Incels are missing the point

UnearthlyDinosaur · 2021-01-24T17:53:50+00:00

I think what they are jealous of is that women have raw attraction to Chad. Chad can act like a douche or an ass and still get laid while the incel has to do all kinds of things just to get a bottom 20% girl.

However your point that the desire for the love of a woman is faulty does make sense. When you’re bending over backwards in order to get the approval of a woman, you exponentially increase their value while lowering your own.

As an MGTOW you should be creating an environment where you are outcome independent. Approval seeking should be last on your list.

chalchium · 2021-01-24T19:11:40+00:00

From what I have seen, incels do get this, or at least aren't bothered by this. They just want a pretty woman to be nice to them, to acknowledge that their existence worth something, even if it is fake. The struggle is, as superficial as women's love is per your description, incels ain't getting any. This is what drives them insane. They have this extreme paradoxical mix of lust and hatred for women. The online echo-chamber made them consumed in negativity. If anything helps, getting out of the echo-chamber is the first step.

SinofTruth11 · 2021-01-24T19:20:13+00:00

I guess I'm chadish. I'm 6'8, not ripped but not obese, I can confirm women treat you as a utility. During early dating they seem more pleased with being able to show you off for rep points with their friends than actually dating you. They still demand you pay for everything and try to get you to buy them things like fashion accessories or other things they can't afford. I'm a strong proponent of stealth wealth, and they still try this, they have no idea what I can and can't afford. I guess the new-ish car (reliability reasons) says a lot despite purposely down playing everything else.

They will also slag off other men who are either orbiting them, or men from previous relationships. They will outright boast how they rinse(d) other men, as if I'm in on it with them, when I'm disgusted but put aside my disgust because I'm enjoying their body at this point in time. They allow men to orbit them, take men's money, then tell me these men are "such losers". When really I think it's her that's the loser.

This is why women hate MGTOW. We see how society is fully transactional. Women depend on men for their utility (everything). Modern men depend on women for their utility (sex). Society accepts and promotes the former whilst demonizing the latter. Whilst at the same time shaming men who don't have access to the latter for being "incels" despite demonizing it for the men who do. It's a weird society and fun looking at it from the outside.

TRPonlySubsBanTRPppl · 2021-01-24T18:50:17+00:00

Stop finding women attractive. That's what keeps the game going. If women are after us for utility, we'll go after them for utility. Our "attraction" to them is the problem.

triangularprismshard · 2021-01-24T18:49:41+00:00

Incels could've been better if they start to realize what women really are, most of the incels will end up with one and they will regret it then.

heretoseexistence · 2021-01-24T20:17:51+00:00

Incels are NOT MGTOW

Incels are obsessed with women. MGTOW folk are/should be by choice single and live single life without the traditional companionship moulds.

The whole chad vs dork thing. It just feels like toxic negativity and self hate among incels.

Yes women target utility over all else in most cases. Men need to realise that this is not something that benefits them in any way specially marriage.

big_twig_tow · 2021-01-24T21:55:29+00:00

Don't forget that chad gets cucked by megachad. There's always going to be a more attractive man for a woman to monkey branch to, even if that increase in attraction is totally subjective and not logical. Women can and WILL cheat on their male model, bodybuilder millionaire boyfriends to fuck some member of a biker gang and there's no accounting for that.

This is why the dating/attraction game is just another rat race in society that men should opt-out of - eventually hypergamy overtakes all of the "apex" alphas (see Brad Pitt, George Clooney, and Johnny Depp who all got divorced in the same year of 2016).

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-01-25T05:06:01+00:00

Just because women have deeper and more intense emotions doesn't mean they have a genuine sense of compassion. Compassion is an altruistic and abstract sense of cognition that suspends and even contradicts emotion.

Compassion is followed by mercy. Compassion is when one negates one's fury and justified anger, hatred, and sense of revenge against another and instead chooses to suspend justice for the sake of the offender. Think of the story of Jesus forgiving and even having compassion for his executioners on the cross. Could a woman ever perform such a feat of altruism?

Incels are too obsessed with height and jaws and they are the male equivalent of women with body image dysphoria. Not to sound like a dick but yeah, this is a form of weakness. All the greatest men I admire were ugly as fuck such as: Socrates, Abraham Lincoln, Einstein, Isaac Newton, etc...

We admire these men for their achievements and for pushing the human race further ahead and not because they were tall hunky pretty boys that were dripping in bitches. Incels have their priorities all fucked up. They need to wake up and stop dreaming.

victor_knight · 2021-01-25T00:31:49+00:00

It's also a shame that many men from the "red pill community" (typically former pick-up artists or PUAs) insist that the only kind of sex that counts is when the woman "genuinely desires" you (like this can ever be confirmed). Besides, why are her desires so important? What's wrong with straight up paying for it and you, the man, enjoying the experience for what it is? Do women give a damn if the man they are having sex with "is really into it" or "really desires them"?

SinofTruth11 · 2021-01-25T14:31:27+00:00

I can't blame them. It is easy for me to tell them it is not worth after I had my experiences (not Chad, I'm just an average normie). I wonder how similar it would be to say the same about friends to a teenager: most of them won't be around when you get older, so why bother? Sure, very few of them might be, but how can you tell which one?

Emotional issues are very difficult to be tackled rationaly. You can bring it out to your conscience and analyze it objectively so you can make better choices, but usually it can take many years of help to turn things around.

Having said that: yeah, not worth it, even less nowadays. I think most of them understand that the time of feminine, sweet women are pretty much over, though.

sootlord · 2021-01-25T17:00:52+00:00

I agree. This is where the incel-sphere struggles the most.

Women will never love Men. No matter how you lay the pipe down, no matter the gifts, no matter the bad boy game you spin. Your just a tool

BenTennyson2101 · 2021-01-25T12:48:57+00:00

YES OP!! For a long time i wanted to be handsome, now when i have become more mature, i have given up on that idea coz whyat is the use of getting a person who will like you only for your looks?

TigPlaze · 2021-01-25T15:23:52+00:00

I would add -- no one remains alpha indefinitely. If a woman wants you for your model looks and status, she'll be gone the instant that fades. Same thing with money. If she wants you for that, she'll spend it all and then blame you for not having it anymore. Basically, anytime someone wants you for what they can get out of you, they'll be gone once the mission is accomplished. Sometimes men do it too.

PhenomtheComic · 2021-01-26T09:47:41+00:00

You see, I do agree you gotta start with loving yourself. But that's just the start. I'm at the point where I wanna organize with other men who are ready to push back against the tides of the effeminate culture and make actual change. We gotta be activists and actually reverse the laws in this country that have set men back in order to make this society work for OUR interests.

sadbasturd99 · 2021-01-25T00:46:29+00:00

Women do experience love in a different way than we do. They are 100% loyal to some men. Until such time as they feel like they should sleep with a heroin addict or something like that. It is laughable but they do feel love for sure, I have been on the receiving end of it many times and had to break girls hearts pretty bad.

With that said, no matter what they are feeling, us men have to protect ourselves and find ways to prosper, and that means not letting ourselves be manipulated and lied to etc. just as you are saying.

DubsPackage · 2021-01-25T05:33:28+00:00

Men and women aren't that different actually.

You can meet someone and fall in love, and then meet someone hotter the next day and be like "angela who?"

The difference is that men are thirstier and women have more opportunities to slut around, so it always seem like it's the man getting his heart broke.

So the man latches onto one woman and puts all his energy into trying to get her.

And the woman meanwhile has all this attention, orbiters, male thirst being thrown at her.

It's not that the man is inherently more faithful, he just has less opportunity to be a slut.

I mean it's ike if you go on grindr and have 300 gay guys want to nail you in the ass, that's what women experience on a daily basis.

So one of the ways that "society" has tried to make things more fair among men is beta-bux.

Guys hate that because it's 'utility' but it has its purpose.

If you can't compete by having the body of adonis, at least you get the consolation prize by killing it at work.

And think about it like this.

Most men would fuck all women if they could, they wouldn't only fuck 9's and 10's, they would fuck the 2's 3's and 4's too, in fact some guys have fetishes for BBW's and stuff, they actually PREFER if a woman is carrying 300+.

Well guess what, women are like that too, they want to fuck Brad Pitt, and they want to fuck Paco from the taco stand too, they would fuck and gangbang everybody if they could, most women have been on hundreds of dates and gave blowjobs to dozens of guys, some of whom smell or don't have a job even.

But "beta bux" gives them a reason to aim higher.

If you're gonna give a blowjob to some random guy, you might as well blow the rich dude with the nicer car.

She's gonna blow someone anyway, it might as well be a doctor.

It's not utility vs desire.

The desire is there assuming she's heterosexual, dick goes in pussy no problem.

But when they are too many thirsty dicks and not enough thirsty pussies then the priority goes to guys who can protect and provide.

Incels are usually socially awkward guys who are mental about all this, they don't believe in their own desirability, or they have unrealistic expectations of the dating game which is admittedly brutal.

So my advice is don't shit on beta bux because it's important to have that, it's an important tool in any man's arsenal, especially as you get older and your alpha drops.

For me personally?

I'd rather have money than looks.

Because at the end of the day, beta is more reliable than alpha, it's a more reliable puller, the first thing most women ask you is, "so what do you do?"

And if you're like "I'm the chief of surgery" 9 times out of 10 the panties are gonna drop that same night.

Whereas 6'2 tow truck operators ain't exactlly drowning in pussy.

Incels are missing the point

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Ecclesiasticus 25:19

Title	Incels are missing the point
Author	SinofTruth11
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Date	January 24, 2021 5:33 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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