Why the "Red Pill" will kill you inside (an argument by the blue pill)

TheRabbitTunnel · 2018-10-06T19:18:02+00:00

OP was onto something, but totally ruined it when he/she tried to make it about women being victims.

"Women respond negatively to guys that treat them well and positively to guys that treat them badly, hurr durr therefore men are abusing women"

If woman are going to respond well to jerks, and respond negatively to nice guys (as in, uninterested), then dont fucking cry when men act like jerks.

On the other hand, OP is on to something. You probably arent going to be happy by living that kind of life. Thats why MGTOW is the answer. While in a relationship, you are "damned if you do, damned if you dont." You can act like a jerk and she will be attracted to you, but the relationship wont feel genuine or happy. You can treat her really well and temporarily feel genuine and happy, but the relationship will ultimately end (or she will cheat). Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

MGTOW is the answer.

MenGoingTOWin · 2018-10-06T18:19:02+00:00

I don't know. I read the first couple paragraphs and the person seems to contend that those who should accept reality and work toward adapting themselves to best conquer it are xis enemies and those who just keep their head down as good little slaves are the kinds of people xie likes.

So this is a very weak person who hates self-improvement SO MUCH that he literally won't even try to be friends with or accept someone seeking the truth or trying to improve themselves to best achieve their goals.

I imagine the rest of it is some NAWALT and "women = men" bullshit, victim of bad relationshits but not all women blah blah blah and we should respect women and always believe them because muh halo effect and muh indoctrination.

Am I far off?

ApoAlaia · 2018-10-06T18:55:34+00:00

It makes for a nice utopia.

As it turns out it is based on a false premise: that you can enter a relationship with someone naturally uncooperative who 'holds all the cards' with no credible leverage of your own and civilisedly negotiate a mutually beneficial partnership.

This is folly. Nice feelgood folly but folly after all.

rtmlex · 2018-10-06T18:22:13+00:00

A woman made a man write this.

DangZagnut · 2018-10-06T20:33:07+00:00

Gilded x67? This is already going to be great, because you know it's stupid.

TL;DR: It's unfair that men suffer from sexual strategy, but that doesn't make it okay to flip it and make women suffer instead. No one deserves to be emotionally abused.

Are we making women suffer? Cutting off they money supply they think they're entitled to is not making them suffer objectively.

I feel that I should point out that I do not wish to demonize any group of people

Even though I'm sure you'll do that.

What I am speaking out against is the use of sexual strategy and emotional manipulation to render your partner compliant. Don't participate in that? Great. I don't have a problem with you.

Which is why you idiots shit all over MGTOW.

I know there are other posts in that subreddit, some of which are downright praiseworthy. Obviously I don't feel the need to address those.

Well you won't get 5 years of reddit gold for talking about the positive posts.

The subreddit is rife with success stories from men who claim they've gotten what they want out of their relationship. One guy claims (and I'm paraphrasing), "She does my laundry and dishes, we have sex whenever I want, and she knows that I don't belong to her, and if she ever slips up or takes me for granted, she’s gone."

It's not that I doubt what he's saying. I believe it. The problem is, what he's describing is emotional abuse.

As hard as it is to believe, relationships are relationships, they are what they are. If she doesn't like it, she can go move out. This is 100% a her problem. Unless they're in some foreign country and you're holding her passport hostage, there's no abuse going on.

How do you know that's not what she wants? Hell one of my filthy causals is into random domestic violence. You don't know what she's in to. As a white knight, the idea that some women are attracted to "abuse" astounds you, kind of like feminists that have rape fantasies. That confuses white knights too.

What the Red Pill advocates is taking advantage of common weak points in the typical female psyche (most of which are present in your typical male psyche as well; everyone has weak points, and most of them are common to all humans, though some are more pronounced in one sex or another) to put pressure on women and bend them to your will.

So women are weak and easily exploitable? Notice how white knights always end up how they are because they have a pedestal/save the children mentality?

Several advise that you never show affection for her unless she’s done something to please you. You break them like you'd break an animal.

And so what? So women that are gold diggers for NBA players are really all about true love.

The fact that they fall for it is more the concern. So act rich and not interested, and women flock? Hmm..what does that say about women?

And it's damned effective in some cases. It'll get you what you want if you do it right. But you shouldn't want that, and here's why.

So men shouldn't want sex. Thanks "mom".

The Red Pill subreddit is also full of "Blue Pill Stories," in which guys get emotionally abused by their girlfriends.

Well lets just hand wave those away. As we know, no woman have ever been abusive.

It's a shame, it really is. Nobody deserves that kind of abuse.

But will be just hand waved away. As we know, no women have ever been abusive. Because between the two of us, one of us really worships pussy and can't say a bad thing about it.

"Nobody" includes women, though.

So you can worship women? How many internet chicks have you managed to fuck because of this post?

When it works, now it's the man who is in power and the woman who is suffering.

If she's suffering why does it work? Clearly it attracts them and keeps them around, maybe you should address that, and maybe it'll work , rather then go after men, who aren't going to stop doing what works. So make it not work.

The man gets the sex without having to commit any real effort to the relationship, aside from making sure that his SO's emotions are brutally crushed on a regular basis.

OH THE HORROR. Notice he doesn't even recognize the cock carousel and women like to fuck, but to the blue pill, women are virgins up on pedestals.

And the reason she stays is the same reason Blue Pill guys stay in their relationships: They don't want to be alone.

Are you sure they aren't happy? Why do women enter into these in the first place?

And as long as you keep that power dynamic active, you will never know what love is.

Women don't like losers, they like winners, Love is for needy mommas boys if you crave it so much. Also women love these situations, that's why they are overwhelmingly in them. Women apparently love drama and abuse. That's why they're in those relationships.

Because love means that you feel what your lover feels. If she hurts, you hurt. If you hurt her, you feel all of her pain and all of the shame for knowing that you're the one that caused it.

You suck dick for money is what I'm hearing. I mean, I don't use calling someone "gay" as an insult, so I'll just say that's faggot talk.

If you really love someone, you'll never want to hurt them.

I know this is a strange concept, but some people just fuck, men and women. I know as an emotional cripple you think all people look for relationships.

And make no mistake, that's what the Red Pill is: cold, calculated, systematic emotional torture meant to produce a desired response.

Or its just about people wanting to fuck and improving their odds by appealing to what the other wants to mate with.

Put quite simply, someone couldn't ever do such a thing to someone they truly loved.

Are you aware some people have casual sex without strings? Do you having shiny white armor around m'lady?

There is one thing that Red Pill has right. Sexual strategy sucks. But the solution isn't getting better at it than your SO is.

You do know people are just trying to fuck right? They're not looking for relationships. One day they might, and they'll just settle for the clam that is in rotation at that moment.

The solution is agreeing with one another that you're not going to play the game.

That's actually part of the game idiot. That's like when women talk about not being into "drama".

You want a healthy, stable relationship that is going to be rewarding?

Nope, I like 'em like doormats and obedient, and I barely like that any more.

Remember that your SO is just as complex, intelligent and vulnerable a human being as you are.

Mine just has holes. Casuals are like that, just someone to fuck. Get over yourself white knight.

By the way, the power dynamic protects against that, or just none at all.

Life is a war. But if you want to win it, you and your SO need to be on the same side.

Jesus Christ, you can't envision life without some pussy that hates you in your life.

You don't need to break your girlfriend or wife. You need to talk to them.

That would make the money I spent on installing a mute button pointless.

If they're doing something that hurts you, you need to tell them.

Yes I would break up with them. See how easy it is? You just stay away from them.

And if you don't have that in your SO, you either need to get to that point or get out.

So go MGTOW, that you retards have labeled a hate group.

There are many, many worse things than being single.

Marriage?

One of them is being in an abusive or emotionally vacant relationship (on either side, abuser or victim).

I know you're a cuck, but you should try it on the abusive side. It's always worked for me. Of course, then they start talking, and it ruins the whole relationship.

Don't view your time as being single as a sexless desert.

Did you know porn exists on the internet?

For every type, there is a countertype.

Like abusers and victims?

But there's good news... Something else human beings are good at is changing.

Hey I tried a non-domestic beer today.

Be willing to improve yourself.

So go MGTOW?

In order to have a healthy relationship, you have to be a healthy human being first. A healthy human being doesn't use sexual strategy. You'll only ever have a healthy relationship if both parties refuse to play that game.

For the last time, casual sex is the goal, no one is looking for a wife.

67 gold. Let that sink one, over $100 was given to this guy. I have to get in on this racket of telling idiots what they want to hear.

CeleritySteam · 2018-10-07T22:49:50+00:00

Let's say you find a revolver with one bullet and not understanding what it is shoot yourself with it. It's still a gun, it's still loaded, you still lost the 1/6 check... the only difference is you didn't understand you were fucking yourself before you did it and died with a surprise look.

Any talk of the red pill "killing you inside"... the threats are still exactly the same, they are just known now so they can be avoided.

Title	Why the "Red Pill" will kill you inside (an argument by the blue pill)
Author	FriendlyNeat2
Upvotes	7
Comments	8
Date	October 6, 2018 6:14 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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