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[–]Sub-Sero 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Respect is something you earn, until then i treat everyone with indifference until they prove that they are worthy of respect.
[–]adimo101 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is the same logical fallacy as people getting triggered at black lives matter. You’re not drawing your conclusion from the information that is set before you, you’re drawing your conclusion from the absence of information you wish was there. So people real black lives matter. Nothing in that phrase implies other lives don’t matter. At all. That’s not how English works. But people see that, and get mad. They get mad at the absence of all lives matter, and they wish it said that. They willfully misinterpret the phrasing.
Same here. All sons should be taught to respect women. I certainly will raise my kid to respect women and actively seek out enthusiastic consent before engaging in sexual activity. That is what a man does: his raises his sons to be men.
However, it saying “sons” and “women” is not the same as them actively excluding all other groups. In order for that to be the case there would need to be a qualifier, such ass “only sons respect women,” “sons should respect women only,” or “sons only respect women” which is how OP clearly willfully misinterpreted it to make this post. You’re reading into what’s not there.
[–]BiggestBoofer 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think your missing the point. The point is to say that you should also teach your daughter how to respect men. It's not trying to say stop teaching your son to be a good person.
[–]adimo101 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thats not the whole point. The whole point is to make a statement on the alleged inequality of the statement "teach your son to respect women," the evidence for this is the fact it says that and crosses out son and women.
[–]Letharctico 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
With equal rights, come equal lefts.
[–]Machomuk89 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nah, teach your child to respect those who earn it.
[–]TheRepeatTautology 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's why I barge past disabled people, they've not earned respect yet so why give it! And no, them lying on the floor, unable to get up again is certainly not going to increase that respect!
[–]mcPetersonUK 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Teach your daughter not to be a thot.
[–]Yami-no-Kami 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm totally on your side. I find it cringy whenever I hear about this whole "men should treat women with nothing but respect" thing in a context that represents women as those superior beings that need to be worshiped. Like hell no. I don't want to get special treatment just because I managed to be born with a hole between my legs. Furthermore I believe in such a thing as "having the same standards for everyone".
[–]datareel 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What happens when women are assaulting men? Should we teach them with respect still and not throw them in jail?
[–]trulybleedingliberal 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We should respect them still. Men can take hits from women in general.
In this case we're dealing with a crime, that should be punished the same way, as if a man assaulted a woman.
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[–]Brae_Andrews 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep!
[–]coolerdeath 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also them "independent and strong"
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nobody is teaching women to not shame, lie, harass or hit other people.
[–]laptopdragon 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I would venture on the possibility that women are incapable of learning honorable traits even if they were taught.
I sure hope that's not the reality... I'll add:
Nobody is teaching women to not shame, lie, harass or hit other people.. come with consequences.
[–]Proff355or 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The fact it that it doesn’t for them.
[–]MNCatamount 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Some people can carry 2 thoughts at one time. This meme is extremely lame.
[–]two-cut 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This can be extrapolated to differences of any kind. In a world where there's real equality, I should have no problem pointing out that someone is a women, or black, or a boomer or whatever else because no one should get offended. It doesn't mean anything more than that on its own. I'd like to think I treat everybody the same, but still recognize their differences.
Honestly, the fact that people keep going around and making distinctions between genders, races, generation, and whatever the next "-ism" just continues dividing people and makes it worse and worse for the next generations.
[–]Last_Patriarch 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with you overall, but just for the sake of debating... Do you really treat everybody the same? And you add that you acknowledge there are differences. So no, you can't.
I think i am past such illusions : we have all our biases and experiences and that's fine. I wont treat an elderly person the same as an armed cop, etc
The concept of "equality" is the modern replacement of "love" in the christian religion. Except that the rich can love the poor and the great the mediocre, but that doesn't work with equality, because it removes any notion of value. Moreover, what was "equality of civil rights" became "intrinsic equality in value".
That modern ideology is responsible for all the problems in society : you can't have moral values and a system based on Truth, etc if everyone can do and say anything and "it's alright".
I keep "equality" for the maths. In life it's all about "equity".
No you're right. Distinction: you can't treat everyone the same, they're different and by definition not equal. You can give them equal respect, though whether or not they deserve it is another discussion entirely
[–]ReyneWoods 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same as saying "All Lives Matter."
Yes. I thought the goal of BLM was to bring people together?
By using "BLACK LIVES MATTER" they cause confusion and a divide.
"ALL LIVES MATTER" is easy to understand and everybody can get behind it.
[–]totallossguy 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The only people who believe that saying something like “Black lives matter” is divisive are small minded fucks that want to make the wholesale murder of people of color about themselves.
[–]Aakash050 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
BLM is 100% radical extremism and political trickery. It is a lie that is being perpetuated so the organizers can make money. It is entirely built on lies.
It was a Marxist revolutionary movement from the very start. It is a communist organization, their own website will tell you this.
BLM does not care one wit for black on black murders in Chicago... 18 killed in one weekend. BLM has never had nothing to do with saving black lives.
BLM is like feminism, where they feign egalitarian vaIues as they actively campaign against white men.
[–]totallossguy 0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your worldview is fucked.
[–]Aakash0504 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Interracial violent crimes incidents in 2018:
White on Black: 59,778
Black on White: 547,948
(Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics)
Black people make up approximately 13% of the US population while they commit 52% of crime. In 2013 according to the FBI, 93% of black homicide victims were killed by other black people.
[–]totallossguy1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What is your point?
[–]Aakash0503 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Black-on-Black crime
Use your words. What’s your point? I’m not going to get into the validity of your sources. Assuming true, what does it have to do with BLM?
[–]Proff355or1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’m not trying to be rude, but if you’re asking that, you didn’t read them.
[–]totallossguy1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Old thread, but no, go ahead and write it down. Don’t be shy.
Are you physically unable to click a fucking link? You aren’t even worth talking to if so.
Oh I read it. It’s just so common for racists to link to a study that could be interpreted as reinforce their beliefs, but too cowardly to go right out and say even what’s in the study. I got your number pal. Go back to passing out this shit at your clan meetings.
So instead of discrediting any of the info in that article so you just resort to personal insults.
You have no idea what I believe, you just jump to conclusions based on your narrow minded worldview. I’m not racist in the slightest and it’s pretty fucked up to try and pin that on me.
A disproportionate number of black people in the US are in poverty, due to recent historical poverty. The police in America treat poor people unfairly. Those are two separate issues. Police brutality does not only affect black people like this movement is purporting. The issues need to be addressed separately and properly... not combined into one poorly defined issue. The police in the US need some serious reform, that much is obvious. But the widespread systemic racism of the 80s (and some of the 90s) absolutely does not exist anymore. The police just have a generally toxic, self-serving culture.
Police reform needs to happen. And impoverished communities need to be given access to better education, healthcare, housing, and just get their fair share of the pie. My country isn’t perfect; but the wealth inequality in the USA is seen as disgusting by most people here. Plus the fact that the police have so much power to use deadly force. Plus the fact that a simple, routine health procedure could put you into lifelong debt.
Don’t you dare label me as a racist, Trump following, conservative who thinks the entire world is about communism VS capitalism. That’s just about as disgusting as me calling you a rapist. I just recognise that the problems in the US go beyond race... it’s about poverty now. It almost seems like the current mainstream movements are to divide poor people, and keep them distracted from the growing wealth divide. To keep them fighting over scraps.
You want to fight real racial inequality? Fight for the Uyghur population in China who are experiencing a real attempt to scrub out their ethnicity (through horrid concentration camps that have been talked about in hundreds of consistent witness accounts). For Tibetans who are experiencing much the same thing. For Ukranians who are experiencing this at the hands of Russia. North Koreans who have less than pretty much the entire world.
If you want to fight against police brutality in general, I’m with you all the way. Only when all victims are acknowledged and supported.
You asked for it, so here you go.. here is a comprehensive comment explaining my views. Maybe you could try reading it all, and considering someone else’s opinion, before instantly coming back with more insults and vile accusations. That would be greatly appreciated.
You see why an explanation of linking crime stats based on race in an anti BLM post is needed right? The OP’s views are certainly not the same as yours and for some reason half a year later you come in and double down with no explanation. Now you have this and I’m extra confused why you would post in the first place. The reason for the stats was absolutely not to point out the nuanced reasons for higher crime rates in black demographics.
[–]UncontainedOne1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yup, spotted the racist. smh.
[–]Aakash0501 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What's racist here?
You, you're racist here. lol. It's OK, just wanted to call your racism out.
How am I a racist?
[–]BlazeingEnergySwordJ1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
typical liberal, can't use your big brain words, so call him racist.
I wish those of your ilk hated racism as much as you hate being called a racist. Oh well. It is what it is.
Do all lives matter?
The only people trying to cause a divide with BLM are racist Fucks that will use any bullshit tactic to discredit the movement. BLM is doing one thing and the ALM is trying to do another thing. You wouldn’t want to stop fighting to find a cure for cancer just because heart disease affects more people. The BLM is not divisive in the exact same way finding a cure for cancer is divisive. There will always be opinions on what “good act” is better. In your case you believe ALM is more important than BLM. That’s fine. ALM and cops murder people of all race, sex, and creed. The ALM is a great movement, but it should not be used as a counter protest for BLM. BLM does not mean only BLM.
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE6 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]totallossguy3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are craven. Yes, all lives matter. If that wasn’t made clear to you in my post then your reading comprehension is at the same level as your worldview.
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Cool. I agree everybody matters so let's help people who need it.
Edit "craven" is an amazing word: TIL: Craven: 1: lacking the least bit of courage : contemptibly fainthearted
So you’re on board with BLM now?
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
No. I'm for ALM. Which includes everybody.
[–]totallossguy0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Can you support both? The two movements do not have to be mutually exclusive. Just like there is cancer research and heart disease research. Both are good.
ALM is not exclusive.. BLM is.
Cancer research does not do heart research.
The can’t tell if you’re a racist or a troll. In either case I hope that anyone reading this thread realizes this simple thing. ALM is a reactionary movement. It’s goal is to delegitimize claim that racism is rampant our society. BLM does not mean only BLM but only that they do.
If the ALM protests have a ethical and good goal then they would support BLM and work independently to stop police violence. Every ALM person I’ve met is a white dude who could not give less of a fuck about police violence on people of color. In fact it is rare at all that I hear a ALM supporter have any opinion about police violence at all. The opposite is true. Every individual I’ve spoken to (and this thread is no exception) only speaks to the point of the exclusivity of BLM and points out bad actors in the protests. The world is a tough place - made tougher by those who use self righteousness to oppress the most vulnerable.
I leave you with this. MGTOW2 is at risk of being a safe-house for racists and misogynists. If you liked this sub before MGTOW went down for being a cesspool, I encourage you to speak out against bigotry and hatred and lean into stoicism and virtue.
[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
All you've done is toss insults and puff up.
I'm for all people. I don't like movements that exclude people, like feminism.
[–]Aakash0501 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Leftist cuck spotted
Actually an an-cap.
You're wasting your time. The person you're engaging in conversation with is an apologist for racists at the very least.
Bummer. Nice response from three months ago though haha
There is no statute of limitations on calling out racist fuckery. lol!
[–][deleted]0 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
all lives cannot matter until all lives actually do
I couldn't find the original posts on this issue so here's another one.
I don't get how a house on fire translate to everybody matters.
[–]nordicpolarbear 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The difference is-blacks have actually been oppressed for a long time and women have always been privileged. So no, it’s actually the opposite
Blacks make up approximately 13% of the US population while they commit 52% of crime. In 2013 according to the FBI, 93% of black homicide victims were killed by other black people.
[–]UncontainedOne 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Spotted the racist.
[–]Aakash050 1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Facts are now racist?
Not facts, just you.
[–]B4K3R245 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's actually the opposite yet again, blacks have more privileges if anything: Affirmative action, college can be free, etc.
[–]v3ctorns1mon 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But will you ever change a society by holding the aggrieved group at a pedestal? It's dumb and ineffective tbh. I would resonate with something that addresses racism but not superficial slogan like BLM.
[–]gumball4000 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s just two different unrelated comments and people need to calm down
All lives matter - correct Black lives matter - correct
[–]omen_tenebris 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
no lives matter *heavy metal music starts*
[–]Impossible-asset 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I dont have a problem with that saying at all, except im on the ipposite of the field saying "no lives matter".
Basically from full metal jacket "here you are all equally worthless"
everyone ... those who earn it.
[–]Noob_in_Dating 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To be honest it should be,
Teach your child how to be civil around people because respect is not something that can be given to everyone then it will have no value. Respect is earned.
[–]DashingWolf 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Egalitarian? You mean that word that all social groups that are large, medium-large, and small say they are, but is not? They one word that any social group could use and if all used and practiced they would achieve more quickly what they say they want publicly. Yeah, not gonna happen in our lifetime.
[–]x3r0x_x3n0n 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bugger off respect is earned.
[–]Master_Coconut 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I prefer the colder approach: that respect is earned, value is proven, and time is the greatest gift of all - such that nobody gets any of mine unless it's of benefit to me in some way
[–]ManofGod1000 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, teach respect, not equality. I am a runner and there are plenty of people that are not equivalent to my abilities and never will be? So, what, I should just slow down so they will be equal with me?
Equal opportunity for everyone, yes but, not equal outcome.
[–]Poofysmoof 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’ve raised my children to go in with people with a open mind. In that regard only respect those who give you respect. Be quick about it, I go from Mr Rogers to full blown aggressive in a heartbeat. If they are an asshole to someone they don’t know, they are probably an asshole.
[–]theatre_books4ever 1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It feels good to see this on mgtow
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