanize everyone for no reason, then that indicates the people who have dehumanized you, while wrong, may not have been too far off the mark with you. There's a difference between treating a bad person poorly and treating innocents poorly.
[–]strongandhappy0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Pissing in the wind bro.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/54f1b02e-8414-4075-b81c-400d1863c658
Mgtow means not playing that game.
[–]AmbiguousHistory-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Respect isn't a game.
[–]strongandhappy0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol. Okay Mr Miyagi, I'll bite. What is it?
[–]AmbiguousHistory0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a balance. You give respect in order to receive it. Simple as that. You can't expect respect from others if you're unable to give it in return.
[–]strongandhappy0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never knew it was so simple. Now I am enlightened.
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[–]AmbiguousHistory0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you genuinely believe that, then you clearly aren't getting laid. Women, in general, just want to be treated like people. Most get uncomfortable with being revered. Most dislike people who are exclusively assholes. Women do like men who have a good personality and hobbies they can take interest in, though. Being a bitter asshole is not a good personality, and being a nice guy is not the same thing as having a personality (it's the minimum expectation). Humans are simple creatures. If you want to get someone's attention, be confident and don't be a dick.
[–]Flesh_Pillow5105 points106 points107 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Mgtow saved my life. Gave me my life. Made me not feel alone, reduced my anger, i'm still angry but I understand it I embrace it I don't suppress it..I still feel shame from being publicly shamed especially as someone who once held their head high but I am a man, nolonger a boy. I have become strong in many ways, ways a woman can never understand with her child like ways. Mgtow made me.
[–]DashingWolf29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here bro, same here.
[–]shatterthecrystal6310 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here.
[–]Holdoooo4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You no longer feel the shame once you understand their reasons why they are shaming you :)
[–]DarkNights2923 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shaming is common when your off the plantation and their not cause they are scared to grab that freedom. Although I wish I could get out of RPR
[–]unknowncrash1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mgtow saved my life. Gave me my life. Made me not feel alone, reduced my anger, i'm still angry but I understand it I embrace it I don't suppress it
After a long time redpilling and telling the truth to my buddy, he finally accepted the truth. This statement was how he felt, he'd been a pushover ever since I met him but now he has finally awaken to the truth.
I just wanna say, these similar emotions from a fellow man always make me relived. Changing someone's perspective in life is just a big thing.
[–]Flesh_Pillow50 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very big. I'm especially resistant accepting philosophies without overwhelming evidence. Mgtow provided that from day 1 and still does.
[–]itwasntme1976 points77 points78 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Very true. They degrade themselves, their own behavior probes that. Just now I was checking new posts here on Reddit and a girl posted a pic of herself in a bathroom, pants down, shirt up saying "got dumped today, who wants to fuck me tonight."
[–]Amnesia250817 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Classy!
[–]jmsantos4510 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Probably r/gonewild
[–]itwasntme197 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You got yourself a bingo!
[–]Darth_Toenail3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You just say "bingo".
[–]shatterthecrystal636 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol sluts, all of them. From birth to death, I don't care what any of them say.
[–]GlobalActuator1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Link? 🤑
[–]roflcopt0rz_returns40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men don't treat women like sexual objects. Women treat themselves as sexual objects on their own.
[–]tr3bjockey13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sexual objects with a price tag.
[–]LiveTheTruth32123 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women are the real animals. They may say men are dogs and if anything that could refer to our loyalty and our concept of honor, things women could never understand.
[–]roflcopt0rz_returns30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Men are dogs, women are cats.
Dogs are fiercely loyal and love unconditionally, they'll always be there for you.
Cats only come to you if they need something, otherwise they're nowhere to be found.
[–]imtyrone0017 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. Cats are fiercely independent and self sufficient due to their hunting skills. Even domestic cats are fiercely territorial and will fight off foxes, badgers, and even raccoons. Women otoh are dependent on the male taxpayer and are generally herd minded. Women will also never stand their ground and fight, instead preferring to rely on bouncers, cops, and white knight manginas. Stop comparing women to my favorite animal.
[–]Scienceguruuu19957 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cats are better than women, don’t insult cats that way lol. I have 2 of them, they’re loyal and follow me everywhere around the house. Women suck, they suck so bad that they don’t even like each other
[–]topchef8083 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is an excellent analogy. And that particular dichotomy has broken a lot of hearts, my own included.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A perfect example of the modern woman is the 1980's all girl rock band the GoGo's. They were glorified sluts that picked random guys out of the concert audience in which they screwed their brains out afterward. Then to make matters worse they collected dick picks of their conquests.
The band breaks up, they all go out to find some nice guys to marry and raise a family with. In recent interviews they openly admit it was all about playing music, making money and getting laid. Nice girls they were not.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wasn’t Belinda Carlisle in that group?
Although to be fair: isn’t that why 99% of bands are formed, ultimately to get laid.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, lead singer.
[–]EndlessPatriotism12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mgtow gave me freedom and confidence. I went from the I'm not good enough mentality to the in the prize mentality.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women want their freedom, but they couldn’t handle the consequences of it....
[–]Andropomorphine4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are funny. They objectify/sexualize themselves by leaving very little to the imagination by the way they dress (tight form fitting clothes, ass accentuated, cleavage visible, thighs visible - in some cases they let their cellulite and stretchmarks loose). Then they blame men for sexualizing women. Pure class.
[–]PapaMGTOW4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We just expose female nature
[–]Swofff0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You mean like flat earthers expose the government’s lies?
[–]PapaMGTOW0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck off frat earfer
[–]EvilGuy2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats about the truest statement I have ever read. They stopped doing womanly things and relied on being a collection of holes, and called it empowerment.
[–]Onlymgtow882 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All we really did is ask a question “what if we don’t live our lives centered around having/getting women” once we posed that simple question the rest just sort of fell into place.
[–]somber_smiles1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where is the lie???
[–]harrison_wheels1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"You turned men against me!"
"You have done that yourself!"
[–]LOIKDU0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Especially when you realize they fuck up every possible aspect in their relationship with us whenever they can ! (divorce, relationships, false allegations etc.). I mean, at this point, "woman" spells as "ennemy" to me.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Never understood how you can dehumanize someone by choosing to not have anything to do with them?
Yet if it ever comes up in conversation, after she is done calling me an incel, I am suddenly to blame for all her problems.
[–]tw1nm3t30r0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ROFL! What knobs. More anger for escaping their clutches.
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