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[–]MenGoingTOWin86 points87 points88 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Loyalty and commitment are not part of a woman's "love." It's what a man provides. If you give them unconditional commitment then you are pricing yourself at $0.00. Yet if you withhold it and make them work for it then it builds attraction from them to you. It's a shitty game -- you're better off not playing.
[–]PorkBomber9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Yet if you withhold it and make them work for it then it builds attraction from them to you. It's a shitty game -- you're better off not playing.
Good luck with that when even fat whores have 100s of options on tinder. Unless you are giga-chad, no woman will work for or give a shit about your commitment because they simply have way too many options, thanks to social media and internet. They can also divorce men anytime and take away half of men's stuff. Women have the daddy govt. to provide and support them nowadays, they don't care about men's commitment anymore. In fact, they profit more from divorce than staying married. Like you said, its just better to stay away from women altogether and not play the game.
[–]MenGoingTOWin10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't use tinder. That's trash. There's no reason at all to be on the fucking meat market filled with super princesses who all just want a free meal. There's no shortage of women in bars and clubs. I could pick up a new girl every time before I went monk. It's mostly trash fucking landwhales on tinder anyway who are too damn lazy to leave the house and go out. Plus when you pick up in person you can actually see what they look like and get an okay read on any severe red flags. Many times you don't even have to reveal your phone number -- which is a big plus. Tinder is an absolute trash deal for men all around.
[–]UnKnownSurviving2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can confirm. I got on Tinder late, and there were lot of landwhales. I asked myself, where are the prettty, skinny sluts I heard so much?
It was digusting to look at.
[–]SadSubstance82 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What about pump and dump?
[–]PorkBomber0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Risky. Can be a potential target for false accusations and #MeToo. Also, STDs.
[–]SadSubstance82 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wonder, is it possible for a forensic expert to state if it's indeed rape or not? Like, there must be signs of forced entry, but if the bitch wanted to get fucked then that wouldn't exist on her body, right?
I know we live in a feminist, gynocentric shithole but essentially it's 1 vs 1 - man's word vs woman's word in court, PLUS if this is forensically doable then surely if she wanted sex that'd be possible for the expert to state in court, right?
[–]PorkBomber0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is not so easy to prove rape through forensic or medial examination and it not always possible due to variety of reasons. Many a times rough sex can seem like rape. A man's word has no value. You have to understand this. In today's ultra gynocentric world, nobody believes a man. A woman's word carries more weight than evidence. You really need a solid evidence to save yourself, otherwise a judge can sentence you on woman's words and there is no guarantee that evidence will save you either.
r/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3363227/New-trial-ordered-Denver-man-imprisoned-28-years.html
I may sound cynical or overcautious but it is better to be safe than sorry. You are better off fucking a doll or a prostitute from somewhere else.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not every woman's body is capable of having rough/hard sex since some of us have difficulty with regular penetrative sex. Someone like myself could very much want sex but if my partner or I go to fast/penetrate too quickly without giving my muscles time to relax, it can lead to vaginal stretching, bleeding, or even small interior tears. Hence why it's possible to not bleed when you share your virginity, but then you bleed 5 years later when you try to have rough sex.
So no, there's no reliable way for an "expert" to say whether a woman was raped or not. This is why men have to be exceptionally careful nowadays when choosing sex partners. Not only do you have to find a woman you're attracted to + is down to fuck, but also who has morals and sees you as a fellow human being rather than a wallet-dildo combination.
[–]Global_MGTOW49 points50 points51 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You could be a Rich Chad, with the perfect everything, a woman would still find a reason to cheat on you.
[–]PopCultureMGTOW25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly.
HER: "He's just not exciting anymore."
There is no making most of them happy.
[–]Tactrus8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then every beta will jump in and comfort her. Basically any decision a woman makes in regards to questioning her relationship is met with dudes telling her she should make herself happy and leave/"move on"
[–]GhostArmorMode11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unlike most of human history there is no punishment for her if she cheats; and if you're married there's actually a large financial incentive for her.
[–]guacheSuede10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It gives her the tingles to cheat
[–]Global_MGTOW3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MUH TINGLES
[–]TheLastMgtow8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Man up, be a rich alpha chad, hold frame and lift -> Gets cheated on with a drug addict starving artist with a eating disorder and ED from Europe.
[–]BanMeIMakeNew0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So lets not lift, eat like shit, and always be a yes man. I dont understand the low key jest against self improvement? Nvm seen your weird ass vegan diet.
[–]TheLastMgtow1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You probably cant handle that diet or any diet for that matter. My diet is normally a carnivore diet, that you also probably cant handle. I handle any diet.
The example i gave you was in no way an attack on self improvement on the contrary. Degeneracy is what makes men follow blindly a diet or injury themselves at the gym and take steroids for a thot. So lets not confuse self improvement with degeneracy, and the do whatever it takes, and the get rich or die trying.
It is a reality that women won't be more loyal to you if you are channing tatum or brad pitt. So dont jeopardize your health and goals for women. Do smart decisions and improve at your own pace.
Self improvement is good for you, but it is terrible if you are doing it for the wrong reasons and with the expectations of going back to the plantation.
My brother mgtow dont be so trigger happy, we probably think the same way.
[–]BanMeIMakeNew1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah I cant handle all the estrogen. Pfft you are one triggered little carrot huh bud.
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[–]neverquittable8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree with this, and it raises an interesting question which is, do men possess some form of hypergamy? You read about men who dump their wives for younger more attractive women (which is hypergamy towards physical beauty, not wealth or status). Of course the more successful you are, the greater opportunities you have to do this.
But if we were to compare women's hypergamy vs that of men, which do you think is naturally stronger?
[–]Natsume243 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True, but the vast difference is that most women CAN be hypergamous and be totally vindicated to do so.
Most men can not for one or two factors that are out of their control. Thus, women's hypergamy are much, much stronger.
[–]neverquittable0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Indeed. Gynocentrism enables women.
[–]labiteatibit1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Men are naturally polygamous if you look into are ancient past. Men will always prefer a healthy, young and attractive woman because we are wired that way. You're confusing polygamy with hypergamy.
[–]neverquittable2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fair point actually. Even in the animal kingdom, the dominant males have multiple females to mate with and the females all mate with the dominant male, so yes polygamy for males, hypergamy for females.
It's such a shame people are unable (or even unwilling) to rise above their base animal instincts. Humanity could be so much better.
[–]labiteatibit0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed, are base instincts is what seems to drive society. If we could only rise above that, I think humanity would be in a much better place.
Neither is naturally stronger, they're both around the same in that respect. It's just that in the past male hypergamy was allowed for thousands of years, but due to cultural shifts female hypergamy is now allowed.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Loyalty arises from investment. Modern times do not require women to invest anything beyond time to put on makeup.
Historically, women have had to spread their legs for men who conquered their tribes and murdered her husband/children.
And for survival purposes that is a good thing- loyalty only costed the physical and mentally weak women their own lives - and of subsequent progeny.
Men should stop projecting themselves on to women.
[–]DeMeza10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. Isn’t it interesting how women only seemed to be loyal at the time, where men were more or less in charge? Now that women have equal rights etc. and are “strong and independent”, they show their true face. Loyalty is a male concept, not a female.
[–]cobaltcolander7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She will fail that test - every time. Don't believe in Hollywood movies.
[–]wingtsunmaster4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Women aren’t loyal.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Many women aren't loyal, but that's not true for 100%. Just like for men. There's millions of cheaters out there but that doesn't mean 100% of males are like that.
[–]wingtsunmaster0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Uhhhh... you know your on MGTOW right? All women are sluts and whores. They are all shit.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Obviously that's what some here believe, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions based on their personal experiences. But saying "all people of X group are like this" simply isn't statistically true. It's like when Feminists claim that 100% of men are potential rapists... obviously false. Same as when some manospherians try to say that 100% of women are disloyal or sluts. That also isn't true.
[–]wingtsunmaster0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Then why are you on this sub then?
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I read a bunch of different subs. It's good to hear from many different viewpoints, even ones that fly in the face of what you know to be true. Keeps you from becoming stagnant in your beliefs. For example, I sometimes read the red pill women sub even though I'm egalitarian, happily single, and childfree because it's interesting to see what married tradcon women believe. Once in a while I'll read subs dedicated to discussing conservative or liberal stuff, even though I'm a Libertarian. Or I read MGTOW posts because I'm interested in men's rights and this sub has a lot of guys posting about their experiences, which just further showcases the need for a bigger MRA push in the US.
I know that all women aren't whores or sluts because I'm not either one of those. So it's a weird thing... I definitely agree with and have full support for a lot of what MGTOW stands for and use it in my own life (like not defining yourself by your relationships, taking care of yourself, staying independent, not following the tradcon script, not being pressured into parenthood or marriage, not spending money on people who don't deserve it, remaining true to yourself, acknowledging that the western world runs on gynocentric principles which is harmful and sexist towards men, etc) but I don't quite understand the AWALT opinions since it's impossible. Hopefully reading about it more will make it clearer.
[–]wingtsunmaster0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Your just wasting your time. Me and most guys here will never get with a woman because you all are succubi demons and use unfair rules to your advantage. You all are scum and we should all stay the hell away from women. Good riddance.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Your just wasting your time.
How exactly is reading and gaining knowledge of new perspectives a "waste of time"? It's actually the opposite. It is time well spent, to understand people who have different life experiences than yourself. Do you think it's a waste of time to read books or watch documentaries too?
Me and most guys here will never get with a woman because you all are succubi demons and use unfair rules to your advantage.
I was unaware there were any rules to relationships? It's kinda up to both partners to figure out what they want from it. Regardless, I'm 32 and haven't been on a date since I was 19. Didn't even have sex til I was 23. Just don't see any point to modern day relationships, honestly. I have had a single FWB arrangement for the last decade, and that's enough. No need for stupid things like cohabitation, marriage, or shared expenses. I got sterilized when I was 25 too, so thankfully no kids running around either. But yeah, I'd say relationships aren't for everyone... although calling women "succubi" is pretty funny. It'd be cool to have wings, lol.
You all are scum and we should all stay the hell away from women. Good riddance.
Careful there, my dude. You sound like a separatist Feminist. "All men are misogynistic pigs who use patriarchal rules to their utmost advantage, we're better off without them."
[–]wingtsunmaster0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I think reading books or documentaries are a waste of time. I’ve got better things to do. FWBs, relationships, marriage... these are all traps for men. Nothing more. Plus this overpopulated world does not need more children... so that’s okay that you got sterilized. So what? It’s better just to avoid you all. It’s like being with a bunch of sharks and putting your hand out there to get bitten. It’s better not to be in the shark infested place anyways.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well, yeah. In your case, or guys like you who don't like women simply for being women, it's really best for both parties that you stay away from us. Similarly, Feminists should stay away from men. Nobody ever wants to be around misandrists or misogynists, after all.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Notice how it applies to how much a man has in both scenarios.
[–]her_958_resistors0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A woman's "loyalty" is tested even when the man has everything.
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