How 'toxic masculinity' doesn't even scratch the surface of the issue

thrway_1000 · 2018-02-27T05:23:45+00:00

White Ribbon is just another feminist hate campaign. They've just conscripted men that loath other men and hate their masculinity.

SamHanes10 · 2018-02-27T10:18:07+00:00

This article isn't a complete loss cause. It does point out that a restrictive 'man box' can be detrimental to men. But it's missing a few key points:

1) Many of the traits ("Be tough. Be a leader. Be stoic. Be athletic. Be strong. Be self-sufficient") in the 'man box' are actually desirable in most people. The problem isn't those traits but when they are enforced absolutely rather than in correct context.

2) In my experience, the 'man box' is enforced more by women than by other men - women generally want to date a 'manly man', and not having these traits makes a man less desirable, and once in a relationship, female partners tend to expect their men to show these traits and dislike it when men deviate from the 'man box'. The author almost acknowledges this by pointing out that the 'man box' includes "Be a 'lady's man'. Have a big penis. Sexually satisfy women", but shies away from directly implicating women in the problem.

3) For me, the greatest tool a man has to overcome the restrictions in the 'man box' is already part of him: self-sufficiency. Us men are raised to find our own way and be confident in ourselves. We just need to take the next step and be willing to stand up for ourselves.

So yes, I'll be tough, be a leader when I have to, be stoic, be athletic, strong and be self-sufficient. I'll be empathetic and creative, because these traits help me understand people and help me succeed in life. Anyone, like the article author, who tells me those are 'feminine traits' can go get f**ked. They aren't - they are human traits. And if I really need it, I'll reach out and ask for help. There's nothing unmanly about that, it's simply common sense. I won't pander to women and I won't accept being treated by badly by women, like I have been in the past. I won't accept that women are unable to abuse men, I won't accept collective guilt for the actions of other men, or that women necessarily "have it worse" than men. And I'll act 'masculine' when I want to. I'm glad for the 'man box' because that has made me who I am, and I'm happy being that person.

Nintendobandit · 2018-02-27T05:37:18+00:00

SJW is only a term used by the “alt-right”? Au contraire.

iainmf · 2018-02-27T05:09:53+00:00

Bastards are blocking archive.is

dontpet · 2018-02-27T18:24:15+00:00

I fantasized the other day of forming a polkadot ribbon day focused on womens abuse of children.

Women are the demographic most likely to abuse and neglect children after all.

So. My campaign would involve marches by and with the police and child care service workers. It would have posters telling women to sort out their mates when they hear them being abusive of their chicken. It would engage with all women's support agencies around the country and expect them to wear and distribute the ribbons during the day but also through the year. As well as attend marches.

The men would stand back and smile at them, asking them to overcome toxic femininity and decrying those that don't join in the effort. Rewarding those that do become champions for the cause with praise.

dontpet · 2018-02-27T18:17:43+00:00

It's so telling when an article doesn't allow comments from readers.

Title	How 'toxic masculinity' doesn't even scratch the surface of the issue
Author	iainmf
Upvotes	13
Comments	13
Date	February 27, 2018 5:08 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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