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Choice C: Dont get cucked. Only win shit. Dont give any of your resources to society or women for free.

Let society collapse. And rebuild itself on the premise, that men owe nothing to women or to society. If you want a blowjob, sure you can pay for it, im sure by then it will be almost free. But you should never marry, or pay taxes. And you definitely shouldnt be wasting your time thinking about having kids, because you dont have a vagina. Men are from Mars, we were made to be free.

Society and history brainwashed men to be romantic and needy, and think about non-issues that are not even natural to our biology like thinking about having kids. Most men were trapped in history by women, or by accident. Most of us are not willing to be fathers.

Baby rabies is the biology of women, not men. Of course society wants you cucked to a family instead of being a free barbarian, because thats the easiest way to domesticate you.

The only natural instinct in men when it comes to women, is to bang them. The rest, relationships and wondering about a unicorn, spend a lifetime around her or whatever she spawns from her vagina, are all mental illnesses, and coping mechanisms of weak men or men without purpose.

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I dont buy it man. All tradcucks did was keep women at just above acceptable standards, so to keep the illusion for the economy, the family, and men competing.

Ultimately it was still system put in place for women. Where men killed each other in wars, and at work, to provide for a family that he didnt even have a way to know it was his. We still know 80% of men in history did not reproduce. So some things really never changed.

Just like religion. It was invented to protect women from the natural standard behavior of men to go mgtow and live single, and thats what the system and women are mostly afraid. To the point they will create religions that restrict all the other cunts behavior so to keep men in the plantation.

In tradcuck times you were regarded as suspicious if you were single. You were just branded as a homosexual or a misfit. It did not look good.

Whiteknighting was systemic. Talking about men getting lynched based on the words of woman.

> Laws set to make divorce hard to get

That is just as bad for men.

> Whoreish behavior was shamed

This tends to backfire and benefit women. And i will explain you why. Females have lower libido than men. If you control female whoreish behavior, then a lot of men will only find avenue for their sexual frustration through marriage. Needless to say who benefits the most from that restriction is women, but also society. Its like a major nofap. It skyrockets females value to the point men buy diamonds and kill each other in wars for them.

Then after that, your opinion is irrelevant. No matter how much reasoning there is behind what you say. You will not be able to reason with armies of thirsty men who want to get married at all costs, and will kill you for that. Then you want to undo that and its very hard. We are lucky we got to see the true female nature in the last decades. Its a priviledge our ancestors could only dream of.

And to be fair, nowadays women are having sex with only the top men. But that is never the problem. The problem is taxes, and men being cucks and commiting to these women anyways.

> Being a stay at home wasn’t socially shamed

You must never have cohabitated. After a few months you want her out, but you are half confused with oneitis and at the some time you become a shadow of your former self. Its looks like a mental illness.

The solution is: Men should be free, and every single thing females get from us should not be handed for free, at least this. We should not pay any taxes. And we should be left the fuck alone.

We should bang them and pay as you go if thats what you want. But never, be slaves as we are now, or in tradcuck times.

> If a bitch nagged at you you could exercise your pimp hand and not be put In jail

Except you got lynched by her family, and a bunch of whiteknights, based on her word that you violated her honor.

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Of course it was better man. But it was different times.

The things you are pointing out are disregarding the context. Obesity was not shamed, simply because nobody was fat. Food had way more quality. Nowadays no matter what diet you do, unless you eat grass fed high quality meat only. You will get screwed.

People ate well, and were satiated. Right now, people eat but are still starving. Even the water had more quality.

It was a different world.

Right now. We are starting to see the symptoms of the Mouse Utopia Experiment effect.

The points you make are good in a society that needs booming.

One could say North America was better before when the Europeans arrived, of course, it had all its resources.

Or Europe was richer before the Romans exploited half of its resources.

Saying now we could make tradcuck society come back, would not work, because men no longer want to commit. And even if you forced men to commit and become tradcucks, then they would be real cucks, because women have tinder and etc...

I know you didnt say this. But we are living different times. We have internet. And we have access to all the info. Something even in the 90's was scarce, and they could only dream of. And i remind you that the 90's were shit, and still had traces of tradcuck, and thats why it was so bad. The traces of tradcuck in the 90's, half imposed by hypocrite baby boomers that didnt abide by conservative morals anyways but wanted them imposed on the millenials, is exactly what cause the millenials to go full pop corn.

This should be a sign for you to understand that tradcuck is exactly what enables the society where we are living today. It is part of the spiral of events in a declining civilization. Mind you that all strong civilizations start with free unattached men, that are not afraid, they have little to lose and a lot to gain, but they never have women telling them what to do, and they dont have women that they must protect, or look after, so its really the opposite of tradcuck. That was the start of Rome. They started as a patriarchal tribe that looked like a gang. So much there was no women around that they kidnapped the Sabines to make babies ahaha.

We hate feminism, but we often dont realize we would know nothing if havent seen it. All we had was the dogma of the religions that protected us. We didnt have any of this knowledge before.

today women are socialized to act like men. It’s a huge reason why I’m MGTOW

Half of the women in the world still act feminine. Thats a poor excuse to be a mgtow, imo. And if thats the case, then once you get some status and some money, a woman will appear in your life and just tweak a little bit her behavior and you are back in the plantation.

Mgtow is the standard behavior of free men, who naturally want to live their lives free and see family life and attachment to one woman as boring. If you dont see commitment to one woman as boring, and if you believe it is a good idea, you either didnt experience it enough, or perhaps you are still on your way to mgtow.

chicks were socialized to marry young so a guy at least got his wife’s best years

Thats good. For the family. For society. But is it really good for men? I was born in an era where to bang a woman it was not that socially acceptable. And thats pretty much what we men want. Any men telling you he wants a female for kisses and romance and bullshit, is lying. We really want to bang them, and we are later duped into a relationship. Happens most of the time.

getting a virgin on her wedding night was imperative

I give you two options. Choose. You can have your virgin, but you must never leave her, you must stay with her for the rest of your life, no matter what happens. Thats it, you will only bang one woman, you will have no idea about anything else. You will see her everyday. All your friends and most men in society do the same. You cant leave her, and if you do you will be ostracized. You are tired and bored, yet you think you are the only men feeling that way, and you have no way to know if other men rather be single too. So you just stuck it out.

Or you can do whatever the fuck you like, and be free for the rest of your life, and if you want you can bang more women than a king banged in the past.

Some men only learn the hard way. Some men love slavery and dont understand how good they can live their lives.

Both systems are set up for women What is better about today’s system?

The other was better for society not necessarily better for men.

Todays system is worse in a lot of things, and it will get worse. It will get more competitive. Cities will keep growing. Economy will keep getting strained. We dont need tradcuck times, we need a fucking blackplague and fast.

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I know you are not a tradcuck. Didnt mean to say you were.

My last comment explains better the context where we are. Nothing is better in todays system. And it will get worse. You have to understand that tradcuck times was shit. Just because it was not absolute shit, it doesnt mean it was not shit. Read my last comment to get more insight into why even if we remained tradcuck society would at some point degenerate anyways. Societies are an organic thing. They all rise and fall. Tradcuck is a coping mechanism. Men must be free, and any system that starts with laws imposed on men, and where men must abide and contribute regardless is a messed up system.

Nature basically functions in a way where your resources must not be extracted from you unless and maybe, if you get a blowjob. But even that must be pay as you go. And you must be free to leave anytime. Because if you are not free to leave, then that doesnt work, and women dont respect that.

In other words, nature is designed in such a way, that you are either a free man, or you are domesticated man. Tradcuck times allowed weak men to be commited to women, while protecting them from the backlash of living in an unatural way.

All men that cohabitate with the same woman for long become a shadow of their former selves. Tradcuck culture allowed all kinds of men to be complacent, and thats what originated the final blow to it, the baby boomers. Baby boomers ruined tradcuck culture because they wanted to eat the cake and have it too. They were not conservative yet they want to claim the benefits of traditionalism.

The old system worked only because there was no internet. Those from the old system would love to have had the opportunity to bang women without marrying. Forcing traditionalism today would not be opposed by women, it would opposed by men who want to remain free.

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Wow good write up!

Chicks being un feminine started me on the road to MGTOW. My ex wife successfully conned me into thinking she was feminine but over time showed her true colors.

Her trying to be masculine like me felt off. Little did I know it kicked off awakened while married conversion to MGTOW.

What’s the outcome here? Now that I see women for what they really are I’m disgusted. Fleshlight and the occasional working girl for me if I have to

You hit on a good point about white knighting. I can no longer fathom the white knight impulse. Maybe for family women like my mother and daughters. But with non family women The way they act today they haven’t earned it

what is the best course of action? It doesn’t feel like The MRA route has had an impact in getting gynocentric laws repealed

Gynocentric culture hasn’t imploded yet. They keep ruining shit we love like Bonf

Hell even when Gillette got Huge backlash for crapping on men their CEO said it was worth it ETC

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My ex wife successfully conned me into thinking she was feminine but over time showed her true colors.

This is not always women fault. Women resent men that are commited to them. They might love you, or use to. But the moment they see you are locked, they slowly lose attraction, and they slowly become unfeminine.

Its biology. You are never supposed to stay long term with a woman. It means in the eyes of nature that you were domesticated. And women cant help it than seeing you in a bad light, even if they love you. Some will go through big efforts to stay with you, but their instincts and emotions will tell them to leave you.

So. In your case like in my case in LTRs, and most other men. You were probably a super alpha dude that was free and enjoying life when you met her. You had a sport, and your friends, and probably you were banging other women. That will make a woman like you and become feminine, because they perceive strenght in men that are alone and happy.

The more you stay in that LTR, the more you contradict that perception. And women being an organic creature will evolve and adapt. Thats why they become unfeminine. Because of long term commitment and monogamy, that an once free man, resigns to.

What’s the outcome here? Now that I see women for what they really are I’m disgusted.

Its not women that im disgusted at. Im only disgusted at society as it is. If society left me alone and didnt force me to pay taxes and deal with their bullshit, then would there be any problem with women? I dont think so. I would be far away from them if i wanted to.

Women are part of nature. You cant be disgusted at wolves for hunting sheep. However if you are forced to leave among the sheep, and treated as a sheep, are you supposed to be angry at wolves or at the shepherd? Are you disgusted at women because you expected something different from them? That is entirely the fault of society that lied to you, not necessarily women. Women are organic creatures, and their actions reflect on their nature and instincts of survival.

I can no longer fathom the white knight impulse. Maybe for family women like my mother and daughters.

That is not whiteknighting. That is protecting your own blood. Im sure if your mother and daughter killed a man, or falsely accuse them and you knew it, you would know it is wrong, or would you add insult to injury and destroy the man that is defending himself? Thats what whiteknights would do, to say the least.

what is the best course of action? It doesn’t feel like The MRA route has had an impact in getting gynocentric laws repealed

Women love mras. Women know they have power when they see you debating and arguing with them. They know also you must be retarded or too weak to even waste your time trying to bargain with them. Its like a sheep begging for mercy to a wolf. The only thing women truly respect, and it has been this way since the dawn of time, is men packing their bags and leave them behind on their own. Too bad they often trace us, and go after the new civilization we build. And that is because they cant thrive without men, and to survive they will always go after us.

Gynocentric culture hasn’t imploded yet. They keep ruining shit we love like Bonf Hell even when Gillette got Huge backlash for crapping on men their CEO said it was worth it ETC

Im not religious. But both the bible and the quran say, that in the end of times, it is irrelevant, because some men will speak the truth but nobody will listen. Until everything is burning down around them, and still they dont listen. Therefore, through oral tradition (religion), we know that past civilizations not only collapsed, they had no other chance, than collapsing.

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You make awesome points as usual. You’re right but one thing still gnaws at me

The one problem with blaming culture and not women is aren’t we still enabling their bad behavior?

I concede this kind of dredges up old RPR of women successfully having it both ways.

They say they’re smart Independent and can make their own decisions

Yet they successfully deflect responsibility for their actions and are always bailed out.

I’m 39. Whatever happened to don’t provoke men? Whatever happened to if you’re not going to fight if you can’t fight or won’t fight shut your mouth?

Quite frankly I’m a tad jealous they were able to pull this off. Karma doesn’t bite them in the ass for anything

My own ex wife said she was blameless for our split. I am almost jealous at the blame shifting

When I was in school I got into a few fights where girls violently swung at me first. I got reprimanded for saying OK if you act like a man and hit me I’ll treat you like a man and crack you in the jaw back.

If I have to throw you down a flight of stairs to teach you a lesson I will.

I didn’t even do it I just said it. Yet they always skated

My own father said walk away. His words are The bitch deserves to get slapped around Ike Turner style but it will stay with you the rest of your life.

Your thoughts?

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The one problem with blaming culture and not women is aren’t we still enabling their bad behavior?

If you dont enable their bad behavior, you will be the only one doing that. Even most mgtows know that, that is a complete waste of time.

For each man doing what is right and what is moral, there are a million spoiling everything.

So definitely it is true, that women are herd creatures and adapt and submit to their surroundings for survival. So it is the fault of society not women. Although, obviously, just because it is the fault of society, it doesnt mean it is not entirely legitimate for you to defend yourself and put any bitch you can in her place, that of course.

So. Other words what enables bad behavior from women, is not women themselves, its the culture, its society. Society is most of the times subservient to the whims of women, and if it was not at some point, it didnt last much until it was.

Therefore. If you want to change this culture, and you are rational. You have to understand that for all your good efforts to try to fix it, it is mostly irrelevant, because even if you by any stroke of luck, got to have any impact, meaning you would help fix society, that would reinforce this same society that would absorb your efforts and still act the same way its roots are set to be.

Men will often go on civil wars, for example in the roman empire. To try to fix the problem, to erradicate weakness and rehabilitate the freedoms of men, but at the expense great destruction and efforts, and in the end the spoils are again claimed by a society that serves women.

In the end, men realize they have nothing else to do, and they go full pop corn. But even when they go full pop corn, empires adapt, and last for centuries. And even when they are forced to hire mercenaries, because arming men will have them turned against you. Even then, when everything is burning around, and society is getting chopped into pieces by more straightforward meritocratic barbarians, they cant still change their ways. Its almost like a law of nature. You have to let it collapse, and resist your temptation to be captain save a hoe, or else the process of decline will just take longer and more creative.

Yet they successfully deflect responsibility for their actions and are always bailed out.

Yes. The thing is that, you have to situate yourself in the context. Sure what is right was to put all these women in their place. But the context isnt that. The context is you will only waste yourself. Things are bad enough right now, even for women, and nobody still wants to listen.

We both know very well, that whiteknights and the bluepill never learn unless it is done to them right in their face. And even then some of them dont understand because they are cowards, and they rather blame themselves, than women. So you have to let nature run its course, and karma will get these men.

It is highly counterproductive to try to save a woman or a society that set itself up even when warned repeatedly. If you save them, you are just communicating that they dont have any accountability.

The mgtow tactic, is basically a guerrilla tactic. Its withdrawing and forcing women to deal with weak men. From far away we watch as society gets its karma. We starve them of resources, contribuition and validation. They soon start eating each other. Thats what accountability is, and the only accountability that works and that they understand.

Once their society collapses. New groups will emerge. I know it sounds scary but it isnt. Sure some comforts we will lose. But who needs comforts when you have liberty.

Remember how many in the fall of Rome, joined the barbarians. Big chunks of the empire broke away.

Its like having a big corporation a big empire, that has no competition. Or having small companies that all are held accountable because free men can choose between. Way better. The same applies to women. I give you another example:

Lets say you are working in a company with 60% females. And they start accusing you of being a mysoginist because you dont talk much with them. Soon you are accused of more serious stuff, whiteknights side with women, the boss sides with women, the authorities side with women. What do you think will work to fight that? Fight them directly? You lose. Try to make them accountable or call them to reason? It is still a losing game, and exactly what they expect.

But what if you. Before it even happens, you see it coming and you withdraw. You look for another job. Or you create your own business. You completely boycott these companies, and at the first sign of bullshit you are out. What do you think will happen? Thats the true accoutability women understand, because everything you say, its a bargain, but walking away and leaving them behind to fight amonst them and be miserable and then blame the other men left still around them (those whiteknights). If that isnt what works best, brother. That is devastating and the only thing that works.

And the main reason why tradcuck and mra doesnt work, its because it still tries to help women by fixing them. While we know we need to leave them behind and give them true accountability, and let them pay the full price for their mistakes.

If you have been in an LTR, you should know that whatever you tell them they dont process. What they process is you withdrawing your attention and resources. It works like a charm. They dont care what you say. They dont even see it.

Quite frankly I’m a tad jealous they were able to pull this off. Karma doesn’t bite them in the ass for anything

You would think it doesn't. You are 39. You are a gen x. Im a millenial. The baby boomers fucked your generation and mine over. Even if we wanted all we could do was go full pop corn. As a gen x you still tried to fix and believe women. But millenials grew up in an environment where we needed to be apathetic and nihilistic, because we know there is no point in anything else. You as a gen x, you think women are not being held accountable, but the truth is right now they are extremelly unhappy, while men are becoming more happy.

Most of the women on my fb, are single, completely desperate. Those that have kids are mostly single mothers. Others that are more stable in reality if you look deep are unhappy and making guys around them unhappy. If you think they are not being held accountable watch closely, because they are and things will get even worse.

A lot of Men of my generation grew up listening to rap music, that tells you to fuck bitches and only think about yourself. It is not the simp romantic stuff you use to listen in the 90's. These women have been pumped and dumped to oblivion, and men want nothing to do with them, except that.

My own ex wife said she was blameless for our split. I am almost jealous at the blame shifting

Read Michelle Langley, Women's infidelity. Its in their nature as a survival instinct to perceive it as your fault. Read that. One of the most important books on female psychology.

When I was in school I got into a few fights where girls violently swung at me first. I got reprimanded for saying OK if you act like a man and hit me I’ll treat you like a man and crack you in the jaw back.

Same with me. But also by fighting other kids that were in the wrong. But one of them bitches i slaped in the face fell for me because i put her in her place, ahahaha. It is what it is.

My own father said walk away. His words are The bitch deserves to get slapped around Ike Turner style but it will stay with you the rest of your life.

Your father is right. But it is best for you, to protect yourself, and avoid being the father these women never had. Because if you dont brother, you will end up in jail.

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Title	Not anymore
Author	___DeadInside___
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Date	August 23, 2019 10:25 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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