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This is a new sub with pretty much zero participants at this point ... so thought I'd bring this very interesting topic from TRP over here for us married guys to hash over. These were my thoughts on the topic I posted over at TRP:

Sadly, I'm thinking there's not much this guy can do but seriously threaten and possibly exercise the nuclear option. This is all about what makes her panties wet - and it apparently ain't him!

Here's my view of these type situations. They've been together for 5 years. The longer a woman has been married to (or with) a man the more her view of his beta/alpha ratio becomes set in stone. Once it tips over a certain ratio he's no longer making her panties wet (if he ever did) Going to be very hard to change at that point no matter how much he goes to the gym; dresses better; takes up new "manly" hobbies, gets a better career, etc. She will always have those uber-beta moments of the past burned in her brain and his self-improvement efforts will be viewed as just a different form of beta begging/desperate/pleading for sex from her. (and this is the problem I have with some of the stuff I've read over at MMSL)

Short of increasing his SMV exponentially via body & personality changes; actually moving out for a time; attracting some other women; and perhaps joining the Hells Angels, Navy Seals or something drastic like that ... her panties will never really get wet from just being around him or thinking of him despite his self-improvements, because all those beta-moments will always be there burned into her psyche.

(btw - I see no point in his having shown her the spreadsheet .... it was, however, probably a good exercise to conduct for his own interest/edification/enlightenment though to really solidify in his own mind how much he doesn't make her panties wet. In fact, mostly due to the whole "spreadsheet" thing I'd say the odds are pretty good she will be finding someone who does while on her 10 day business trip. By confronting her with the spreadsheet he's done nothing point out to her in black-and-white just how much he DOESN'T make her panties wet. (Solipsism ... she's going to view it in terms of her own life, not his) He's decreased his own SMV in her eyes by doing so. A good self-test of his own SMV while she's gone on the trip would be to see if he can find another woman of equal or higher SMV than his wife whose panties he DOES makes wet. If not, then the spreadsheet might begin to make some sense to him. And this, my friends, is The Red Pill. Down it with the beverage of your choice lest it stick in your throat. Some men choose alcohol, some choose television or other diversions. I don't recommend those options.)