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Equality - This Surmises the General Sentiment

Gareth321

July 8, 2009

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http://www.reddit.com/r/Equality/comments/8yrii/a_reminder_regarding_voting_in_equality_please/

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Title	Equality - This Surmises the General Sentiment
Author	Gareth321
Upvotes	0
Comments	4
Date	July 8, 2009 2:51 AM UTC (17 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8z5fx/equality_this_surmises_the_general_sentiment/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/equality-this-surmises-the-general-sentiment.1053600 https://theredarchive.com/post/1053600

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[–]Gareth321[S] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Let me be clear, I think Saydrah and the other mods do their jobs brilliantly. The problem lies in some of the members - we've all experienced it. They're angry and generally very passive aggressive. If they can't win with logic, they'll just downvote en masse anything to do with men's rights. I know we have some of our own trolls, but either we don't have enough or we all need to start being more free with our downvoting trigger fingers.

I had hoped to avoid this, but if the members there want to silence our voices, we need to fight back. I encourage all of our members to join the Equality subreddit and vote up as many Men's Rights users and stories as you can. If you notice yourself being downvoted for even thoughtful and informative posts - downvote theirs - downvote everything. I know this may seem a little petty to some of you, but what some of the users in Equality are really saying is that they don't care about our rights. They don't care for our story, and we are not welcome there. If they want a voting war, they'll get it.

[–]Saydrah 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Unless you know something I don't, there's no way to tell who has downvoted your submissions-- some of it is even bot votes and automatic downvotes from Reddit's internal scripts, actually-- so I wouldn't recommend downvoting everything other people submit. Please just upvote what interests you and leave everything else alone. If you look at the main Reddit front page, everything there has hundreds of downvotes to go along with its even more hundreds of upvotes. Upvotes have more power overall than downvotes, so just upmodding what you like will serve the same purpose without encouraging the exact passive-aggressive behavior you'd like to combat.

Other than that, I agree with the general encouragement to join and vote in Equality. We need more men's rights voices there. The more people who join and post what they care about, the more there is for others to find common ground with. Equality isn't designed as a contest for which issues are more important. It's intended to be a place to post what you consider important and to find others, particularly those who are from the "side" that you more often find yourself disagreeing with, who care about those issues. In order to advance that goal, the more posts the better!

However, please avoid GBB posts-- we discourage them because they just create resentment in an audience that already understands that both genders can commit crimes.

We are doing everything possible in Equailty to discourage passive-aggressive voting and encourage productive discussion. All ideas are welcome, even "ban all the feminists." We're not going to do that, but we do appreciate the people who take the time to make a suggestion anyway.

[–]Gareth321[S] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Saydrah 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd ask you first of all to, instead of turn the other cheek, take a look at your own perspective. It's not the "female perspective" attacking you. It's the anti-male perspective, and also a hefty chunk of bot votes and automatic downvotes in many cases. There are lots of women in Equality who behave appropriately, and plenty of men who reactively downvote, and vice versa. Then there are a few people who just use downvotes as a replacement for the "hide" button since hide has been broken for quite a while, and a few people who just downvote everything in the entire subreddit because they think Equality is a bad place for whatever reason.

What are you meant to do? That's a question I ask myself every time this issue comes up-- it's not easy to moderate a very controversial community that by definition and intention attracts disagreement and anger.

I'd say, for now, the best thing you and others from Mens Rights can do is consistently and persistently state your perspective, post your best links, and make rational and detailed comments. The more people we have setting a good example, the more others will follow that example. We see that when we have a particularly trollish week-- even usually "good" users start acting nasty if we've had a sudden troll influx. Similarly, we see more rational behavior and higher-quality discussion during weeks when somebody starts things off on the right foot by posting an article that provokes a lengthy and productive discussion.

Upvoting the articles you genuinely think are valuable and downvoting those you genuinely think are not valuable is always a good idea, too. I'd just prefer folks avoid downvoting based on the submitter or based on the "side" of the fence that the article is perceived to be on.