The change we can make

oirectine00 · 2019-04-08T16:05:58+00:00

Stop telling boys they need the "love" of a woman to be happy, or valid, or a real man.

DWShimoda · 2019-04-08T13:51:57+00:00

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801735 · 2019-04-08T13:47:02+00:00

Yup, has it been downvoted into minus infinity yet or do we have to wait for 2 more minutes?

But the way I see it it's not males not getting any acknowledgement, the systematic mindfuck is in forcefully artificially raising the "value" of vaginates up into the sky just because. THAT's the real problem. And addressing that would fix the purposefully imbalanced soyciety-wide psychotic neurosis. Basically weed out sociopaths and society will regain wind again. Replace potheads in prisons with sociopathic parasites, solve the problem over night. Can even build a dummy newsroom replica in the prison, right next to the parliament replica. I'd just add coal-fired grills under the seats with chains, for fun... and... wait, for profit, too, televize that. Would pay for itself AND can get viewer count and ratings. Win-win.

2019-04-08T19:19:23+00:00

Forget man up.

Man out

Disgruntledfamilyguy · 2019-04-08T21:34:49+00:00

This is where I differ from a lot of people here. I don't believe in emotional coddling because life sucks and people suck.

My my son falls down and starts crying, I ask him if he is bleeding. I ask him if he can wiggle his fingers. If he says yes, then I ask him if crying is making it hurt less. He says no. I tell him to take 10 deep breaths and then get back on his bike.

When other kids make fun of him and hurt his feelings, I ask him why he is letting other people dictate his feelings and why he cares what they think. I ask him if I called him a cat, would he be a cat?

BLOOD_PALADIN · 2019-04-08T18:21:37+00:00

We should man up, boys have to learn that. Progressively and healthily but still, the world is a crap hole and we must be ready to face it.

We have to overcome that crap, boys should learn how to do it healthily and professional help is always valuable. Acting like nothing ever happened doesn’t work. But still, it’s necessary to get over that.

Infinitely agree with this, stop telling boys to be cucks.

And yeah we can have body issues and pretending they don’t exist is useless. But we need to learn to overcome it, to change it if possible or to deal with it if not. Offcourse in a healthy way.

Boys should get emotional support but that to be a man when they grow. Which has to be the goal of said support.

I think that the point is not to make things softer for men (it’s impossible, we can only act like if) but to respect men’s sacrifice which today’s society doesn’t do but yesterday’s did. We are willing to do the hard stuff, but we want to get respect and true gratitude for that.

AndyJN16 · 2019-04-08T19:27:44+00:00

Yeah I really don’t think the answer is coddling boys and ripping all masculinity they have left from them. Raising girls to think they are all special princesses was part of the problem in the first place, let’s not do that with boys.

DangZagnut · 2019-04-08T14:43:08+00:00

I agree with the first two points. We have soft lazy soy boys because they don’t become adults who are emotional cripples.

Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits · 2019-04-08T18:33:39+00:00

Basic redpill: "Listen to what women do, not what they say." Generally speaking if a woman isn't related to you (and even then exceptions are bountiful) the primary reaction a man may reasonably expect in response to any indication of weakness on his part is disgust or anger. They may say that they want men to be more emotional, honest, etc...but that is just to appease the rationalizations made by blue-pilled beta bucks and to keep a steady crop of them available for resource extraction. Most blue-pillers are religiously attached to the idea that being a feminine man is what women want, so they choose to listen to what women say. Don't do that.

micestorff- · 2019-04-08T17:17:08+00:00

but nobody cares.

2019-04-09T01:05:34+00:00

We're always shamed from showing any form of emotions ever. The shame mainly comes from cuck/simp men. This is why the suicide rate is exponentially higher for men compared to our female counterparts. We don't just suppress our feelings, we completely bury it. Society gives us no breaks or helping hands. Women are coddled by the government, male support buddies, (guys she friendzoned to use as manpons) friends, sugar daddies if they're jobless and broke, ig modeling that even an average woman could do now for monetary gains and a slew of other things. When they feel lost they have something where as men have to pick up all of the pieces by themselves with no pat on the back or even as far as moral support. The reality is, women have tons of options financially and emotionally when all of the chips are down where as men are told to suck it up until it's no longer there or until we pretend like it's not there.

yazidblc · 2019-04-08T14:57:36+00:00

We shouldn’t complain, we’re men. The whole goal of MGTOW is to be attractive and out of reach for these hoes. Can’t do so with such a weak mentality.

courtcucked · 2019-04-08T15:03:57+00:00

Now tell that to the men who get divorce raped. You HAVE to man up. There is no option as an adult.

2019-04-08T20:05:05+00:00

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FritzLn · 2019-04-08T22:42:42+00:00

society only ever cared about men when it needed protection and provision and it will always be that way (unless sexbots become a thing)

in the event of a collapse we will be "valued" enough to die for them. fuck that. i'd rather be devalued and ignored as long as i can live in peace away from the sheep

orstead · 2019-04-08T20:42:07+00:00

they have no right to impose their fucked up Simp-plistic world view on us!!!

Rosiovan444 · 2019-04-08T23:58:38+00:00

See... In this life one will face sadness and hardship. A man can and must be willing to welcome challenges because there will be lots of them. The sooner you can learn to have the reality of things on your side and not some idealism dream the better.

theycall-medank · 2019-04-09T03:01:45+00:00

But the wymans don’t care! And society doesn’t care about men either! Yet another reason to GYOW.

MGTOW_Starter · 2019-04-09T11:15:04+00:00

There is definitely an important middle ground here that we need to achieve. Coddling boys is not the way to go, as life is harsh. Unfortunately, this is something that we must accept. What I do not accept, however, is teaching males to bury their emotions because it is weak. That's a load of shit. I am on my way to becoming a more balanced individual, and my biggest struggle at this moment in time is being able to show and accept my own emotions - even to myself, with nobody else around, it is very difficult.

I don't buy into all of that shit of guys that are caring and nice is them showing their feminine side - No - what a load of bull. Males have just as much of an affinity for caring for others as females are portrayed to have, they have just been taught that caring for others in such a fashion is considered as "weak" and "unmanly". My hope is that males will be able to express themselves however they feel they want to, and in doing so, I think this will greatly help the male sex as a whole.

But of course, to get to this point, we need to start valuing males. Teaching them their worth and encouraging them to express themselves however they feel they want to. I believe this will allow them to grow up to become balanced individuals. I'm sick of hearing about males that jump out windows or put a bullet through their brains because they were alone and had nobody to talk to. This is not the way. I do believe it is possible to teach men to be both independent and open to their emotions at the same time, we just need to find the right way of doing so.

HeavyMeringue · 2019-04-09T13:08:31+00:00

Nope,I do not have image issues,I do not need a lazy part-time whore in my life to deal with her moods and her demands all day.These beta-fucks need to chill out with this "go to uni-find a good job-get married then get a divorce and cry yourself to sleep" type of crap.

BackToTheFront1 · 2019-04-08T16:58:10+00:00

Girlfriends are almost never right.

yeshdufuga · 2019-04-09T01:46:38+00:00

Ha GAYYY

Title	The change we can make
Author	swiet
Upvotes	714
Comments	53
Date	April 8, 2019 1:44 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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