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Esports wage gap

Rocketma_n

March 9, 2019
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Title Esports wage gap
Author

Rocketma_n

Upvotes 412
Comments 48
Date March 9, 2019 12:41 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/az349t/esports_wage_gap/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/esports-wage-gap.882060
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[–]thiccboyo97 74 points75 points76 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how this got no mainstream attention, but when someone brings up the “struggles” of women in esports, the media is all over them...

[–]radelite 52 points53 points54 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man makes less money because income is biased towards benefiting woman No-one bats an eye. Woman makes less money because of less work Everyone goes crazy.

[–]SqueakyPoP 32 points33 points34 points 7 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Women e-sports teams are propaganda stunts. The reason they are paid so well is because sponsors jump on the chance of sponsoring a womens team because they look woke.

[+]Pioustarcraft -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago* (25 children) | Copy Link

In starcraft 2, Scarlett, a female player was extremly good... she is one of the only female player that I know of ...
EDIT : i don't understand why i'm getting downvoted by pointing out that out of all the pro players in starcraft, i can only name one female that is actually good...

[+]redrisingg1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (23 children) | Copy Link

hes a transgender man.

[–]Historybuffman -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Trans woman. Trans shows that there was a transition, then you identify the gender they transitioned to.

She is a trans woman.

[–]redrisingg1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

is it gay to suck a female penis?

[+]Onion_Guy -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

What is it with “men’s rights” and blatant trans hatred?

“We’re not a hate sub”

[+]redrisingg1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

men are men and women are women. thats it. its not hate or bigotry, or whatever else. i dont hate "trans" people, i dont want to have them gassed or put into concentration camps. i just dont belive in the lefts religion, where only whites cant be racist, gender is a social construct and whatever else retarded ideas you come up with.

you can put on a dress, chop your dick off and take hormones, it doesnt change that you are a man.

[–]Onion_Guy -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but your feelings can’t override science. Maybe you should get out of your echo chamber and actually research or read a book. Listen to scientists instead of your feelings. Gender and sex are different things. Your disgust and opinions won’t change facts.

[+]redrisingg1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

thats bullshit. if my sex is male, my gender is male. it doesnt matter if i put on a dress, or wear dresses and act like a woman, im still a man. as for scientists being an authority:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/duped-academic-journal-publishes-rewrite-of-mein-kampf-as-feminist-manifesto/

you lefties have gone way into lunatic territory.

[–]Onion_Guy -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lmfao

[–]Santaball 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

XX chromosome = female

XY chromosome = male

Very simple science..

[–]Onion_Guy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep thats sex, very simple, applies almost universally. Good shit. Of course, there’s a not-insignificant number of intersex people out there (which id LOVE to hear the “gender doesn’t exist” crowd approach) but whatever.

Science says gender and sex are separate. Religious fundamentalists and fanatical conservatives say they’re the same.

[–]DominatePressure 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's not relevant here. If I am born as a male ( my sex) and I feel like a woman (my gender) I will still outperform other girls because I got a man physiology.

[–]Onion_Guy -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In what things? I agree with you there, though I’d phrase it differently. I don’t know how relevant it is personally but I agree with that part. My entire reason for commenting was the misgendering and strange refusal to acknowledge trans people in this subreddit

[–]DominatePressure0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

it is not revelant because gender does not matter, whatever gender you think you are boy girl fluid idk, it's sex at born that matter regarding performance

[–]redrisingg-2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

but gender and sex is totally seperate! (not)

[+]Rocketma_n1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Gender and sec aren’t different things. That arbitrary difference was created after a failed experiment in the 20th century where a biological boy was made to be raised as a girl, in order to prove that gender was different from sex. The boy and his twin both ended up committing suicide.

[–]Onion_Guy -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What? No. That’s not what that experiment proved. Try reading something after 1980, ideally in the last 15 years, and you’ll understand (if you aren’t an antivax tier science denier) that gender and sex are different things.

Here’s a journal to get you started. Sorry if I’m coming off as hostile, but I’m sick of antivaxxers/climate change deniers/antitrans people pretending like they’re magically on the right side of science while refusing to actually reed peer reviewed journals or do any critical thinking.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1359104502007003002

[–]Rocketma_n -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact that you’d clump us in with anti vaxxers and climate change deniers... but you are right when you say that it didn’t try to prove a difference between gender and sex, that was an oversight on my part. But nonetheless, the boy was born with a male brain and therefore not suitable to become a woman. I’m not anti trans, I think trans people are fine. I just reject the notion that there are more than two genders.

[–]Onion_Guy -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The boy was male. Sex and gender, he was just a cis dude that they did a fucky experiment on. They forced gender dysmorphia on him and it led to issues. Just like what people tend to do to trans people, in my experience.

I hear you and I get the “trans people are fine” thing, but lots of people don’t want to even go that far. Hell, just look at the rest of the people replying to me in this thread lol. It goes a long way to just take 5 minutes to read something and accept being wrong in a little way to help someone else have an easier life

Don’t believe what you see on tumblr in action or whatever. Nobody’s trying to be some strange new gender or go by Xerxes pronouns. 99.999% of the time trans people just want to be seen as who they are. As far as I’ve seen (through gender studies and personal experience) people are like “I’m a dude” or “I’m a chick” or “I don’t really want to acknowledge an arbitrary blue or pink binary bullshit” and I don’t think anyone should have issues with that.

[–]DominatePressure 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He is not hating, he is underlining the transgender sex. So we understand why he is so strong at this game

[–]Onion_Guy -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she*. And tbh I’m not entirely convinced that a Y chromosome makes you better with a keyboard and mouse; I think there are a lot more prescient issues in esports, as a long time observer

[–]DominatePressure 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no one need to convince you. Reality speak for itself they cant be at the top. Im not saying girls cant work hard and improve but if they are almost non-existent in esport scene it's because of bad performance not mysoginist issues. I mean if some of them was really that good and dominating it would be easy to show whatever what game it is.

[–]Pioustarcraft -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

source ?

[+]redrisingg1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_(video_game_player)

[–]Pioustarcraft 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I was/am a big starcraft fan for a long time and never knew about it... that doesn't change my opinion on Scarlett but that explain why I noticed some very masculine traits.
If one thing, it shows that transger personne can be admired by the masses and are not always discriminated against. Good for her even if, in a way, that reinforce the stereotype that women are bad at videogames haha :p

[–]Onion_Guy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s phenomenally good, there isn’t much money in Starcraft though unfortunately. Scarlett is a big name

[–]techtesh 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes : coz the hot video game nerd brings more audience and hence more revinue

[–]Ninjacat509 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Know why?

Almost all male gamers don't do fanservice.

[–]factsd0ntlie 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

r/GlobalOffensive is redpilled , that's why some incompetent female gamers created r/gamergirls

[–]SpacemanSqiff 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Says I don’t have access to this community, do I need an invite to be apart of this exclusive club of back patting?

[–]factsd0ntlie 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry , this is the sub r/Girlgamers

[–]SpacemanSqiff 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you kindly

[–]Devidose 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which of the two was found out to have a userbase almost entirely made up of men? There was something about either Discord/voice chat services or meetups where it turned out most of the users were men, and not any form of non-male identifying, just actual men.

[–]factsd0ntlie 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

U talking bout r/globaloffensive ? So what if majority are males?

[–]rooolng4 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They aren't paying for their gaming skills - just another THOT streamer

[–]TheKingOfPancake 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where are all the angry feminist ? EqUAlItY !

[–]Onion_Guy -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This makes sense. There are a lot of barriers to entry for women in esports. There are a lot of female fans who want to see representation; it’s in orgs’ best interests to pay for that representation when the industry doesn’t favor it naturally occurring.

Fix the problems or be okay with the solutions. Don’t be idiots.

[–]planned_serendipity1 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There are no barriers to entry for women, they simply lack the motivation to get good enough. There are a lot of feminists who want to see representation. Orgs pander to feminists.

[–]Onion_Guy -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So you’re saying you think it’s more likely that all women are too lazy to Git Gud than that there are aspects of esports culture that discourage women from professional participation?

[–]planned_serendipity1 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do not put words in my mouth, I said motivated. Women have more options than men do as well as the fact that men are much more likely to get obsessed about mastering a skill.

So you’re saying you think it’s more likely that all women are too lazy to Git Gud than that there are aspects of esports culture that discourage women from professional participation?

Yes, that is what I am saying. You see the exact same domination by men in the top ranks of everything from Chess, darts, to friggen Scrabble. None of these have cultures that discourage women from excelling if they were motivated. Men dominate because men are way over represented at the extreme ends of the intelligence curve and they are much more likely to obsessively pursue an interest. Finally, I have gotten to the point where I just don't give a shit if a male competitive culture is discouraging to women. If they cannot compete with men on men's terms they can go play in less competitive women's league.

[–]Onion_Guy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Do not put words in my mouth.”

quotes me entirely

“Yes, that is what I’m saying”

:thinking:

[–]planned_serendipity1 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women lack MOTIVATION, they are not lazy. I am saying that there are not aspects of esports culture that discourage women.

[+]Astrous1011 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Do research before you start taking this as fact. Don’t rely on an internet stranger for the truth.

[–]_Elder_ 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, Thorin is a credible journalist with years of experience in the esports scene dating back to the late 1990s-early 2000s.

[–]Rocketma_n 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a meme are you retarded

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