Religious MGTOWs

joblessguy10 · 2015-06-18T16:02:39+00:00

I used to be a Shia Muslim but after careful examination of my beliefs, I became an atheist, but not for the typical mainstream view that Islam "oppresses" women, which is in fact bullshit. I tried to justify my stance on women through NAWALT, but as time moved on I saw that AWALT.

Islam often told it like it is, including telling men to keep your gaze away from big ass sluts and not to touch their privates (masturbation). Women, hypergamy, and gynocentrism is one of the reasons why I lost faith in God and religion: how can a God create such creatures that are so manipulative and deceitful and gynocentric? Why would God create women to like giant cocks and tall guys? I couldn't find any answer from religion, but evolution by natural selection had the answers. Why am I short, undesirable, useless, disposable? From there, I asked other non female related questions, and I finally lost my faith. Biology explained things to me and MGTOW philosophy is my enlightenment.

To answer your question, in Islam, marriage isn't a requirement, but it is viewed as very necessary to "complete" one's faith, especially for men.

Islam actually caters to women at the expense of men--or at least the general gynocentric tendencies, which is enabled through marriage. In marriage, men are supposed to work their asses off in support of women, and produce children to expand the faith. Often times, the man and woman have to produce more than 3 offspring and the man will have to slave his life away supporting them. In turn, the kids support then in their old age. Bad system, bad idea.

Ali, one of Islam's greatest and most important figures, also said it like it is in many of his sayings concerning women, in a collection entitled Nah'jul Bala'ga:

Woman is a scorpion whose grip is sweet.
Your society will pass through a period when cunning and crafty intriguers will be favored by status, when profligates will be considered as well-bred, well-behaved and elegant elites of the society, when just and honest persons will be considered as weaklings, when charity will be considered as a loss to wealth and property, when support and help to each other will be considered as favor and benevolence and when prayers and worship to Allah will be taken up for the sake of show to gain popularity and higher status, at such times regimes will be run under the advice of women and the youngsters will be the rulers and counselors of the State.
You were the army of a woman and in the command of a quadruped. When it grumbled you responded, and when it was wounded (hamstrung) you fled away. Your character is low and your pledge is broken. Your faith is hypocrisy. [Prophet's said "That people who assigned their affairs (of state) to a woman would never prosper", which is probably the reference to being 'the army of a woman']
As regards a certain woman, she is in the grip of womanly views, and malice is boiling in her bosom like the furnace of the blacksmith.
Do not seek the advice of women, their verdicts are often immature and incorrect and their determinations are not firm. You must guard and defend them and act as a shelter to protect them from impious and injurious surroundings and infamous sights, this kind of shelter will keep them well-protected from every harm. Their contact with a vicious and sinful atmosphere (even with all the shelter that you can provide) is going to prove more harmful than being left with protection. Do not let them interfere with affairs where you cannot personally guide or protect them. Do not let them aspire for things which are beyond their capacities. They are more like decoration to humanity and are not made to rule and govern humanity. Exhibit reasonable interest in things which they desire and give importance to them, but do not let them influence your opinions and do not let them impel you to go against your sane views.

Of course, these sayings have caused so much anger and butthurt from Shia women with big round asses and tits; and from my experiences from Arab women, Ali was right all along. I was way too blue pill to see what he meant and I disregarded these sayings for a long time, until I saw more and more women who behave, act, and think just the way he describes. I asked myself, "Why should I get married to someone like that?"

Islam places a great emphasis on getting married and the belief that "a woman competes a man's religion ("deen"). If a man doesn't get married, he is incomplete (religiously,spiritually and emotionally).

Shia Islam has a concept called temporary marriage (mut'ah), which is essentially a short marriage contract that can last from a minute to years. Men, if they're attractive and desirable enough, will use this to get laid. This is a concept that was instilled by the Prophet Muhammad and Shia Islam's highly revered Imams, because they understood men's needs and desires. It was also created for the distant traveler in mind, away from his wives. What's funny though is that temporary marriage is a much maligned concept by women (and funny enough, used by the horniest big ass women) and gynocentric trad-con parents. How does a man approach a woman for his sexual needs? But lucky for men, if a woman is of age (18 and above), she doesn't need the consent of her parents to fuck a guy, but you've got go be tall, dark, handsome, or very rich to fuck some Arab slut's ass. A guy likewise doesn't need the consent of his parents. Even in today's social and cultural climate, temporary marriage evokes the disgust of women and trad-cons across the Shia world. Temporary marriage is hated but only used by women when they get the wets for tall, dark, and handsome Alladin with a 9 inch cock. Me and my friends have many stories of horny hijabi's (scarfies) with nice and big round asses, small waist, and nice tits, and how they get rammed, most probably through temporary marriage--but in today's world, I doubt that as well.

If I was a religious MGTOW, it would be impossible for me to live a good Muslim life here in the West, since masturbation and pornography will subject you to eternal damnation with hell all around, and marriage to women will condemn me to earthly damnation, filled with no sex, then child support, and then spousal support.

Isaiah4verse1 · 2015-06-18T19:03:40+00:00

Christianity actually recommends men stay single in 1 corinthians 7.

Xuixien_TheEpic · 2015-06-18T22:20:06+00:00

I practice Buddhism. Note I did not say "I am a Buddhist". Buddhism is not really a religion, as there is no deity or anything like that (although some Buddhists do believe in spirits and such, a Buddhist practice is not contingent on said beliefs).

I find Buddhism is very compatible with my life and views regarding atheism and going my own way.

Buddha was the ultimate MGTOW. He grew up in a palace with everything he wanted; all the food, music, and women he wanted. He got married and even had a son. But one day he said "These things are not the key to happiness." and left. He studied under different spiritual teachers before finally saying "Fuck this, this does not provide my answer." He then went and attained enlightenment his own way.

moosevice_dot_com · 2015-06-18T15:38:13+00:00

Thou Shalt Lift
Thou Shalt Earn Money
Thou Shalt Find Happiness thru Passions
Thou Shalt Keep Friends/Family Close
Thou Shalt Keep Women On Your Terms Only

neutron_ · 2015-06-18T17:31:27+00:00

I believe religion is our answer when govt start forcing people to marry. Even though I am an atheist, I'll say I'm a catholic priest and the constitution will protect me. Ha ha.

sardinemanR · 2015-06-18T20:03:21+00:00

All the religions actually have very strict rules on women and make them subservient to men.

And all of them have doomsday/end time prophesies where there are far more women than men and these women are all desperate to be married but men won't touch them.

There is no requirement to get married and it's not even preferable when a man can't act according to both his religious rights as well as the burdens. Right now religions place the burdens on men but refuse to give them the God granted rights.

Do not take the Western view of religion, or any mainstream view. If you are Christian, actually read the Bible, Corinthians especially is an excellent starting point, but the Bible is littered with masculinity and the rights of males.

A good post by the Muslim poster below, and I'll add you have to look at the Quran and "sunnah" for Islam. Again these are very masculine and place rules on women.

End time prophesies for all three major religions share so many similarities.

My guess is that the radical feminists win and manage to kill off most of the men somehow. And then only after going along with that plan do women realize what they did, and by then it's too late.

The preference is actually not to marry if you look at things, at least not a non-believing woman. And where are the believing women in this world now? There are none. Even Jesus states a good woman's value is far above rubies, that's because of how rare it is. For Islam it is similar, and those quotes do a good job showing how the great Muslims of the past understood women's nature and created a society where they couldn't cause damage.

These things shift over time, probably that shift is coming within 20 years. If you feel so strongly about marriage, then find a 16 year old virgin in 20 years and marry her. I know in Islam virginity is a requirement for women, and the Prophet Muhammad encouraged older men to marry younger women, so there is no age requirement. The Bible is actually the same too, virginity is a requirement for marriage.

How many Western women can meet that basic requirement? God never urges or orders men to marry unchaste women.

pirate6728 · 2015-06-18T15:41:56+00:00

Not sure how I want to-- or even if I want to-- answer this. Here lately, I've seen some stuff that makes me wonder-- not about my religion, but about people I hang with apart from it.

Now, as it happens I'm twice divorced from the same woman-- so marrying again just isn't on the table.

But, as it happens--- marriage may be require by some churches. It is NOT a requirement for salvation or service biblically. Most believe that Jesus never married-- in fact, given what He knew about the prophesies concerning His life and how He would end up, it's likely that He wouldn't have burdened a woman with certain widowhood.

Paul was unmarried, and in fact recommended that other men who can do so should follow his example. A wife ties you down, being unmarried leaves you free to respond when the Spirit calls you to go.

As far as how God wants me to treat women-- He wants me to treat all people decently. Do evil unto no one, but overcome evil with good--- that sort of thing.

Stopping here, or this post threatens to get too long.

LearnedfrommyMistake · 2015-06-18T18:41:37+00:00

The current Western concept of marriage has nothing in common with the Biblical description. At the time the Bible was written, a wife was the legal property of her husband. Even the commands for a man to love his wife, the word, "Love" that was used was the exact same form as if you were to say today, "I 'love' my car."

You may find little value in describing the differences when you are getting pressured from people in your Church, but stating something like, "Biblical marriage is impossible in today's culture, and I refuse to blaspheme God by engaging in a counterfeit," should be enough to get them off your back.

weirdnamedindian · 2015-06-18T22:30:55+00:00

Christianity doesn't actually place a high value on marriage. Celibacy is the highest ideal in Christianity - imitating Christ and his apostles. But St Paul recommends marriage if you are burning with lust or sexual desire. Better to marry he says rather than burn in this life and the next. As for marriage, it is quite strict, for both the man and the woman. Even Hinduism and Buddhism has a high regard for celibacy. In fact, apart from Mormonism and Islam, most other world religions hold celibacy as the ideal, especially for men who wish to go deeper into their religion.

TheQuestion78 · 2015-06-19T04:16:48+00:00

One of my earliest conceptions of MGTOW/the reason I have come to MGTOW was the fabled "religious monk" archetype. Those men (of both Eastern and Western religions) were the kind to fully give up any sort of "normal" life to embark on an adventure far less traveled. I respected these men because they crafted their own kind of destiny that led them to a way more unique lifestyle than that of their average counterparts.

So imo if you are thinking about those holy men then religion would be pro-MGTOW in that sense. Obviously, in modern times you see a ton of emphasis on marriage and such with the more popular religions but that archetype is still alive even though it is much more a minority these days.

For me personally, I don't consider myself "religious" in the common sense. I am a Deist which is a belief in a passive god that doesn't intervene in this world. Deism also doesn't have a description of said god so I don't even think of the "old man in the sky" sort of thing. With this kind of belief, all I can do is decide how to live my own life. Just like those monks and religious men I idolize. I can't exactly be like them, but MGTOW for me has become a more secular version of their lifestyle.

DarkestJ · 2015-06-19T18:07:25+00:00

This is a subject I have been thinking on for months now. As it stands in today's society, marriage as it was intended is an impossibility. Women were once seen as a man's property and virginity was required for any woman to be fit for a heavenly matrimony, and you'll have more luck finding a unicorn than any girl who can fit that bill.

Though I'm ever approaching the agnostic/atheist mindset, I believe whatever God that would have created women and established aforementioned rules would prefer men acting as the MGTOW-minded gentlemen do. Like the other comments here outlined, there are several passages dictating it better to be a single man and revere his celibacy than dedicate his life to a common slut who thinks herself worthy of attention. What's more MGTOW than that?

SoullessTechnocrat · 2015-06-20T04:35:34+00:00

I'm technically a Hellenist; but with the way things have gone I'm more in awe of Nothingness than anything else. I still find that the Gods are there; but they are antagonistic to us now. (Granted; the belief comes from a myriad of experiences that possibly stem from my mental illness. But that's Alabama for you; everyone here is Religious Crazy--that's why there's more churches per square mile than schools.)

Hellenism to me is really more about Arete (personal excellence) than anything else; which integrates with MGTOW pretty well. (But; when one has no excellence or even mediocrity in oneself, it leads to a falling out of sorts. At least this is the problem for me; being the terrible failure that I am.)

I'm justified by my observations and their conclusions from logic that show me that everything is terrible and that I cannot emerge from it for the better. Since no improvement or benefit can be gained through the supposed companionship of woman; I opt out.

JoshtheAspie · 2015-06-22T05:18:44+00:00

I simply point out that I believe what the bible says.

Proverbs 29:9 It is better to live in a corner of a roof Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

Proverbs 29:19 It is better to live in a desert land Than with a contentious and vexing woman.

1 Corinthians 7:6-9 -- 6 But this I say by way of concession, not of command. 7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. 8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. 9 But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Matt. 19:11–12 "Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it"

Then people reply with the following verses, or sentiments taken from them.

Proverbs 31:22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing And obtains favor from the LORD.

Genesis 2:18 Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone;

There are a number of other verses that get get partially quoted in this way. I don't recall all of them.

However, this is when I point out that there's more to that second verse.

18 Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.

Further, either or both sides might quote Proverbs 31.

My stance is that most women are no longer suitable help-metes, and that I am more likely to find support and aid from a group of friends than from a wife. Also, I place emphasis on a particular part of the following verse.

Proverbs 31:10 An excellent wife, who can find? For her worth is far above jewels.

Also, I ask them to read through the full list of the qualities of the Proverbs 31 excellent wife, and point out that modern women fall short of even half of that list.

People both religious and secular have decried that list as "offensive" or "sexist" or "being held up as a false idol" (yeah, that last one's obviously from the religious community). Women have replied that "that's not me, so I'll just concentrate on being my sassy spunky self." Those responses seem to prove my point.

In the end, Christianity does not demand marriage, and if you know your scripture, you can't be brow-beaten into marriage with scripture.

In fact, I have many family members who understand, or even support my decision not to get married... with the proviso that I remain celibate.

Given the risk that getting sexually involved with a woman holds atm... I don't particularly find this a troubling requirement of my faith.

infoscott · 2015-06-18T22:21:44+00:00

My "religion" is a cobbled together belief system of mysticism and esotericism drawn from Buddhism, Christianity, the Kabbalah, and spiritual alchemy. Because I am a heretic to any organized religion, marriage to me is not a sacrament. However marriage could serve as a business partnership should I find a suitable female business partner. This event is highly unlikely for more than all the reasons that general partnerships in business are a bad idea.

Now keep in mind I am as devout to this belief system as any person in a committed church relationship. One of the tenets is to stay in celibacy unless and until I find a partner worthy of intimacy. So basically no casual sex is allowed, as it interferes with the pursuit of wisdom and purity. My record on celibacy is better than most Christians and Catholics. I have been in relationships that have lasted from six months to two years, but only with women I respect and adore.

I believe God wants women and men to interact intimately with integrity and compassion, I guess that is the only requirement. The point is that the interaction helps both improve towards the direction of achieving spiritual mastery, not something you find all that often in traditional marriages.

MGTOW_philosopher · 2015-06-19T01:43:59+00:00

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Religious_PUA · 2015-06-18T15:19:14+00:00

Life is about lifting so we can get pu$$ies.

Title	Religious MGTOWs
Author	MGTOW_philosopher
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Date	June 18, 2015 2:49 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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