Guys debunk the article "The Misogyny And Insecurity Of Men's Rights Activism." by Hira Nazz

TrilIias · 2022-10-01T00:36:13+00:00

However, it is difficult to surmise why someone has to come up with a counter movement to women’s movements, and demean all the feminists to fight discrimination when gender-based oppression of both women and men stems from the same root – The Patriarchy.

It is difficult to surmise why someone has to come up with a counter civil rights movement to the KKK., and demean all the clan members to fight discrimination.

Here's the thing feminists, I don't buy for a second that your movement hasn't targeted and harmed men. Whatever intentions you personally may have, your movement and the people in it with power have actively hurt men unjustly, and it won't stop until your ideology is powerless.

While one might question why men even need such a platform when it is known that they are the privileged section with all the privileges granted to them right from their birth,

"It is known, I think therefore it is." Just keep framing your assertions as if they were obvious and that should be enough to prove your point, I guess.

Oh look, what's this, an image? I guess we're supposed to get from this meme that MRAs are unattractive aren't we. How original.

Men’s rights activists outright deny that men have been given more privileges on account of their sex.

This feels manipulative. What someone unfamiliar with MRAs will hear is "MRAs deny that men had more rights than women." Meanwhile, what we actually argue is that while men had more rights, they had them because men also had more responsibilities, and the additional rights they enjoyed were meant to either incentivize or equip men to fulfil their obligations. Given that, calling them "privileges" is a little silly, though there are still some genuine privileges that both men and women have and do enjoy.

According to MRA’s, women have never been oppressed, rather men have always been the real ‘victims’.

Sure, I'll argue that women have never been oppressed, but which MRA's are saying that men have always been "the real" victims?

They have complained that feminism has gone too far, causing enormous harm to men

No, that's what antifeminists who think the first two waves were good usually say. MRAs don't buy that. Which is it, do MRAs think women were never oppressed or do they think that feminism has "gone too far," implying that at some point it was justified?

By “privileges”, Indian MRAs often mean the separate compartment in metro trains for women to prevent sexual harassment by pervert men who treat women’s bodies as their private property.

No, by "privileges" Indian MRAs point to the rape laws in India that refuse to recognize female rapists as rapists. I'd point out, at one time the rape laws in India were gender neutral, but this was objected to by feminists and changed as a result. Indian feminists fought to essentially defend female rapists, but Indian men are the perverts who think they are sexually entitled. Also, yet another example of why MRAs don't have a choice but to oppose feminism if they are to advance men's rights.

Also, are separate bus compartments not a privilege? I distinctly recall a Rosa Parks.

By “too far”, they probably mean that feminism has gone on to perpetuate this crazy idea that women too are human beings with a mind of their own, and rights over their bodies.

No, we criticize feminism for suggesting that women were not considered human beings before feminism. This isn't just a defense of women, this is an accusation against men, and this accusation has been used to target and abuse men. And since our lovely author made such an assertion without evidence, I feel free to dismiss it without evidence. As soon as they come to the table with a bit more seriousness, I'll be more than happy to do so in kind.

I don't know that I can go on, this was just dense with stupidity, every sentence found a boring way to be retarded, and it would simply take forever to clean up the mess, and it's not interesting or challenging enough for there to be any benefit at all.

Punder_man · 2022-09-30T22:18:05+00:00

There sure where a lot of strawmen in that article that the author managed to blow over..Here are some "Gems" from the article:

"While one might question why men even need such a platform when it is known that they are the privileged section with all the privileges granted to them right from their birth"

Wow.. how fucking arrogant is this statement? I mean.. if this is in ANY way true, then I seem to have either misplaced or not received my "Patriarchy Privilege" Card from birth.. Do you think it got lost in the mail or something?

Of course the above is in stark contrast with the following statement:

"Feminists, therefore, never do and never have assumed that all men are empowered, or men cannot face discrimination. Yet it is also undeniably true that women are the primary victims of patriarchy. Misogyny, from what history tells us, has ruined far more lives than misandry."

"Feminists, therefore, never do and never have assumed that all men are empowered, or can not face discrimination"
Except you know.. that part literally in the previous paragraph where you say "When it is known that they the privileged section" Nooooo totally not a blanket assumption about men at all nope not here!!

Or, when feminists DO admit that men face discrimination or disenfranchisement its always with the caveat of it being at the hands of other MEN and never at the hands of women (Because women are the oppressed class and its literally impossible for the oppressed to discriminate against their oppressors don't you know?)

I also love how the article skirts over the fact that the feminist movement HAS done considerable harm to men and continues to do so.. but why let facts get in the way of a good narrative eh?

Why let inconvenient truths like the fact that the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence was based upon assumed conclusions from assumed biases about domestic violence? and thus this very flawed model treats male victims of Domestic Violence as abusive aggressors. Nope! totally not harmful to men at all...

Or the absolute ~~witch~~ warlock hunt that the #MeToo movement devolved into, and how many men were falsely accused by women.. Once again.. no harm to men there at all..

Or the fact that Feminist dogma still teaches to treat all men as potential rapists, which enforces a negative stigma upon men and couldn't POSSIBLY also lead to the mental health issues affecting men and thus the high suicide rates..

Now if you excuse me, I need a stiff drink after reading that horrible article..

mgtowolf · 2022-10-01T00:44:07+00:00

It was written by a feminist. Gee that was easy :P

TheSnesLord · 2022-10-01T01:56:31+00:00

men are ‘exploited’ by women for extracting money, how they get unfairly ‘friendzoned’ by the girls they really like, how women want to marry only successful, rich men among others.

Everything is just an elaborate, wicked plot to defame and eventually subjugate men!

All true.

Comments also closed on that article. Granted it's from 2016 though. When that pile of man-hating tripe was published back then there was probably loads of comments that roasted the article and the cretin who wrote it.

pielok · 2022-09-30T23:33:48+00:00

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United_Reality4157 · 2022-10-01T12:03:12+00:00

Say it once say it again femism greatest mistake Is thinking they actually understand men They understand what they want about men and use it how they see Fit

Present_Animator5025 · 2022-10-01T08:39:06+00:00

That meme with the Operation Ivy t-shirt really made me stop reading it. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot author.

Title	Guys debunk the article "The Misogyny And Insecurity Of Men's Rights Activism." by Hira Nazz
Author	AmyrDastan
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Date	September 30, 2022 5:42 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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