Are we actually insane?

YouSaidChicken · 2021-03-26T13:51:03+00:00

Do you think it got out of hand in some ways?

They worship pussy and believe any propaganda they're told.

When you worship pussy, they believe anything pussy says.

0.00000000001% of men actually aren't interested in women/realize the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

You think they want to lose followers who worship pussy, or advertising by not worshipping pussy?

Pussy worshippers gonna worship. They can act all hard, but they are just comedians, who I very much enjoy, but that doesn't mean they throw half their money under the bus.

MGTOW has zero to do with "rage". Those are angry incels and trad cuck types. Some people who, like above, still worship pussy are mad they can't get the pussy they want. Then they go type type type about the pussy as a catharsis.

I get it, and IRL I doubt they waste that much time on it, but online is something else where you can vomit spurt your stupid ideas out.

At least that's my excuse.

Feminists hate men, they already decided to claim MGTOW is "evil". Why? It denies women money and power, and feminists require simps and pussy worshippers for money and power. That's the only reason. If MGTOW did exactly the same thing but said they were doing it to help the "toxic masculinity" or withdrawing from harassing and marrying women, and apologizing for other men, feminists would be loving MGTOW for embracing their hate.

MGTOW tends not to lean leftist, that all feminists are. All MGTOW has to do is pretend to lean left, and pretend they're doing the exact same thing for women and they'll love and respect us.

But feminists don't care about behaviors, they care about propaganda.

That's why MGTOW is a "hate group", they give real reasons to not play the game, not lies.

Klotzek · 2021-03-26T15:11:56+00:00

Im not angry. Im chilled with low blood pressure, eating my tasty food and enjoying my weekend. What did i do to these people to be called extremist?

Maelandrew · 2021-03-26T16:21:49+00:00

A few months after my divorce I was speaking with some co-workers of mine, they asked me if I had started dating yet. I told them I hadn't started and might not ever date again. They were shocked and asked me why I didn't want to find a woman to take care of me. I laughed, full belly laugh, tears rolling down my face laugh, managers looking laugh. Eventually I composed myself and informed them that in my experience those women do not exist and I'm not looking to take on a financial burden with almost zero upside and almost infinite downside.

After a pause one of them asked what I would spend my money on if there wasn't a woman in my life. I shrugged and said that I didn't know yet. I suggested I might spend my money on Lego sets, model trains, magic the gathering, or even international vacations. They just walked away shaking their heads like I had gone mental.

2021-03-26T23:16:02+00:00

Yes, lots of things are said in the name of "MGTOW". If you focus on the extreme comments made by a group, and paint that group using those comments, that group is going to sound extreme and likely insane.

And to be honest, we do the exact same thing with "feminism" and "feminist". We take extreme comments and imagine that they are characteristic of the whole group.

What is important is what we think ourselves constitutes MGTOW. The r/MGTOW2 has a good definition on the sidebar. If we stuck to that, MGTOW would present more accurately.

But I fear that MGTOW is going to get over-run with the crazies. The only way to avoid that is to put up a strong definition of MGTOW, including foundation principles and red-pill toolkits, so that the crazies are be clearly seen.

S_Taera · 2021-03-26T14:22:08+00:00

MGTOW start to become mainstream and many men who's hateful and angry toward women think of us as their allies and didn't even bother to understand what MGTOW core principles is, they just want to fit in and have a place to vent. They're the one who gives bad name to this community and they're the one who make other people keep asking question like "If MGTOW supposed to go their own way, why do they keep bitching about women everyday?" well.. those men aren't MGTOW at least not yet until they stop bitching, angry , jealous, in denial and truly leave women alone and go his own way.

phoenixgreek · 2021-03-26T13:35:53+00:00

Insane? They just don’t want to loose their viewer base or something.

yamahantx700 · 2021-03-26T18:23:17+00:00

Every well meaning group is going to have extremists.

BLM has antifa fucking up their parade.

Religion has the Westboro Baptist Church yelling at people.

MGTOW has incels.

I personally think MGTOW has the best chance of moving forward. At least we can support our community and help out the incels. As long as they can take criticism, they're welcome to stick around.

Lastly, Aba is a beta. He's not a leader, he's just a critic. Preach I can't quite figure out, yet.

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2021-03-27T02:46:39+00:00

“Extremism” is being tossed around so much lately that the hyperbole is dulling the edge of the word.

I guess I’m a sexist, misogynist, extremist because i don’t want a second helping of divorce rape and grand larceny at the order of family court.

classicliberal1 · 2021-03-26T16:14:57+00:00

Most people equate mgtow with r/mgtow and red pill with r/theredpill. The average person is too stupid to realize that the arbitrary person who grabs the subreddit name for a term does not actually own that term. If I had grabbed the subbreddit name r/theuspresident would that make me the president of the United States?

Failedalife · 2021-03-26T16:55:16+00:00

We are seen as a threat.. else they never do that.. so.we are winning

SublimePimp · 2021-03-27T10:33:14+00:00

I think it’s required to be “burned” in some way or jaded to women to truly walk the path of MGTOW. You can’t be a virgin and just decide it’s not worth it. There’s certain psychological experiences you have to genuine go through with women to be able to truly ascend so to speak.

For me, I fucked 50 girls, and had 2 LTRs that were over a year when I was between the ages of 17-25. I’ve also fucked almost 100 hookers. I’ve genuinely come to the conclusion that women are inferior to men and that they’re not worth the investment of my time energy or emotions. I still treat them as human beings with dignity and respect but I would never sacrifice my time, money and, energy to support them or help them raise children. They’re too volatile and they’re slaves to their own biology. They never developed the rational faculties to subjugate their programming and so they are like wild animals. It’s simply the reality that I’ve spent a long time observing.

Western neurosis and ideology fight hard to keep a lid on this. When you leave, it’s even more clear.

Banned_BY_SOYMEN · 2021-03-26T16:21:56+00:00

Isn't destiny an open cuckold? Lmao

2021-03-26T23:25:43+00:00

"All women are evil." Is that part of MGTOW thinking? Yes or no.

"Women don't love the way men love." Part of MGTOW thinking?

"Women who agree with MGTOW must be chameleons." Part of MGTOW thinking?

"Never look after another man's seed." Part of MGTOW thinking?

You see, if those things aren't part of MGTOW thinking, why don't more MGTOWs push back against it?

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." If we say "well, that's just red-pill raging", then we are accepting those things as part of MGTOW. MGTOW is becoming increasingly radical, and that's not healthy. We are also letting that happen (except in r/MGTOW2), and that makes MGTOW sound and become toxic.

If r/MGTOW represented MGTOW, how many of you on r/MGTOW2 would consider themselves 'MGTOW'?

S_Taera · 2021-03-26T23:33:09+00:00

If r/MGTOW represented MGTOW thinking generally, how many of you on r/MGTOW2 would consider themselves 'MGTOW'?

ScrewJita · 2021-03-28T14:32:53+00:00

Well, for one thing, a majority group (Bluepill society) will always regard those who do not conform to it's customs as weird. Add in LOTS of anger, and they'll surely regard the minority as extreme. Keep in mind, that to Bluepillers, the status-quo is not "just the way things are" it is "the ways things should be". They are comfortable with it, have adapted their mindset to it.

Keep in mind, that to them, the status-quo is something they don't even think about. It's like the sky being blue, or water being wet. So when they encounter thoughts or philosophies that diverge, they are confused and often, feel threatened, as least subconsciously.

Now add in Fundamentalist Feminism, who casts everything in a "with us (subordinate) or against us (aggressor)" perspective. To these people, obedience is all that matters, and MGTOW by it's very nature, is disobedient. To them, so obsessed with control, even the slightest hesitation to obey is seen as an attack. So they go on the warpath. And since they feel they are being attacked, they go all out, resorting to lies, slander, ad-hominem attacks, absolutely ANYTHING necessary to "defend" their authority.

Added together, those two things, the status quo, and fundamentalist feminism, definitely frame us as extremists. And Feminism has furthermore been Industrialized, as part of the tabloid press. The tabloids seek to frame EVERYTHING as catastrophe, because it gets them Likes & Shares ($$$) so they'll push an extremist narrative just for profit.

As for the other part. Yes, there are alot of angry men in MGTOW... They just had something deeper than religion, their very perspective of reality; shatter under the weight of Redpills forced upon them by women, society, government, media. When they crack, they crack hard. Nihilism is the natural result, it's part of the grieving process when somebody sustains a hideous emotional injury.

I know I was very nihilistic after I got Redpilled. The Rage is lessening in me as of late. I've made alot of progress in acceptance. It still pops up frequently, but with less ferocity, and for shorter periods of time. I'm getting on with my life. <3

One thing I can say for certain is, that if there weren't multiple communities, with different perspectives and levels of rancor, I would likely have stayed in the Rage forever.

It's important that newly Redpilled men have places to express their feelings, of rage, sorrow, accomplishments, joy... Different communities for different stages.

So I don't think we should reject those who are angry, perhaps instead, redirecting them to other places where their content is more appropriate.

Title	Are we actually insane?
Author	ZephyrL0rd
Upvotes	10
Comments	37
Date	March 26, 2021 1:00 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mgtow2/comments/mdo3tj/are-we-actually-insane/
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