Good reading/watching material?

eixan · 2016-08-24T18:53:42+00:00

think gender is a social class with women on top and men on the bottem

That is why privleged men wear whatever they want, because they have nothing to prove.

The key word there is priveledged. It's no secret that in oppressive societies that individualistic expression of any kinda is squashed because the lowerclass is only suppost derive self worth a only by what they are able to contribute to society. They are just numbers,just machines. In oppressive enough societies even women are subject to these forces. I'll get into that later

These forces still linger for men but not for women. Men's clothing is more pratical and functional. People are far less likely to presume when your wearing less clothing that your mind isn't anywhere but on work. Meanwhile people are far more invited to presume the oppsite when they see a women with long painted fingernails that make it hard all kinds of work. Women can afford to carry these presumptions meanwhile men absolutely cannot. We call it the gender divide but really it's a class divide.

I'll prove it's a class divide by using the same stat feminist's often use to prove that it's women who are oppressed-The wage gap

What's interesting is that women who have never been married make more then men

According to Marty Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau, unmarried women who've never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men. In a 2010 study of single childless urban workers between the ages of 22 and 30, Reach Advisors found that women earned an average of 8% more than their male counterparts. And according to the Labor Department, "of men and women who work 30 to 34 hours a week, women make more, 109 percent of men's earnings.[1]

Why because the wage is doesn't factor in different job choices and hours worked. When you do that the wage gap disappears. What the unadjusted wage gap does legitimately show is that married men work 24% then married women.Or at least that's what the economy thinks.

Why do men work 24% harder?

It's probably because the differential in male and female libido which gives more women bargaining power in relationships.

Not many people know this but men and women do not have the same sex drives(you seemed to allude to this but it was mixed up with your agrument that men would look more appealing to women if they cared aboot their image more.Makeup isn't going to fix this massive difference in libido!):

According to pornhub only 20% of the visitators are women!
Asking a hundred guys for sex
Asking a hundred girls for sex

In fact Their was an alternative to playboy called playgirl for women but it got shut down because most of their readers were gay. Women had no interest

Even though gay men have the same sexual attraction to men as straight women. Their sexual desire is at a completely different level because gay men have testosterone and strait women don"t.

Indeed NPR interviewed two people here. They interviewed a man in act one who lost his ablity to prdouce testosterone and therefor completely lost his sex drive. Then in act two they interviewed a *female * who took testerone supplements and experienced a huge boost in sex drive.

However something interesting is going on japan.Going back to the topic japanese men freed from marriage have enought time and money to care about their appearance. Take marriage out of the equation and on the male side we see men doing everything they were socialized heavily not to to do"(wear makeup, care about their image). Are women more socialized to take care of kids far more then men are socialized not to wear makeup?

In seems that whenever a man isn't forced to work constantly whether it's the fact that he doesn't have a wife to be the breadwinner for or it's the fact that he's simply rich giving him far more freedom to indulge in spending time to care about his looks.

I think gender is better modeled as a class system.There's other evidence that suggests that gender behaves very much like a class system and it makes sense when you think about it. This video Feminist : Men Need Consent to Say Hi to Women naked ape brilliantly compares this phenomenon in the video sumptuary laws

The same laws that demand peasants avert their eyes from royalty because their gaze is somehow harmful

Also here's a study that suggests Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women. It's the reason why we constantly here people complaining about how the internet is a terrible place for women even though pew says that men get as much verbal abuse online 44% of Men vs. 37% of Women have experienced online harassment Pew Research. As Paul Elam once said, equality is a step down for women.

makii_desu · 2016-08-24T18:15:12+00:00

girlwriteswhat and typhonblue on YouTube
The feministcritics.org blog - quiet at the moment, some very good discussion in the archives

bufedad · 2016-08-24T18:43:41+00:00

ShoeOnHead

SSapplejack · 2016-08-24T19:01:59+00:00

Anything Stefan molyneaux is usually spot on and has sources ! He has a podcast called freedomainradio and has all his content on YouTube as well.

alclarkey · 2016-08-24T20:48:18+00:00

And the The Red Pill documentary, when it comes out.

kaykayton99 · 2016-08-25T15:40:50+00:00

Glad to have you here on the dark side :)

I'd recommend some talks by Karen Straughan of The Honey Badgers brigade. She's really articulate and emotionally impassive.

For a lot of hard stats in one place this site is great: http://www.realsexism.com/

Christina Hoff Sommers and Erin Pizzy are both well worth listening to.

I'd save things like A voice for Men for when you're deeper down the rabbit hole, as it can come off as hostile, but when you learn enough about what's going on it starts to seem reasonable.

There's a movie called The Red Pill coming out in October that looks like it will be essential viewing.

If you're looking for a more general and artistic insight into masculinity itself, I'd recommend reading D.H Lawrence and Iron John by Robert Bly.

xNOM · 2016-08-25T22:57:35+00:00

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Title	Good reading/watching material?
Author	makii_desu
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Date	August 24, 2016 5:40 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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Why do men work 24% harder?