My thoughts on MGTOW

gods_bones · 2017-09-16T05:37:36+00:00

Since a young age, who always hugged us and told us everything would be okay?

The TV.

Who always made sure we were eating enough made sure we weren't cold outside?

Commercial advertisements.

Who was there to talk to us about things we'd be embarrassed to talk about with guy friends?

Sitcoms, usually. Sometimes Romantic Comedy movies if you're into that stuff.

As adults, who did we fantasize about or have physical intimacy with in order to relieve stress?

Hardcore XXX porn.

Face it. Womanity is obsolete.

Anything a woman can do, technology can do better.

swarley85 · 2017-09-16T05:09:52+00:00

exit-stage-right2 · 2017-09-16T05:18:20+00:00

It's not hate of women, you retard. It's self preservation. We need to protect ourselves from the society that treats us like shit. Women aren't the real problem, the real problem is a gynocentric government that treats men as criminals and wage slaves. Do your research.

JayJayEcks · 2017-09-16T05:44:33+00:00

Then go do something about it.

The problem with your call to action is that you are too weak and insignificant to do it on your own.

Your weak-ass attempt to shame MGTOWers is laughable.

Take that shit to r/MensRights

We can do it alone. That's why the internet is terrified of MGTOW as it should be.

Feed me your hate, it nourishes.

Hernes777 · 2017-09-16T06:00:07+00:00

After you get divorced raped, lose all your stuff, get accused of rape or dv and get wrung through the legal system, have your children taken from you, then maybe you tell men why they shouldn't be mgtow. We're taking the rational course.

gantz_au · 2017-09-16T07:02:13+00:00

Recently I have discovered the phenomenon known as "MGTOW". I've watched some of the YouTube videos and read some of the stories. There is a lot of truth being spoken in this community, but ultimately I think MGTOW men are misguided.

Considering each man who is going his own way is doing so on his own personal path, if you're going to call them misguided, you're going to have to do so for each man individually.

This is not a group collective, these are individuals.

In my opinion, MGTOW men are basically just doing what the extreme feminists are doing, although I understand more of where MGTOW men are coming from than the extreme feminists. The extreme feminists who I'm referring to are the ones who say they don't need men and women can do it all on their own. I think in this community, most people would agree that's not the case. Men provide a lot for women.

We are definitely not like extreme feminists because we don't expect anyone to follow our own personal rules and beliefs and we don't actively get laws changed to follow our own person rules and beliefs.

Feminism and, by extension, extreme feminism runs in a collective state which requires that everyone around them, whether they're feminists or not must run by their feminist ideological rule set.

MGTOW is a personal ideology and requires nothing from anyone outside of yourself. As individuals, you make your own decisions as to what you need and want and what you don't need and want.

On that same token, women also provide a lot for men. Men can't do it all on their own, either. Whether we like it or not, us guys need women emotionally, sexually, and even practically. Since a young age, who always hugged us and told us everything would be okay? Women. Who always made sure we were eating enough made sure we weren't cold outside? Women. Who was there to talk to us about things we'd be embarrassed to talk about with guy friends? Women. As adults, who did we fantasize about or have physical intimacy with in order to relieve stress? Women. Who makes sure we can experience the joy of having kids and carrying on the family? Women.

When I was a child, I needed both my parents in my life to provide for me and to teach me various things. As a child, many adults played a role in guiding me into adulthood because that was their role.

As an adult, I am my own man, I make my own decisions, I have my own responsibilities, my life is my life to do with. My parents are there in the background, but I no longer require them to provide for me and guide me in life. They've both retired and they're enjoying their retirement years travelling and such. Good for them. They're enjoying going their own way, I'm enjoying going my own way.

In my early 20s, after I had enough of exploring women, I made a concious decision to put aside women and to focus on my work, my education and self-improvement. I spent many years working, going back to university to get an education and doing various things to improve on my life when it finally hit me.

I had gotten to a stage where I had everything I wanted and needed. I have an excellent house, a great car, an enjoyable career and my life is built on a very solid foundation because of all the work I put into it.

I did all of this without a woman in my life and I realised that I was better off this way.

I told myself that I would be okay because I took my own well-being into my own hands. I made sure I was eating well and made sure to wear a jacket so I wouldn't be cold outside because I understood the value of making good decisions. I befriending good people who I could talk to about sensitive subjects because they have earned my trust and loyalty just as I have earned theirs. I relieve my own stress through various methods, it's my body and my mind and therefore my own responsibility. As for children, I don't want children so I have no need for a woman.

In fact, considering I've taken care of myself for a very long time since I became an adult, I have all but confirmed the fact that I don't need a woman in my life to do anything.

Like it or not, women are important to us and we need them... just like they need us. A lot of guys on MGTOW complain that women use guys for security, stability, money, and to take care of them. But we use women for emotional safety, love, sex, and children. That's just biology. Do some men and some women manipulate the opposite sex for these purposes? Yes. And that's wrong. But is it wrong to want those things from the opposite sex? I don't think so.

If women are important to you or someone else here, that's your business and that's their business individually. I have discovered that I don't need women in my life and I don't really care if they need me or not. I also don't use women because I don't need them in the first place. I also don't particularly care what other people think or do in regard to the opposite sex. Those are their issues to work out for themselves.

I know where I stand.

I think in today's world, with all this he said she said... with all this resentment... men and women need to come together and realize we need each other. We all need each other. That's love. When a man and a woman work together and respect each other and love each other for who they are made to be, that is love.

Whatever, if other people want to do that, it's their choice. If I want to not do that, it's my choice. Nothing you can do about that expect spout flowery nonsense in your tiny corner of existence.

I'm not trying to place all the blame on men here. I know many men get screwed over by certain women. But why MGTOW? Why go to that extreme? Take the high road. Don't do what the extreme feminists do. Don't play that game. If MGTOW is just a way to take a break from dating and focus on yourself, I think that's fine. But it saddens me that some men want to pretend that men don't need women. We do need women... and women need us. We all need each other and that's nature.

I put this out as a call to action for both men and women to stop the hate of the opposite sex and just realize we need to accept each other and work together even though it's not always easy. I share many of the frustrations of you MGTOW men, but I want to do something about it instead of run away from it.

I've already gone over this previously, so re-read my previous responses if you still don't understand.

In addition to those previous paragraphs, I'll add this:

Part of human nature is the biological drive to procreate, this is true. However, human nature involves a lot of different instincts, not just the ones that drive procreation. We also have the drive for self preservation. In certain states, the drive for self preservation can override the drive to procreate.

This is what you're seeing with MGTOW right now. If you're trying to convince people here to change, you're barking up the wrong tree. The only way MGTOW will cease to exist is if you change certain aspects of society around us to stop us from relying on your drive for self preservation enough to get that procreation drive to kick back in.

But you're not doing that, instead you're pushing us further into protecting ourselves by poking at us and insinuating that MGTOW are the problem.

MGTOW didn't cause any of this to happen, we're just a symptom of the happenings of our gynocentric society around us. If you want MGTOW to disappear, out there is where you focus your attention. If your plan is to try to "save" those who have already gone MGTOW, then you're wasting your time. We're already lost to you and to all the women out there, we've made our decisions and we're sticking to them.

And if you really want to "fight the good fight" and all that garbage, seek out the MRAs (Men's Rights Activists) and join up with them. You'll get absolutely NOTHING from anyone here.

slyn69 · 2017-09-16T05:53:54+00:00

this mgtow shit was a long long long time in the making my friend. i heard about it ten years ago and i thought it was ridiculous. but ten years of dating, and having female friends, and seeing all my friends relationships with women....everything mgtow teaches is 100% accurate. most men do not become a mgtow lightly. its from years and years of experiences with women. the lucky ones avoid serious emotional and financial ruin, but i needed to find out for myself. i was always anti marriage, but i was not opposed to monogamous girlfriends and i was not opposed to cohabitation. now i absolutely am.

aanarchist · 2017-09-16T05:25:09+00:00

it's not gonna happen until the women make up for the damage they've done on a collective level, which won't happen until women wake up and realize the systematic abuse of men that they themselves are a part of. it's very easy but they can't so much as swallow their pride and apologize. there's no such thing as emotional safety with a woman, not in this society. women don't think they need men because the government is milking male tax dollars to provide them with free shit, and until the government programs are gone the female entitlement isn't going anywhere. it's not about men not needing women, it's the equivilant of a thirsty man drinking from a poisoned well. he's not gonna quench his thirst he's just gonna die. it's not a man's job to undo a woman's mistakes, he's not her father, and he's not responsible anymore for a woman's actions because she got her free rights to do what she wants and make her own decisions. the women need to feel the full brunt of the law of cause and effect, they need to experience the collective consequences of their actions, and then they need to make the decision from there to treat men as human beings rather than human doings because they've learned what happens when they don't and men have enough.

Deadpanpancakes · 2017-09-16T05:25:53+00:00

I think the majority of us know that ultimately - men and women need each other to some degree. We've coadapted through time to complement each other. We are a sexually reproducing species and therefore our entire nature is intertwined with the nature of women. Feminism allowed women to shake off their responsibilites as the other half of this ancient equation while simultaneously demanding more and more rights. They've been liberated and lifted to the point where any individual woman can do no wrong. All roads lead to the cheering on of the crowd. Under such circumstances, why would they not live selfishly? To ride the cock carousel through their best years and then seek a provider when they are post-wall. Oh, but remember how all roads lead to the cheering on of crowds? The crowd continues to cheer when they decide that their provider is boring and they'd like to go back into the dating circuit. They also get to destroy their provider when they cheat on him and take everything he's got.

I get that one of our primary drives is the pursuit of women or the survival of the species but that comes second to the of survival of the self. I wont be lineing up to roll the dice to see whether I'll be sacrificed for the sake of the world. Im going my own way.

Feminism isnt similar to mgtow. Feminism has goals. Mgtow is just a phenomenon of men shuddering off the lies we've been fed. There is no unified movement with mgtow, just an observable reality of men going their own way.

goodbeertimes · 2017-09-16T05:59:29+00:00

Whether we like it or not, us guys need women emotionally, sexually, and even practically.

Women yaked, yaked and yaked ad nauseum about emotions and you started to feel them. No man has any use of the emotions that you are referring to.

Since a young age, who always hugged us and told us everything would be okay?

I don't have this experience and even if I did, I don't that's a valuable one. Nothing would be okay by itself unless you lift up your ass and do something about it. Thats the message that needs to be driven right from childhood. Thats the training a boy should receive to grow into a productive, dependable and individual man.

You train to be a Basketball champion, Chess grandmaster, body builder, marathon runner and everything under sun. Boys need training to be men and it better start young.

As adults, who did we fantasize about or have physical intimacy with in order to relieve stress? Women

I tell you it didn't turn out well for most of us here. Sex or any intimacy stops six months into marriage and drops out of equation soon and will be used as a bargaining tool.

Like it or not, women are important to us and we need them... just like they need us

You don't have to project your needs on to us. Majority of us here, don't feel such need.

men and women need to come together and realize we need each other. We all need each other. That's love. When a man and a woman work together and respect each other and love each other for who they are made to be, that is love.

Oh my sweet summer child. Few more years into your life, you will realize how little you actually need; and the rest being wants, that change wildly from day to day or week to week and not worth pandering to

Take the high road

You take your road and I'll take mine.

Now only if you could take your proselytizing ass somewhere else, that will make me happy.

Cheers! Don't come here again.

secant128 · 2017-09-16T06:29:03+00:00

Mgtow is not the opposite of feminism or extreme feminism. Anti-feminism and Traditionalism are the opposite of feminism. Mgtow is just a response to both feminism and traditionalism in which both are inherently gynocentric and mgtow on the other hand is for self actualization and freedom instead of being a slave.

iamadirtywizard · 2017-09-16T09:21:40+00:00

OP is very obviously a female. Amateur levels of pretence.

sidel3 · 2017-09-16T13:20:48+00:00

Oh, another call to the plantation. Line up men! You need women like they need you. Get the fuck outta here.

sawyer_whoopass · 2017-09-16T14:42:34+00:00

I fully support myself, do my own cooking, cleaning, shopping, and laundry, and I have a Fleshlight. What, precisely, do I need a woman for?

kingin00 · 2017-09-16T06:23:10+00:00

Wrong... MGTOW and feminism are not alike... egalitarianism is not real... different factors are contributing/fueling a slightly different outcome... different intentions... also MGTOW doesn't try and deny reality

BooDoug · 2017-09-16T06:21:45+00:00

Need is NOT love.

Wake up! r/MgtowBooks

Title	My thoughts on MGTOW
Author	Smoothridetothe5
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Date	September 16, 2017 5:05 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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