Here is the thread in question, which is more than four years old. Read few comments and see if it is any different from MGTOW folk. There are many more out there, not just 30 K. Anyway, here are few excerpts
My dad always told me two things ; never get married, never have kids. And this is coming from one of the best dad ever, he always took care of us, and my mom. He gave his 110% in everything, we are very close, he had numerous opportunities to cheat with beautiful women during his time married, but always avoided it. My mom however, took off with a millionaire to travel the world at the first chance she had, and left my dad behind. I resent her for that. There is nothing more painful than to come home from a friends around midnight, all the lights in the house are off, and when I turn them on to see where I'm walking, I see my dad in the corner with his head down sipping on hard liquor. I think women just act in the moment and have selfish tendencies, while men consider all the adverse effects. Hence why I think men resist marriage more.
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This is not necessarily the case. There was a post a few days ago in either /r/askwomen or /r/askmen asking whether or not women tend not to think about their man's feelings and the consensus was that a lot of women expect their SO to constantly think about their feelings and take care of their needs, but rarely give their SO's feelings any thought at all. This is exactly how my marriage was and probably the biggest reason it ended. My ex-wife expected me to constantly be thoughtful and romantic and take care of her every need while my needs were never met - ever. Societal roles for marriage dictate that the man is the provider and care taker while women, for the most part, are expected to be the primary parent. Women are encouraged to marry so that they will always have someone to take care of them, while men are encouraged not to marry because being solely responsible for someone else's happiness can really suck the life out of you.
If you find it your responsibility to ensure that your SO is as happy as he can be, that's awesome. But you are among the minority in that respect. That responsibility is usually a one-way street going the other direction.
If I could find a woman who made an effort to give an equal amount of care as she required from me, I might get married again. But too often I hear the same thing from women, "I just want a man who'll take care of me." That line is never followed by the phrase, "and who I can take care of."
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Same. I've met wonderful women, but none of whom i would trust with any of my networth. You even hear stuff like "but they were common law" and that scares me. So if a girl sleeps over enough, she's magically part of financial responsiblity? It's a terrifying world. Marraige offers me nothing, except for uncertainty and the possibility for ruin. Kids? Forget about it. Never. The only way i would consider it, at all, would be to become involved with someone in my identical financial situation. Mind you, i live in a city which is notorious for it's douchbaggery and it's moneygrubbery. I literally overheard a gorgeous waitress telling her friend her life's plan was to "marry one of these jerks" - after work bar patrons - so she's "set up" then "find love in my 30's". Sent chills down my spine.
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Yup, so far my divorce has cost me an estimated £230,000, my house, access to my kids for nearly 2 years which gave my ex-wife plenty of time to poison them against me, my son was fairly quick to open up to me but has taken nearly 3 years to re-connect with my daughter. I am VERY distrustful of women now. I am unwilling to go on a date and now live a sad pathetic life in a 2 bedroom flat (Apartment). I am no longer the sole owner my own business, I have had to go into partnership with a friend simply to stop everything being sold out from under me. If that had happened it would not just have hit me, it would have put all my staff out of work as well.
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It sounds easy, but I know a few guys who had their wives /tell/ them that they were going to quit their job and stay home with the kids. It wasn't a discussion. This was a woman who was highly educated, career minded, successful, and making more money than my friend. She had already put in her notice when she told her husband. From the outside looking in it wasn't a symptom of having married a shitty person. She just made the decision and that was that. Up until then if you asked anyone who knew them they'd have told you no way in hell she would ever give up her career.
Now my friend is on the hook for providing for his family while his wife refuses to go back to work. Also, if they got divorced over this, he would be on the hook for quite a bit since she is now a stay-at-home parent. Whether that is common or not is something to debate. The real message that guys hear from that though is: you never know what will happened
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Because a marriage contract to a man in the Western world means writing an option to the woman at a strike price of lawyer fees that that the woman can execute to seize half of the marital assets while securing an annuity from the man for child care. This annuity is enforced by family court and can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
Many women execute this option, because it's such an attractive financial arrangement. That's what 'no-fault' divorce is; a financial contract that's suicidal for any man. Any corporate officer would be fired for constructing a deal with such adverse terms for his employer. Yet, we consider it 'normal' for modern marriages to be constructed on ridiculously shoddy contractual grounds.
Women don't get this message to avoid marriage because it's the best possible financial arrangement that anyone can find. It's a free option that can be executed for awesome amounts of wealth.
The next time you see an article that asks "where have all the good men gone," the answer is that men of means achieved that success by not being fucking retarded in financial matters. Intelligent men don't write free options to women with a nice personality and a good rack for more than half of their net worth.
Nigerian Princes offer better terms than Western marriage contracts. Our fathers had the excuse of cultural inertia to believe that they were exceptions to the phenomenal power of economic incentives, but we're not so blind. We've seen how good men and good women can be turned against one another en masse by horrific incentive structures, and how children become collateral damage in the process.
I would love to sign a traditional marriage contract. Many other 'good men' would. That's not an option here in the West. We make due with the broken legal system we have by avoiding writing dangerous contracts.
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fucking true. When my ex GF decided she didn't want sex anymore until marriage I asked her shouldn't I have a say in the matter? We had been fucking for 2 years, going cold turkey was fucking painful. I was open to marriage but wasn't quite ready. I asked, "How about we not have a sex until a month before marriage?". She laughs. I asked if she had any empathy for my feelings of needing physical intimacy and then having that cut off? Her answer? "I don't have any empathy for your sexual needs".
So fucking glad I didn't marry that bait and switch.
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