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[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You were never Alpha with her.
Alpha is a state of mind, and it's simply impossible to be so, when life is being lived as a sacrifice, and not from a perspective of wanting to give deservedly. You live in a framework not of your own design, and antithetical to a healthy masculine mindset.
Worry less about classification, and more about living on your terms and making that life attractive to others.
Build your frame.
[–]vabiok2295-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks. I lost focus and frame. I Dont know at what point... However the framework (not the recent frame obviously) is of my design, I've carefully invested, started a business and risen quickly in a career, inglorious though it is. My wife is on one hand a resource in achieving my ambitions. Cheap labor when she works, and someone to watch my dog, and a bag of headaches when I'm not managing her properly. I have zero expectation of a reciprocal relationship. The commitment to her is not to help her continue raising our boys, which she could do on her own with child support and my involvement, its the same as that of any company with a workforce theyve invested in. I think you placed the life of sacrifice element. That's not a sense I have when thinking of my life. I do have a strong work ethic that compels me to personally keep up with the operations I'm involved in, but there is no part of me thinking this isn't fair I'm working for people who Dont appreciate it. My post is about understanding mrp and then falling off the leadership wagon.
[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh Bambi.
You just DEERed some nonsense about how cool you are, and how you view your family as "co-workers." I wasted a paragraph on why you haven't any frame, only for you to prove it to me.
You do you.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Too much detail, loss/lack of frame. I do not know where to start. You are not leading. She is whiteanting you and undermining you and you have not drawn any boundaries. This indicates that she does not see you as a leader. There is too much wrong here. You need to completely rebuild yourself and set boundaries rather than loosing your temper. You need to create a frame and keep her in it. Do not just read and re-read this sub. Concentrate on you, your lack of leadership qualities and your bad temper. Meditate, find a direction.
[–]vabiok22950 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The main point in this is that you are not yet leading the relationship in her eyes. She has you so pegged as her beta bucks that she does not respect you.
Not your fault, because you're only newly awakened. Changing in your own mind takes determination and discipline, but allowing her to recognize your change takes time and reinforcement.
Don't equate alpha with hotheaded, in reality they're opposites. Measured response is what alphas do.
You are heavily locked down into the beta bucks...
Military, almost six figs, fucked and married a single mom who was about to hit the textbook definition of the wall, SAHM and she was able to get a baby out of you for that little cherry on top.
Jesus. You fell out of the BB tree and hit every branch on the way down. You have a long journey.
She has "no respect" for you? Awwww. Whose fault do you think that is? Stop engaging in her arguments, her emotions. Every time you do she gets validation, and you lose alpha points for falling into her frame.
This post also has an almost innumerable amount of "she" statements. So guess what? You need to reclaim your sense of masculine self, as right now your life is all about "her".
She needs to start feeling some dread. Look it up.
"Verbal intercourse is optional" is a required reading for you. It contains a great start and the admonition to not go "redpill Rambo"/zero to 100 in an instant as she will not be able to cognitively accept the new you and the "main event" will loom quickly.
If you think you may still want her if you can turn your shitty life around and she can adjust to the new dynamic, you need to be patient. Slowly instill dread. She will slowly see you are not the same guy she settled for/trapped.
Or you can burn it to the ground. Up to you.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't equate alpha with hotheaded, in reality they're opposites. Measured response is what alphas do and Military, almost six figs, fucked and married a single mom who was about to hit the textbook definition of the wall, SAHM and she was able to get a baby out of you for that little cherry on top. and Jesus. You fell out of the BB tree and hit every branch on the way down. spot on.
Hot headed equals passive aggressive NICE GUY BB.
[–]drty_prMRP APPROVED2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First off, this post is a wall of shit. How can someone read this for what it is? Have you ever heard of a paragraph? Fuckin use them. They make it not only easier for everyone else to read, but also easier to edit to make sure you're conveying the message you want.
You never were an alpha. Alpha males don't have many carez. Really though, don't stress over that shit. I personally think there is far too much talk put into that shit anyway. Some guys try to mimic these alpha traits and it's not natural, so they become fuckin idiots. Don't become a fuckin idiot.
So many dudes come here thinking of MRP as a specific tactic. Become alpha, ditch the beta, swat shit tests, OYS and reap the rewards. It's not a linear process. It's very fluid. It would be nice if you could do x, y, z and suddenly become TFA. Newsflash, you'll never be TFA and that's fine.
IMO, there are 2 results that MRP aims to achieve. These are becoming a man amoung men and fixing your relationship. The latter of the 2 can only happen if you are successful with the former. By no means does it mean it will though. Regardless, when it's ran it's course, you'll be the shit and that's all that matters.
Your post is a pile of puke. Ill bet you thought that by spilling your guts, you'd get some answers. Thats not how this shit works. The answers are all in the sidebar. They aren't specific answers either. Simply guidelines to becoming a real man. It's a slow process, but the rewards are forever lasting.
Go to the OYS weekly thread and start taking control of your life. Or leave and let that fuckin harpy bitch put you in ground before your time is due. Choice is yours homie.
[–]deemad321 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Build your frame then stay in it . You have lots of work to do , get to it
[–]duhhhh1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you should read this and figure out what kind of captain you are and what kind of first mate she is...
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2yrxtp/the_three_dysfunctional_captains_and_first/
That's really good thanks.
[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was a lot of words.
You demonstrated complete inability to establish and maintain your frame.
I could layer a whole bunch of other things here but really your frame is a fundamental that cannot be overlooked. I could write to ad nauseam about your oneititis, you talk too much, blah blah blah
But really. What else is there other then establishing your frame?
Get to work and you'll changes but you are waaaay too focused on her
[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Primarily I wanted to get a clear head by putting this into writing, but also share back to the forum I've taken so much from. I'd like feedback, even though I can anticipate most of it.
Since there's exactly 0 value add to the rest of the community (even the formatting is a stream of consciousness puke), where am I supposed to send the hourly therapy bill? I think the going rate for therapists is $150/hr.
[–]vabiok2295-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There's value in the review of a certain part of the journey. Or you Dont have to read.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't have to read.
One of the biggest horseshit arguments ever. Stand behind your words or learn from ours. The burden of worth isn't on us to "just not read"...especially when we don't know that it's crap until we've read it. The burden is on you to provide value. You said you wanted to give back, so don't get defensive when we say this really doesn't give anything.
You have a lot of "she's ungrateful" in there. Are you doing what you're doing to make your life better? Or just to try and make her more pleasant to be around?
Fair enough, thanks
[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Last week I puked a whole bunch in the toilet and she didn't give a fuck. I think she brought in bread and a drink once, maybe twice.
Like I puked and puked.
These guys don't give a fuck either.
[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I told her I want a divorce and all kinds of stuff.
OK so if you don't follow through or show that this was just said for reaction or power struggle you have shown her you have no boundaries. This nuke is meant for situations where things are real, best delivered with papers from a law office.
Instead you can communicate to her that "you will not tolerate x and y, will not be willing to have your children grow up in a household with x and y". But you have to actually believe that before the delivery, or she will smell your bluff, because that is what it is if you don't mean it of course.
she she she she she she she
This is pretty much what I read in your post. This means you are not owning much. I saw zero fogging, zero attempts at any of the tools we have for you here at MRP.
Your post showed us you never were on any MRP wagon of sort.
And finally you'd better not be asking the internet about what to do with your children's future. It can't possibly make that decision.
Illuminating, thanks
Ok all. I do appreciate the feedback asskicking. I need to get serious and shit or get off the pot
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