Abortion

DrySwan4211 · 2025-06-03T04:52:21+00:00

I don't agree. I'm one of the few that believes abortions is murder. Women are the ones that usually decide to have abortions and I put them in the same category of murderers. Potential fathers are excluded from the discussion.

Child support doesn't need to be abolished, it just needs to be fair. However, that means child custody also needs to be fair. We don't need anymore reason for people to hate us men.

Alimony? Now that's a different story.

Coffeelock1 · 2025-06-03T05:32:59+00:00

I say make abortion only legal in the extremely rare cases to save the life of the mother so fathers aren't helplessly forced to watch their own child get killed at early stages of life and so human beings aren't being killed and denied the right to life for convenience. And reform child support and custody laws so the default is 50-50 custody needing to prove with actual evidence not just a judge's personal bias that an alternate arrangement is better for the child and both parents equitably splitting the costs by directly paying a portion of the bills for the child rather than paying the other parent so there is accounting to ensure it is actually spent on an expense for the child rather than just for the other parent. Taking away more rights for the kid isn't a good solution and having to pay for your kid isn't bad as long as both parents are treated equally when it comes to custody and care for their kid.

If they are going to let women just abandon their kids to the state without the father's knowledge and consent and not have her surrender custody to the father and pay support for the kid if she doesn't want the kid, fathers should also be allowed to surrender all parental rights and responsibilities and not be forced to care for the kid if he gives up parental rights even if the mother does want to keep the child and not agree to give the kid to the state. Ideally both parents would be responsible for their kid with assistance if needed but if one parent is allowed to deny all responsibility then either parent should be allowed to. Back pay of child support for a time when the father was not even aware he had a child and was denied any parental rights to his child should be abolished. Cases of women becoming pregnant from raping a boy shouldn't end up with her, a child rapist, having custody of the child or that boy having to pay child support to his rapist when he becomes an adult, and statutory rape of a minor shouldn't have a statute of limitations when there is a child whose age and paternity test results are proof of statutory rape.

Having the state that pays the judge's salary and pension getting funding based on how much child support is paid in child support and child support being based on custody, leading to custody being based more on whatever arrangement gets the most money for the state rather than the actual best interest of the child so it encourages pushing the father out of the kid's life to force him to pay more so the state gets more funding is a huge issue. There being no accounting whatsoever once it is paid to the receiving parent rather than directly splitting the payments for expenses of the child making it very easy to abuse and not end up actually supporting the child is also an issue. The only fair way to do it is start at 50-50 custody needing an actual reason to have custody be different, disconnect custody from financial support, and have child support be an equitable split of paying the child's expenses directly rather than paying the other parent.

No-Brick-8475 · 2025-06-03T10:39:56+00:00

The case of life or death is such a minuscule percentage it is not even an argument. That happens a fraction of a percent of the time. Worthless argument. Abortion is primarily used as birth control. The stats do not support the need to have it as a life saving measure, but sure in that case I think the decision can be made. Abortion nearly 100% of the time IS a decision.

NAWALT_VADER · 2025-06-03T06:49:38+00:00

Abortion can be a necessary part of healthcare, and can be used to save lives or prevent suffering. In those cases, it is difficult to argue against and in my opinion that needs to be allowable. However, I do agree that abortion should not be used as a form of after-the-fact birth control. Nor should it be so flippantly referred to as merely a "choice", as though whether one person lives or dies should be decided by the whim of someone else.

cheesefriesandranch · 2025-06-03T07:19:24+00:00

Im confused. You want to fuck women, and mostly without a condom, but get fucked off if theyre on birth control. But you dont want them to get pregnant, then if they do, you dont want it or pay child support but you also dont believe in abortion... Your argument is fucking redundant brother.

3gm22 · 2025-06-03T10:35:16+00:00

That's not going to work because as soon as sex is detached from its final end in creating children, been all forms of sexual promotion become permissible. All forms. Even the worst like pedophilia.

This is because morality is not a matter of permission but rather than a matter of informing oneself to what is natural and what order is itself to it is true and good.

You want to end the messenger and the feminization you have to end abortion. I want to go out with that is required paternity testing.

Title	Abortion
Author	No-Brick-8475
Upvotes	4
Comments	9
Date	June 3, 2025 12:03 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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