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What an awful headline. There are lots of reasons men wouldn't phone police etc to report abuse. But this one is a great way to blame the victim.
/r/MensRights19/12/23 01:42 AM
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I can imagine men in general shrugging off hatred directed at them. I'll go further and suggest guys generally have a thicker skin due to both biological and cultural reasons.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 10:49 PM
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Last I looked it was 1 in about 200,000 women that die giving birth. I'd take those odds compared with a man surviving a war.
/r/MensRights01/03/22 08:39 AM
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I'd also frame it as a men's health issue. In a world where men aren't experiencing sexism in sentencing etc it is still something society would be wise to focus on to improve the well being its citizens.
/r/MensRights04/01/22 05:43 PM
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My country doesn't allow people in prison the vote. These are mostly men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 04:20 AM
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Family violence happens across the family. Not just partners. Dads and sons, and then all the other mixee would get support from this service. Looked at it that way, It is a remarkably high figure, implying there are a few men seeking support when the perpetrator is another man, and or that men aren't assaulting each other nearly as much as women are assaulting men.
/r/MensRights03/01/22 03:31 AM
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Not informed about this issue, but it looks like you are ignoring the fact that she also raped these girls.
/r/MensRights02/01/22 06:49 AM
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Lol. Thanks. Haven't we suffered enough!
/r/MensRights31/12/21 10:11 PM
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While that may be true, I'd hate someone to walk away just accepting that. Women are much more likely to die of breast cancer than men. Men deserve lots more attention than they get.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 07:14 PM
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I think women do receive significant benefits in society that men don't, and that would exist without feminism as it has previously. My point was that individual women are harmed if they are convinced to assume to assume a self destructive mindset. Hating another group, while harmful to that group, is harmful we well to the hater. Just try hating something for a while and see how it feels.
/r/MensRights26/12/21 11:09 PM
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I think the danger of having one side of an issue be highly sensitized to it's grievances is plain ugly. If is good to be informed but at the same time the risk of hate being the outcome is very high. It's important to manage it with that you bring about the right outcome. Having women hurt , angry, resentful toward men is harmful to them as well as men.
/r/MensRights26/12/21 07:42 PM
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When I've pressed a few people defending such a position and got an honest answer, spite was waiting there. Resentment toward men having had it so good for so long, that it is good for them to feel discriminated against.
/r/MensRights26/12/21 07:22 PM
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Sounds like a challenging living situation for you both. You guys might get on fine together if you didn't have so much pressure. Either of you might be more of the problem. I don't see this as much of a gender issue. When people complain about men not sharing their feelings more it is mostly motivated by blaming men for higher suicide rates. You might want to read one of the books about fighting fair. Non violent communication is ok for beginners. Videos on YouTube. Learning conflict engagement…
/r/MensRights25/12/21 02:02 AM
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Again. I'm old. I suspect it's always been this way, and could even be improving. Does anyone have any data on this question to offer? I've not seen anything that confirms your thought that it has been getting worse but am totally open to bring informed otherwise
/r/MensRights21/12/21 02:01 PM
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You might be right. I'm old and suspect there has been progress in that regard. I suspect women are less likely to get away with it than they used to be.
/r/MensRights21/12/21 01:44 PM
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Oh. Yeah, adults shouldn't have sex with 15 year olds. I wasn't doubting that.
/r/MensRights21/12/21 01:37 PM
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I'm talking about the teen. Are you talking about the teacher? I've worked with male survivors of sexual abuse for many years. There are very similar long term impacts in that situation for girls and boys from that situation. It hits some hard. For others it is just an early learning experience. Does that clarify things?
/r/MensRights20/12/21 09:37 PM
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Girls and boys both are attracted to teachers. And both are harmed I'm similar ways when that mutual attraction is fulfilled. The original comment in the thread didn't seem aware of this.
/r/MensRights20/12/21 09:23 PM
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It arguably screws people up more when they get an orgasm from it.
/r/MensRights20/12/21 08:59 PM
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Girls seem just as likely to be hot on teachers. Both genders have long term negative consequences even when they are enthusiastic recipients of the attention. Edit, I swapped sides to gender.
/r/MensRights20/12/21 08:57 PM
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I think men don't have the space and culture for tenderness as much as they should. We generally do the playful challenging masculine stuff very well but are still finding a modern voice to care for each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 09:22 AM
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I really doubt anyone is happy if they always gets what they want from their partner. I've had partners that were too compliant and hated it.
/r/MensRights19/12/21 05:14 PM
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Facts are certainly cruel.
/r/MensRights17/12/21 06:54 PM
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I dunno. The article I saw was saying a thick skull had developed in men likely to survive physical attacks from other men. It was an evolutionary biology article.
/r/MensRights17/12/21 06:45 PM
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Women are much more vulnerable to a head injury which I expect is the major cause of death.
/r/MensRights17/12/21 06:02 PM
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If you mean the men aren't taking care of their families you probably should take a close look at your thinking there. It would probably be accurate to say that men in that situation aren't able to take care of their families. My expectation is that family in such zones is much less the nuclear model current in the west. Men are part of a family and worthy of charitable support as well.
/r/MensRights12/12/21 09:23 PM
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Lots of girls feel the same way toward their teacher at that age as well. It harms both if it is allowed to happen unfortunately.
/r/MensRights11/12/21 09:48 AM
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I agree. That is pretty fucked up. Breaks the rules for this sub I suspect.
/r/MensRights11/12/21 02:29 AM
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This attitude toward men existed long before feminism came along. As it stands, neither the left nor the right in America have the best interests of men and boys at heart. Not to pick on America in particular as this is a global phenomena.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 02:25 AM
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To bad. I expect it would be an interesting project to have that subject exposed. Get into how a person could make a false statement or whatever happened. That has been done previously I think, but not on rape charges that I'm aware of. Oh! There was a film on this in the 50s I think about a black guy. Probably more.
/r/MensRights11/12/21 02:21 AM
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I don't normally find that sub too offensive and like reading what many women are thinking without the filter. I was appalled at some of the comments on this one. It would sure be interesting to get some research either way on this issue. Just take a video from a high building and measure position change based on the head and shoulders.
/r/MensRights11/12/21 12:30 AM
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Damn. Hopefully the movie includes this latest stage. Having said that, I expect any movie producer would have her as the hero overcoming challenges. The last thing they would want to do is point out that an innocent man went to prison with her false testimony. not very heroic. This kind of thing wrecks my day. But thanks for clarifying.
/r/MensRights11/12/21 12:02 AM
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Wait. This isn't clear to me. She wrote a book about the experience and he used that to get out of jail?
/r/MensRights10/12/21 04:18 AM
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Little Chinese feet, the way they used to do them. Very feminine!
/r/MensRights07/12/21 09:23 AM
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Yeah. We weren't very close. I don't hold a grudge about it but definitely don't want to hang out with her for that and other similar reasons.
/r/MensRights07/12/21 05:31 AM
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I told a feminist friend that I'm angry that someone cut off the end of my penis when I was a baby. She was confused by my saying that, clarified I meant my circumcision, and responded by saying "but I like them that way". Topic changed immediately and I was left in shock the rest of the evening.
/r/MensRights07/12/21 12:01 AM
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Those women that are inclined to make false rape claims are going to have a lovely time with this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 06:27 PM
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Remarkable. I'm stunned by the gender difference in the data at the top. Something seems strange about it too me though. My wife used to work in a medical research group and it was almost wholly men they did tests on. She wasnt sure why that was but speculated that it was hard to get women to volunteer for the role as it involved possible risk. Usually they were testing medications. And I've seen any number of discussions about how it is less common to include women in drug trials. Are you sayin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 06:32 PM
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... and projections.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 06:28 PM
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I see someone saying that as being just ignorant. Let them eat cake! Let men cry, then that would fix them! It continues that hyper agency expectation of men. Any problem men have is something they have to overcome themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 09:41 AM
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Lol. I made that comment 3 months ago and you decide it's relevant to chastise me about it now? G'wan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 06:15 PM
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Thanks for both initiating this and then challenging the outcome. You will make a lot of people think and may have done a world of good. Happy imd!
/r/MensRights18/11/21 05:11 PM
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Oh. So many outrage posts are like this. Simplify the description of a situation, group people together as a single unit when they aren't, then point out their lack of consistency. Repeat.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 02:04 AM
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That is much more my focus. I really don't want to look at any hostile attitudes toward the day. Wrecks it.
/r/MensRights14/11/21 11:54 PM
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Depends. It really matters if the other person is more driven by compassion or by selfish motives.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 08:39 PM
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As far as I can tell it is still effective for women. I guess we would have to get into specific data to talk that thru.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 09:34 AM
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That's a false dichotomy. I'm a bit old to start a new career. Though I did watch a young man confront this choice recently. He loves kids and knows it. His mother encouraged him to become a teacher in light of this but he chose construction. When I spoke to him about it, it sounded like he just didn't get a warmup from others to pursue a career that would be more fulfilling for him. When I read the comments of others on this sub they don't seem to be aware that stereotype fulfillment happens fo…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 11:25 PM
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I think we are still in the consciousness raising zone for men's issues. Hopefully we get behind that some day. One problem is that there aren't a lot of advocates yet. And that when it is done society doesn't get it. It isn't unusual to see an article in the popular press about the lack of men in teaching, for example. They generally focus on the loss for the kids. I don't remember any of them being concerned about men missing out.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 05:52 PM
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We still said that in the 80s, though it was in limited circulation. I note that there is a Masters in Resource Science degree now.
/r/MensRights02/11/21 05:54 AM
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Well, she also said it was the worst mistake she ever made. That plus sorry, hasn't she suffered enough? /S
/r/MensRights01/11/21 06:53 PM
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I don't think it is taken more seriously. I think that people just care more about a woman in distress.
/r/MensRights21/10/21 08:16 PM
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"Always" seems a tad over the top to me. I know any number of people that are sensitive to men's needs and comfortable with discussions like that.
/r/MensRights20/10/21 10:57 PM
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Thanks dude!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/21 01:15 AM
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Could be a further case of projection. What would a woman saying these types of things be willing to do to men? Then amplify and project that onto a man saying it. Doesn't seem a strong argument to me but I'll leave it there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 08:22 PM
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I doubt what you want can be created on a sub like this. Even if there were only 10% of the current references to feminism on this sub it would be seen in the same light. I see this space as a highly effective way to learn about men's issues as it currently is. I don't know of anywhere better. I get the facts as well as the real stories of men. So useful. I think that gynocentrism as well as misandry are the main issues for us to overcome as a society. Caring and affection for men is very much m…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 05:11 PM
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So true. Imagine any other group having a term like that used toward it. It demonstrates a callousness hatred and disrespect toward men. It is used by researchers, which lends it credibility.
/r/MensRights07/10/21 05:01 PM
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I guess this is one example of male spaces being threats. Imagine hanging out on the street, talking to some bros on a Saturday night, and having to worry that just doing this will have some people thinking you are planning a group rape.
/r/MensRights27/09/21 05:27 PM
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Oh. Well that seems to be not so robust. Says so much about who has the power that they don't feel like they have to even respond to that critique.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 12:17 AM
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Good work. Sad to know that he hasn't shown the integrity. I wonder if it is a pack of awareness of your thinking or if he has some explanation that makes sense, at least to him. Have you had any indication?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/21 02:45 PM
3

Thanks. I love how knowledge like this is building on this sub. Has your accumulation of this knowledge been on this sub for example?
/r/MensRights18/09/21 09:08 PM
4

You're telling us that feminism is driving this behavior in Brazil of all places? That is the op. Conservative governments are just as likely to neglect or marginalize men as the opposite forms. We often over concern ourself with feminism on this sub.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 03:52 PM
5

We should be focusing on male suicide, homelessness, unemployment and education. These issues are, in my opinion, much more important to the well-being of men as a whole. I've run a support services for male survivors of sexual abuse. Suicide, homelessness, unemployment and education barriers were the main secondary problems for those guys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/21 08:44 PM
15

I expect that boys were also killed at higher rates than girls. Not that this would get a mention. I feel disgusted when I see this type of thing.
/r/MensRights14/09/21 08:39 PM
10

And adopting positions are different from being an advocate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/21 09:08 PM
8

Thanks for saying that. It shows how much others set the narrative when a statement like that slips into this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/21 06:30 AM
2

I know this is in America and you all are generally more concerned about toilets and gender, but I just have a hard time caring about this. Yeah, it does sound weird but not malicious or creepy. For all we know, she had a bladder infection or significant bowel issues or a tummy bug. Yes, she might have just been an entitled Karen. I look forward to a world of this being a good example of the horrors men face due to their gender.
/r/MensRights09/09/21 03:09 AM
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I'm a male social worker and manager to avoid drawing too much flack on the gender issue front. I ran a men's support services in a provincial area for 15 years so could have been the target any number of times but wasn't. I expect I would have had a harder time of it in a large city. Good luck!
/r/MensRights08/09/21 08:14 AM
2

While that stereotype about women choosing lower paying university studies may be true, it still results in them earning more than men on average. Last I saw, single American women under 29 earn 8% more than men on average.
/r/MensRights08/09/21 05:03 AM
3

Another myth we often affirm on this sub is referring to STEM in the assumption that women have lower representation. The are only a couple of stem fields that men still dominate in. The rest is disproportionately women, and in some stem fields it is by a much larger factor.
/r/MensRights07/09/21 11:58 PM
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I'm glad at least they honored you with what they think. Next step is I hope they look closer at themselves.
/r/MensRights07/09/21 11:41 PM
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And given that my post is about history, this has been going on for at least 40 years at a systemic level. At least it was already well entrenched when I started my engineering training in 81.
/r/MensRights07/09/21 10:02 PM
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In New Zealand the legislation requires one of those that were harmed by the incident to complain. This isn't unusual as a practice in law. But, yeah, if the same thing had been done to girls those people on the op would have been in action.
/r/MensRights05/09/21 08:01 PM
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I feel sorry for them. Such a loss.
/r/MensRights30/08/21 08:58 PM
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I've just tried from a job where I took care of men, over the past 15 years. I frequently advocated for men to receive domestic violence victims services at various levels inside the police and government. I ran into a few people that would fill the feminist stereotype in that time but not that often. It was plain sexism against men that seemed the most common thread to me, backed up by gynocentrism. At a day to day level, people that were in operations were sympathetic to men being cared for. T…
/r/MensRights29/08/21 06:47 PM
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I can see how that could read that way. I really should have been more clear. I've often point out on this sub that we tend to over focus on feminism as the main barrier to men's rights issues. Our issues register long before feminism came along.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 06:26 PM
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Those that are not feminists aren't that interested in improving men's lives either.
/r/MensRights29/08/21 09:32 AM
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I'm old so have a bit more appreciation for slow change. I read Steven pinkers Better Angels of our Nature and realized that western society has improved significantly in regards to mens rights over the last 500 years. Remarkably so. Though that wasn't his focus. His focus was on the decline of violence in western society. A good one third of people died violent deaths until the last half millennia, with men having a higher portion of this. That helped me set my expectations low in a way. But re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 06:07 AM
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Any publicity is good publicity. As long as we keep things tidy here, I'm not too worried. So many people come along to see what the noise is about and find that it's quite a refreshing viewpoint.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 05:04 AM
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... when an incident involving multiple deaths is reported, the total number of victims stated would be followed by the clarification of the number of men and children.
/r/MensRights26/08/21 07:17 PM
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Only the feelings they want us to have.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 08:33 PM
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Ok. I guess I'm assuming too much beyond my own country.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 07:26 PM
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I'm not clear what you meant. Our human rights commission, and I expect all other countries, addresses human rights issues throughout society. I've used it against our health system once.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 03:53 PM
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Every time they lower the bar for what constitutes dv they are more inclusive of men. Doesn't mean it helps men want though as it is only applied to women.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:51 AM
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The Psychology Podcast had a scientist on it a few months ago talking about gender and compassion. She said by the measure they use, men have slightly more self compassion than women. My guess is that those that lack this are the men killing themselves. The compassion is generally not coming from society and others. Be sure to participate in International Men's Day this year. Send men you know love around that time. Give them a compliment.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:46 AM
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You obviously haven't been seeing comments by our Muslim brothers about how fucked it is for men in sharia cultures. Get to work is nice. Forced to work, with her claiming all the money and choosing what to do with it? Forced to marry. Forced into military. Killed outright if not compliant. Education? You sit for hours repeating the Koran. Time to give compassion to those men as well.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:42 AM
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Share the s/menkampf sub with them. PS how do I make it a link?
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:36 AM
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I think it is important to have them define what they mean by patriarchy first. Then you can challenge that. One interesting question if they are engaging, is to ask what is a society that is not a patriarchy.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:35 AM
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Those of you harmed by sexism in school, do consider engaging with your human rights commission. I did this when my son experienced sexism and they were willing to pressure a complaint with me if my son was asking to do so. He would have had to in some way demonstrate harm done to him. He decided not to. And I respected this. My guess is this is a very universal approach by Human Rights legislation in your own country.
/r/MensRights24/08/21 06:32 AM
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Most claims by feminists about the world are projections. When there is corruption or abuse in high places they project it is common as that is what they would do if they had that power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/21 01:17 AM
1

Nice collection. One of the frequent concerns for girls in theocratic started is that they aren't allowed to attend school. The reciprocal situation for boys when that happens is that they are forced to spend their education learning religious dogma. I wonder if that is happening in this situation.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 08:43 PM
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Women and men have a very similar response to the pro life and abortion issue. People seem to forget that and blame the mostly male politicians for acting as per their constituents wishes.
/r/MensRights21/08/21 09:57 AM
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The biggest human rights issue of our time is the lack of community and health services focused on men. This is despite significantly poor outcomes by many measures. I established and ran a service supporting men in my region that had been very successful. Turns out that men want support services done in a gendered way. Never let anyone get away with telling you that men have lots of service options but they just don't use them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 02:29 AM
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It gets down to definitions for a word like patriarchy. What often happens is a tight definition is used such as: a situation where men mostly populate the high profile political and economic roles. Then it is swapped from then on and used to imply that men as a gender control things to benefit their gender. Anyway, you are obviously one of the lucky that is benefiting from the current situation. A patriarch if you will. I fall into a few of the examples above as a man. In my case and in this co…
/r/MensRights19/08/21 10:26 PM
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I expect they know this is one of the outcome. But it's only the unenlightened that would hold a grudge about it so it doesn't matter. I graduated in engineering in 86. Women got special scholarships, access to tutors, the best internships, and the best highest paying jobs on graduation. I expect this was common back then across universities in north America. But most of you are younger and don't know this I expect. We guys just sucked it up and got on with our lives. To me gaps in knowledge lik…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 02:42 AM
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Women are either dominant or equal in most stem fields except engineering and computers. There are an awful lot of stem fields. In that case, it really depends on what area of stem you mean.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 02:35 AM
10

Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights18/08/21 03:39 AM
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I'm ok for a moral panic if it means we take care of men better as a result. I doing that will happen though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/21 10:40 PM
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I'm sympathetic to someone feeling grief and injustice as a result of being cut out of options for a full life that most have. And overcoming those feelings as well. I've known a number of highly charismatic individuals that confronted and overcame of at least learned to live with similar issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/21 10:35 PM
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We do, with that experience being gained during covid. Better in person but... They have a female Muslim woman doing counselling there, in case that matters to you. I've just finished up there. You can look them up and write to them at ???? Edit: removed the contract info after leaving it a day or so.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 10:07 AM
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Yes. And while population data such as the Otago Longitudinal Study show that it generally isn't as upsetting or dangerous for men, I expect in the end more men kill themselves as an outcome of victimisation than women. That is partly due to the higher suicide rate overall indicating just higher likelihood of harm. It is also partly due to what happens to male victims of dv when those care and justice systems are engaged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/21 03:27 AM
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I've run a counselling service for men for the last 8 years. I've heard many horror stories from men about counselors, so I'm not surprised to see a lot of them here. I never got that feedback about any of our counselors, though we do send out feedback forms etc. Our service was about taking care of men and this filtered out the counselors that dislike men or believe some philosophy that dismisses men. We have about 24 counselors, with half or so being women. The women were very overt in advocat…
/r/MensRights15/08/21 06:59 PM
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So why is the onus on the man to ensure it is managed overtly? Instead we could put the onus on the woman to declare her claim of him allowing him adequate time to respond.
/r/MensRights15/08/21 12:08 AM
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I think it's useful to point to personal responsibility. Having said that, there are definitely instances of pregnancy where men have been lied to or sperm jacked. And even then, I think there is an argument for men having a paper abortion when there is a genuine error leading to pregnancy.
/r/MensRights14/08/21 10:48 PM
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Exactly. We should be ensuring men have annual events sending them love on international men's day, for example. Telling men what we love about them is the best way to inspire it.
/r/MensRights14/08/21 10:23 PM
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She only referred to gender twice during the discussion. How women that have been sexually abused are vulnerable to Suicide. And later, how women that are domestic violence victims are vulnerable to Suicide. I think men were just as vulnerable, or more vulnerable, in both those cases. She got angry at me when I pointed that out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/21 05:46 PM
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Let's play swap the gender in this one and see what happens. Women die more due to domestic violence because they are weaker and not as skilled at fighting. Does that mean we shrug our shoulders and just treat them the same as we do men? Men are experiencing the most harm from this public health issue. I've watched up close in New Zealand as our Ministry of Health had prepared to respond to suicide. I have produced useful data in consultations and developed and suggested programs relevant to men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/21 10:30 AM
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Where I live tobacco is expected to not be sold in stores in 4 years or so. It's been a public health initiative for some time. We should legalize dope though, though less than half the population support that.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 06:00 PM
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It's very much a Human Rights issue, and I've heard some in those circles make the case for this. No one should be raised in a way that leaves them in a cycle of poverty and violence.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 03:05 AM
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Thanks for the thought. Catch up soon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/21 11:06 AM
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Tragic really. If you could get an honest answer from them it would likely be that women have it worse overall in so many areas that men just don't need their human rights considered. But as soon as they voiced that, they know it would be a lie they couldn't sustain. So just better if they shut you out. Have you considered going to the newspaper? They might be interested in covering it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/21 10:53 AM
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The issue of men not receiving this screening is compounded by how infrequently men need a doctor between ages 14 and 40. A similar situation exists for men's experience of historic sexual abuse. Very few men have that question put to them at any point, or see something that prompts their personal reflection on this issue. I've run a counselling service serving men for the past 7 years and we ask that question of every man on intake. We have about one in three to one in four that disclose someth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/21 08:59 PM
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Totally agree. It's ugly and not a helpful mindset.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 04:01 AM
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It isn't just feminists that blame men for their situation. This attitude toward men has been with humanity for much more time than feminism.
/r/MensRights19/07/21 03:57 AM
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Thanks. A good cut and paste for anyone in engaging with a person claiming that girls have it worse than boys.
/r/MensRights18/07/21 10:08 PM
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Sometimes I tell myself that eventually the world will become aware of misandry. And instances like you describe will be recycled in social media and repeated on an annual cycle, like women's suffrage is. Then I remind myself how unlikely that is. I don't expect justice and regrets about how we failed men and boys to emerge, beyond limited instances. I am hopeful however that we will make moderate advances in caring for men and boys if we persist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/21 10:00 PM
1

I guess that is why enthusiastic consent is the target for healthy sexual engagement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/21 09:48 AM
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Testosterone poisoning by the patriarchy. Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 02:27 AM
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Thanks for this post. I wouldn't change a thing on what you wrote. It doesn't feel political at all. Doesn't feel like some great war to be won. The greatest thing I've learned to do is liking other men and sending that signal out to them in a way that aligns with who I am. That is the interpersonal stuff that moves others. And when I do get into the gender political discussion it is because I'm caring about men. People already know that is my motivation in many cases, but it also informs how I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/21 07:43 PM
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And not enough MRA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 06:44 PM
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You must be an American. The aren't many of us in the rest of the developed world that find that information to be so muddied.
/r/MensRights07/07/21 04:00 PM
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Let's call it The Patriarchy! Sorry. I totally support what you said. Just frustrated at the injustice and blurted that out. Don't even know what it means.
/r/MensRights04/07/21 10:35 PM
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Mood changes due to menstruation cause so many complications in relationships. I wonder how much it drives the stories that are being told in light of this post. My wife is just getting past having periods and it is such a relief. There are so many times that it has triggered challenging thoughts in her, sometimes blaming toward me, then she spends the rest of the month backing off from those. I've been in many relationships and had similar experiences each time. I know it isn't wholly the pms c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/21 07:54 PM
3

I think this is about men having some of the early time with the kid instead of going to work after 2 weeks. It should be ring fenced so the man has to use it or lose it.
/r/MensRights04/07/21 04:37 PM
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Oh. It was in London that there were more acid attacks against men than women for a while. But I only found information claiming that 80% of acid attack victims in the developing world are women. So, I think I was likely wrong. Forgive me for not trusting the data entirely though as men have often not had their story included when victimisation happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/21 07:48 PM
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This issue reminds me of acid attacks. It seems these are used against men as much as women but it is only women that are in the press. In both cases these examples are usually in the developing world. And they are naively used as example of how women have it even harder than men in developing countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/21 07:24 PM
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I'm a full on Mra. I've used our human rights act to get men included in courses, written any number of submissions regarding legislation, supported a large range of research for men, written guest editorials about men's issues and did some things to celebrate international men's day the last 3 years. It's good that we challenge and support each other on this sub to be more active. But I see this sub as extremely effective to just learn about men's issues. Consciousness raising is what they call…
/r/MensRights03/07/21 09:40 AM
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Oh. Interesting but not very robust as an experiment.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 01:15 AM
1

I look forward to looked crazy times when someone can call themselves a women's rights advocate. Then at least the bulk of them will be honest.
/r/MensRights02/07/21 12:58 AM
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Yeah. I got that. I understand people wanting him to be punished as well. I feel that way. My point is that punishment for criminal offences is very much a men's issue since we are the main recipient. Police and justice systems cheating largely harms men. Pudding back against this is important to create a just society. It's as good as we have, that approach. I extend this attitude toward men and women receiving quite different responses when family violence is involved. There is a large disparit…
/r/MensRights02/07/21 12:51 AM
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I don't know the Cosby case. Maltreatment by the justice system is a men's rights issue. Many men are screwed over by the police and more, with them having done minimal crime. Those men require advocates.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 10:43 PM
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There are a consistent stream of feminists coming to this sub and saying this. They try to include men's issues on a feminist sub and "that's a ban" is the standard response.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 10:38 PM
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They mention that it is about 60% boys, then go to great lengths to point out the many ways in which girls might not have been included in the data. I wonder if they put such a critical eye toward the situation of the boys.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 10:27 PM
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I expect there argument is that men would still get the benefits of the patriarchy and also benefit from those responses that are meant to compensate women for their discounted status.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 10:22 PM
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Wow. You need a lesson in the term hyperagency. You've listed some factors internal to men, unkindly I might add, but not one outside them. Men mostly kill themselves because they genuinely don't want to live. Most people in the situation those men are in would feel the same.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 10:20 PM
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No wonder anxiety is going through the roof despite life being quite easy for most in the western world. America... Less so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 11:56 PM
14

Wow! In the 2013–14 academic year, 4.2 percent of Colgate's students were black. According to the university's records, in that year black male students were accused of 50 percent of the sexual violations reported to the university
/r/MensRights28/06/21 08:52 PM
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Well, you probably felt hate toward that one. That's is one data point...
/r/MensRights28/06/21 08:45 PM
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I guess you can always double bag for safety purposes...
/r/MensRights26/06/21 10:11 PM
5

Worst. Patriarchy. Ever!
/r/MensRights26/06/21 07:18 PM
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I can see a woman wanting to use her own supplied condom. Could have been honest in that way.
/r/MensRights26/06/21 07:09 PM
1

I don't personally experience life that way. I think we treated my dad that way to a limited extent. I more notice that my earning is taken for granted. I feel grateful that my wife also brings home the bacon. She doesn't feel the same toward me doing so. Yet we both put a lot of conscious effort into gratitude as a means to lift life satisfaction. I've pointed it out to her and she goes silent each time. She is a deep thinker and an empathetic person so we've both been surprised at finding this…
/r/MensRights25/06/21 06:56 PM
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I agree. Hopefully we are working on men being much more supportive of each other.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 06:33 PM
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If posts here are accurate, most slut shaming is done by women. So, continuing the theme: Your gender experiences harm? Blame it on the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights20/06/21 05:06 PM
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Yeah. You have to play the long game. In the meantime, I know what you are going through at an emotional level. It hurts.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 07:24 PM
3

You should post this as a separate post.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 07:10 PM
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I think society doesn't understand how painful most men find it to be separated from their children. They do when a mother is involved. I've seen the grief of so many men in that situation. My condolences to you my friend.
/r/MensRights19/06/21 07:08 PM
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We are talking about imprisonment here. Not substance abuse. Every simile has portions where things are similar and portions where they are different.
/r/MensRights18/06/21 05:18 PM
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I expect drug decriminalization is as much a men's rights issue as abortion is a women's rights issue.
/r/MensRights18/06/21 05:00 PM
4

I'm on this sub for men's well being. I'm at a men's health event at this very moment. It came out of people being aware of men's health week, or month, or whatever. I was at an event yesterday where a man did a 24 hour walk, raising awareness of male victims of dv. Raised funds for counseling for male victims. I can give lots of previous examples in my personal space. But really, this question comes up once a month here. Go have a look at those replies.
/r/MensRights17/06/21 07:02 AM
3

A friend pointed out that if you are a man walking out of a nightclub you are scanning for threats. Woman are chatting. I've noticed it in myself now many times. I don't know where it comes from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/21 10:07 AM
2

I've been in lots of men's groups. I even run a men's support service so think about this stuff a lot. Is it mutual support group? Or a gender political group? You probably need to be clear it is one or the other. I've never had a feminist criticize me for groups or whatever. I've had a number reach over and say thanks for doing it. I'm not in a woke city though, and a bit older so less likely to bump into that.
/r/MensRights12/06/21 05:31 AM
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Sounds very human to want the perks but not the downside of a deal. What is the equivalent social deal for a man? I cant come up with a strong example. Maybe guys get more kudos from getting laid?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 03:45 PM
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Interesting. I accepted the claim others made that the term was first used about prison rape but can't find any source to support that. Kudos.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 03:05 PM
3

I support you telling her that you have experienced harassment as well and find her not including your experience to be harmful to you. Then take it to her boss.
/r/MensRights09/06/21 09:05 PM
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I stopped donating to them decades ago due to their sexism against men in such general posters. I forget what it was at the time. It was crazy though because the bulk of the people that they had chosen as needing support due to political imprisonment were men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/21 04:24 PM
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It didn't cost anything to complain to the HRC. And they aren't generally known for helping men at all, so I was surprised they said yes. I found it very satisfying to see the police squirm.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 07:01 PM
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I was involved in a similar case where the men went to our human rights commission complaining about sexism by the police. They accepted the case and we met with the police. The man have up at that point when the police didn't just apologise. He had had enough. But in your case I believe a compromise would be for the police to charge the woman.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 06:47 PM
1

I watched Chaos Walking last night. A fairly good scifi film. This involved the women all being gone. Was eventually painted as very sinister which is was.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 02:30 AM
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I wish. The number of professionals I've seen blame men for their circumstances is pretty damn high, unfortunately.
/r/MensRights01/06/21 01:33 AM
9

A shorter answer would be the following. Because they aren't women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/21 01:13 AM
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What we fail to recognise in society and on this sub is that there are very few special doorways that men can get care through. While it is different in every region, women get offered a lot more support services on their life journey. I run one of the few services for men and businesses is booming. We are twice as large as the next biggest counselling service in our region and still growing. Pretty much all of our clients are men. Men want support services. They just don't have them available.
/r/MensRights30/05/21 05:39 AM
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Thanks. I appreciate the work done. I watched the first third but got to the possible reasons for men not using services then balked. I really struggle with the explanations that most researchers have for male behavior. It could be you got past reasons inside men, such as the toxic masculinity starter, but I didn't have the heart to continue. I set up and have run a support service for men for the last decade. Men poured in the door once we got going. We are now the largest community counseling …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 08:10 AM
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I'm generally not very trusting of the explanations researchers come up with when boys or men are doing worse. At least this comment by the researcher isn't without compassion. “I think that that speaks to the gendered way our society socializes emotion in boys versus girls,” Osborne said. “We don’t have data to test this, so I’m pulling more from theory and past research, but I think that girls receive more coaching on how to regulate their emotions from teachers, older siblings and peers than …
/r/MensRights26/05/21 05:53 PM
2

Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights25/05/21 10:48 PM
1

I expect there are few people on this sub that don't have baggage in regard to women. Or men for that matter. I don't expect purity. But we also don't have any real measure of comments made and a definition to work from so it's hard to give an objective measure. Just subjective. I expect the emotional reaction of someone who is focused on improving the world for women would have done initial reactions to overcome in reading content here. Some issues look zero sum at first glance and when emotion…
/r/MensRights25/05/21 10:48 PM
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Interesting observation. It goes counter to the story of women carrying the emotional load in the relationship.
/r/MensRights23/05/21 07:44 PM
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My expectation is that people that falsely accuse someone of rape don't care about the impact on others. They only care about what it does for them in that moment. And the vast majority of people acting this way have a personality disorder. Some 10% of women have one, so there are a lot of there.
/r/MensRights23/05/21 06:38 PM
2

Wow. That opening line about engaging a man claiming to be a fv victim. While men can be victims of family violence, men are more likely to be harmed by a stranger than by a family member. Bizarre that they think this means they are then less likely to be a fv victim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/21 01:13 AM
3

I think we should generally ignore it and focus on caring for men, and pointing out the lack of care for men. It's just feeding trolls, talking about feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/21 01:06 AM
5

Same policy in New Zealand by our Ministry of Health.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/21 12:30 AM
11

It doesn't seem so unequal expressed that way. It's a pretty complex issue overall. But it wouldn't be framed that way I expect if women were the minority. Much like the pay gap claims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/21 07:55 PM
8

If it was right for him I hope he did.
/r/MensRights16/05/21 12:04 AM
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We recycle rage here
/r/MensRights16/05/21 12:01 AM
11

Excellent. Exactly what I would have chosen.
/r/MensRights16/05/21 12:00 AM
5

One assumption people make is that if a man is killed he must have been a combatant. And if wasn't, he should have been.
/r/MensRights14/05/21 08:20 PM
2

I'm surprised. I assumed integrated services would reinforce the current paradigm. I also saw the potential of the service being changed by actually engaging with men as victims, but from what I've seen that doesn't emerge easily.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/21 06:45 PM
16

I wonder what would happen if we could analyse the data for those single moms with personality disorders. Last I looked 10% of women fit the criteria.
/r/MensRights08/05/21 10:07 AM
1

I decided to make a post a few hours ago to discuss this if you want to have a look.
/r/MensRights08/05/21 06:26 AM
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I'm glad it rang true to you. We probably need someone to create a regular wall of data for this whenever mental health and make suicide come up. This happens for male dv victims, with some painting a great big 10 paragraph summary each time.
/r/MensRights08/05/21 05:16 AM
1

Thanks. I have a hard time interesting a paper like this but it looks like it didn't sorry my statements. It said that 51% of the men that completed suicide had a diagnosed mental health condition. That surprised me a bit as the the men I know that committed suicide hasn't seen professional about their mental health in the year before their death. Anyway, thanks for that.
/r/MensRights08/05/21 05:13 AM
3

America is more neglectful of the mental health of its people than where I live. Could be you are speaking from that experience. Where I live, mental health is less associated with extreme poverty, both in reality and in the mind of the public. Regardless, that first link is about American women having lots more social problems then men as the main cause. The focus is very much on issues external to women, including material needs. Contrast that with how people attribute the reasons for men and …
/r/MensRights08/05/21 12:46 AM
3

Women are twice as likely to have a diagnosable mental health condition. Maybe men are doing something right overall. Mental health is referred to in the thread without being aware of the above.
/r/MensRights07/05/21 07:57 PM
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Can you say more about the decision being gender related? Isn't enough detail in the article to clarify.
/r/MensRights07/05/21 07:44 PM
1

R/witchesagainstpatriarchy banned me for some reason. Don't think I ever posted there and only subbed to it for a month or so out of curiosity. The ban came 4 or 5 months after I'd quit the sub.
/r/MensRights06/05/21 08:55 PM
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I think most people don't put a lot of thought into gender politics but have a firm belief that women need special support and protection. They wouldn't frame it as patriarchy, because they haven't thought about their justification. They just feel more protective of women. If radical feminism disappeared tomorrow we would still be in a very similar situation is my guess. I think this sub puts way too much time into focusing on that issue than in developing our compassion for men as the leading i…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 06:30 PM
4

I agree. I think jabs at feminism are a distraction as well. The core matter is that we just don't care so much about men.
/r/MensRights01/05/21 05:23 PM
37

Not wholly true. More men die of the more passive, soft forms of suicide as well. I've heard it argued that men fully commit to the suicide, even with the passive methods.
/r/MensRights01/05/21 05:19 PM
1

Hmm. Maybe all those jibes at cat ladies on this sub are very misguided.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/21 07:59 AM
2

I've had a jack russell terrier for the last three years, never having owned an animal in my life. It blows me and my whole family away how strongly we care about him. I often joke that if the four of us were on a boat that only had room for three, we would all agree that the dog stays on board them right for the remaining spaces. Anyway, nice post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/21 07:59 PM
2

It's hard to tell tone, hence the /s being so common. I'm glad you care about this and said something just in case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 04:51 PM
5

Oh. You didn't understand me. That bit about patriarchy could have had a /s behind it I guess. I've cared for lots of male victims of dv.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 10:44 AM
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Wonderful. Congratulations to them and those that have worked on this. I really hope the government does get behind them and fund them. A real test as to whether the patriarchy is a system set up by men to serve them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 10:26 AM
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Probably. And it may have quite not to test herself in that forum. It does mean she excluded a guy from therapy, but still for the best I expect. Even out of care for him.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 02:13 AM
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She might be right about you not working out in the group. Gender politics is an explosive mix and might be harmful, even if you are right. And could be the therapist knows they can't manage their own feelings around it. Having said that, why would gender politics even come up in a therapy group? It is people telling their story and unpacking it, comparing it with others.
/r/MensRights26/04/21 07:22 PM
1

Some 10 to 15% of women have a personality disorder. That is awfully hard on a male partner and harder on the kids. If society acknowledged such situations we would be a lot better off. We could ensure those kids are protected, and the parents are supported. And if the family breaks down fathers would be seen as the initial primary parent and false accusations would have much less effect.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 08:24 PM
2

I'm fine with fixing the gender pay gap. Women should work harder and more hours. It just isn't fair as it currently stands. Though I say the above, I don't believe it. It is valid though. Taking that approach would be a loser for society making everybody less happy overall.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 08:19 PM
9

Gendered issues in university settings are rarely free of high commitment to feminism as the defining structure. That commitment doesn't tolerate challenges at all.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 08:14 PM
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I'd go with gender just isn't that much of an issue for MRA types. We have less, even no, dogma about men. There is one emerging about gender social history being one of compatibility. Where both genders had roles, not necessarily fixed roles, but neither had it better or worse. Though this isn't canon. And trans doesn't matter in that context. And it doesn't matter in the current context either as we aren't tied to being owed something from past grievances.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 08:12 PM
3

We have lots of comments by trans but nothing about trans. It just isn't an issue here.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 06:50 PM
8

It was rigged at least 40 years ago when I trained in stem. Best jobs. Best internships. Special opportunities. Wine and cheese with the Dean.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 06:47 PM
2

Ok. I'm on leave but get back to you in bit more than a week.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/21 07:39 AM
2

Thanks. I'll write the mods and suggest that some time. I've got lots of information and even more opinions. More than anything, having stories of success and support by the community to do this should be heartening for people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/21 01:04 AM
8

Thanks so much for your work. My day job is running a charity that takes care of all the men in my region. Every time I see your imagery and the thought process behind it, I'm moved. It takes care of me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/21 07:21 PM
1

Our ranking declined significantly. Numbers steadily grew.
/r/MensRights19/04/21 11:36 PM
14

It's also a projection. It says just how they would act in that position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/21 07:11 PM
3

I've been enjoying reddit for a decade. I suspect this sub is having much more impact than the numbers say. So much informed discussions about men's situation is covered in other subs with greater sympathy than they used to be.
/r/MensRights18/04/21 07:25 PM
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But this is different. They feel like this is true. /S
/r/MensRights18/04/21 07:21 PM
2

Yes. Followed by, to the moon, and studio laughter.. this 30 second youtube video should suffice
/r/MensRights18/04/21 05:33 PM
3

You know who did it?
/r/MensRights18/04/21 09:50 AM
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Men being dumb in sitcoms has a long history. I used to see an old program called the honeymooners, very much that theme. He used to shake his first in anger at her most episodes saying he would hit her one day. You wouldn't do that anymore!
/r/MensRights18/04/21 09:47 AM
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Thanks. I've seen most of that. I've done a deep dive into my own countries data and found similar. I've also seen that data dismissed, claiming on the "conflict tactical scale" male victims just aren't victims in most cases. Ugly really.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 03:15 AM
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I am the CEO of a group that takes care of men as it's focus. I went to a conference about 2 weeks ago that was able male perpetrators of family violence. There were only 8 men in the group of about 150. The main speaker informed us that men are the primary aggressor in 97.5% of domestic violence incidents. I stayed quiet because I'm used to it. I just can't imagine any other group being discussed in its failings in this manner, even if it were true. That just isn't the way to overcome them. Rec…
/r/MensRights13/04/21 10:38 PM
2

Because it works. It's not right.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 12:19 AM
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Wow. How crushed would that guy be.
/r/MensRights13/04/21 12:15 AM
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Yeah. Still thought it worthy of mention here. For better or worse.
/r/MensRights12/04/21 06:39 PM
1

Blaming any group for their behavior without having some compassion for that behavior. That is only done when men are the group. I'm glad you got some pushback.
/r/MensRights09/04/21 09:51 PM
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I think I'll need a source on THAT claim.
/r/MensRights05/04/21 07:20 PM
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This one says 10 to 15%
/r/MensRights04/04/21 05:00 PM
3

Got any population data to support that?
/r/MensRights04/04/21 01:38 AM
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Some of the respondents are sympathetic with the op. Others are very much the radfem types, I mean in an unhinged way. Her daughter has been diagnosed with a bpd. I'm saddened that a lot more the comments aren't focused on this and on the mom holding the necessary boundaries to manage that. Remember that 5% of women have a personality disorder of some kind. That group can be pretty unhinged and destructive. I think they are very present on that sub. I note that a similar percentage of men have a…
/r/MensRights03/04/21 08:39 PM
1

Thanks. It did look like you had gone off track and were criticizing me. Now I get your intent. Yeah. Frustrating that men can apparently only be the villain in the cultural narrative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 09:01 PM
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To be fair, men also do that. Probably not to the same degree though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 05:49 PM
2

Eh. They just reflect this saying patriarchy also harms men. It's just a big shell game for them. But they believe the magic, even though they are doing it themselves.
/r/MensRights30/03/21 05:44 PM
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Unfair? Maybe unscientific. But interesting on the surface of it. Have you got any critique beyond unfair?
/r/MensRights28/03/21 07:55 PM
1

Show her your self. Love her fiercely. Play with her and delight in her. Do all that and you will both have a great time and both will grow into marvelous people.
/r/MensRights27/03/21 08:30 PM
1

5% of women have a personality disorder of some kind. That explains an awful lot of bad experiences by men.
/r/MensRights27/03/21 08:27 PM
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I'm a dude but I'd much rather be married to a fortune 500 ceo and choose an easy life than to be that ceo. And those ceo types are married in the vast majority of cases.
/r/MensRights27/03/21 08:14 PM
1

Something similar happened at my son's school a year ago in New Zealand. Some boys had a fight during the lunch period. They were unclear who. The deputy provincial pulled all the boys out of class and told them off collectively. She threatened them as a group that they would be watched closely at the coming school camp and send them home on any problems. I won't get into the outcome but nothing happened as a result of my limited challenge of the behavior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/21 08:00 PM
5

Definitely. I see the men's issues movement as the most recent one in a long line of movements. With those all during toward a more compassionate and healthy society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/21 05:36 PM
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I think women are threatened by men being playful. Unless they are looking for a man to have a baby with. Then it is highly attractive. Men that are playful are tapping into their creativity. They are unpredictable and with that control of them is more difficult. I know it is a subjective thing but I associate playfulness much more with masculinity. With that being true in men and women. That creative passionate stuff.
/r/MensRights25/03/21 07:04 AM
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Unfortunately it also attracts gullible or ignorant sorts as well for a while. It definitely isn't all good. So many men internalizing the hatred.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/21 06:43 AM
1

Great. Don't want to take the neurosis of the world on.
/r/MensRights25/03/21 02:11 AM
2

I've had just such a discussion with my 21 year old daughter recently. She was vague about how I hadn't supported her mom as she knew I paid all CS plus added any number of other purchases. I don't know where she got the idea except for her mom. My guess is it is better not to focus on it but reassure her I love her and have always watched out for her. And I'll keep doing it because I'm dad.
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:33 PM
2

I wish this were a convert her bot.
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:27 PM
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I'm glad to hear that. I'm sad to hear that you are in situations where you are told you are a rapist. Probably not the right people to hang around with.
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:25 PM
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I agree. It is presented to you. I support you ignoring it when you are in that situation and just go with what feels right to you.
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:23 PM
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I think op needs a definition of what they mean by rape culture.
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:21 PM
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I'm 60 and as a young man at times would cross the street to minimize possible distress in another person. I'm usually walking much faster than the other person, which can heighten the situation. I still do it. It isn't a big thing to give. To be told it is something I should do or I'll be judged, well that makes it feel much different. All it takes is a small minority preloading up such a simple decision and it changes my experience from one where I give courtesy, to one where I fear judgement …
/r/MensRights24/03/21 07:13 PM
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I have no evidence to support this whatsoever. Are those boys raised by solo moms mostly being raised by women with borderline personality disorders or narcissism? That would do an awful lot to explain the situation, but also would be a very unpopular topic to investigate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/21 10:11 AM
1

It's an unconscious assumption that the gender most capable of violence are the ones that will practice it. The research doesn't show that.
/r/MensRights21/03/21 11:25 PM
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Population data gets you a more accurate summary of what is happening. That's where they ask a fixed audience a range of questions. You find them that would and men are experiencing and perpetrating abuse in equal degrees. Women are more likely to get hurt though. But there is also some info cited on this sub where women are much more likely to initiate abuse and not have it reciprocated. A women's advocate would prefer to look at police reports and death rates. That's where they get to ignore t…
/r/MensRights17/03/21 02:13 AM
12

I run a support service for men. We are the busiest counseling service in the region by far. My staff are surprised when people say men don't ask for help. Or don't talk about their feelings. Or are emotionally illiterate. The outrageous engagement by men at our service has taught me that men largely haven't been cared for previously. Hyperagency explains so much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/21 11:03 PM
2

I know people are bad on their own. But I often suspect bad actors are also driving this behavior with the intent to destabilize our society. Yes, social media algorithms are also involved. But pitching women against men, and men against themselves adds up to a very disconnected society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/21 08:29 PM
4

Same for me as a 60 year old dude. Boys will be boys was a way to laughingly enjoy a boys exploratory play. Frogs, fishing, mud, whatever. The phrase had truly been hijacked if that is the only context it is said in anymore.
/r/MensRights14/03/21 05:02 AM
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... But we have to stay focused on the victims...
/r/MensRights14/03/21 03:28 AM
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Great link. I note that in other situations when men experience significant declines in employment compared with women there aren't any task forces set up to address it, nevermind all male task forces. My understanding is that recessions significantly hit men harder than women. Not my area of expertise but of true this should be something we all become more aware of
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/21 12:45 AM
2

Oh. Guess I'm living in another reality. I wasn't kidding when I wrote that, but do recognised I was probably wrong about the music. So you reckon that women in music are overall selling pretty much as much as men if not more?
/r/MensRights09/03/21 09:52 PM
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I expect you are right. The Uncle Tom for men. But there should still be hope for change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 07:28 PM
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I think men would be unwise to trust they would be represented in that case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 07:27 PM
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Popular music seems heavily dominated by men. Same with pretty much every high skill area where the top 1% are the winners and the rest have trouble paying their bills. Is there any high competition situation where men don't dominate? Let's ignore things where women models, porn stars and strippers as those are all selling the beauty of women.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 06:43 PM
3

Yeah. It is a common story on this sub, being banned from there. You can wear it as a badge of honor!
/r/MensRights09/03/21 05:15 PM
1

Re male prisoners as victims of childhood sexual abuse, whenever I go digging I get a mixed message about that high figure. One paper showed 60% when I went looking just now. Another showed less that 25%. I suspect it is hard to get the info. A paper I just read found that 40 of those prisoners that had experienced childhood sexual abuse didn't define it as sexual abuse. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16412506/ found that 60% of the men had experienced some form of sexual abuse up to the age of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 04:45 PM
4

I had a look through your comments and see you recent post on askfeminists. The responses you got were madness. The sub was set up to engage people in genuine questions, I assume. I suspect it does much more toward discrediting feminists. Anyway, thanks again.
/r/MensRights09/03/21 04:25 PM
3

I run a counselling service for men with us serving maybe 250 men per week. It is normal that more than half the team are women. I notice that the women want me to be much more active as an mra in the community. I suspect they are unusual though in that they approached us with more of a gender agenda than the men did.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/21 11:55 PM
1

Did they though? I would have been thoroughly impressed if the UN in any of their name communication branches recognized IMD.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 10:00 PM
2

I work with male survivors of sexual abuse and the claim is that 70% of male prisoners experienced childhood sexual abuse. Might work in well with that data in imagery of it is accurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/21 05:49 PM
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Damn. You seem so moderate to me. And factual. I guess that makes me a radical, brief burner. Anyway, thanks for your work. You illuminate the issues.
/r/MensRights08/03/21 05:44 PM
4

Oh. Really? Have you got a link to confirm this? Horrible if true.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 10:28 PM
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Even mentioning it means you are sympathetic to that claim not being accurate. All good.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 10:26 PM
1

Damn. It's pretty scary when you do the research and find out that about 1 in 20 women have a borderline personality or narcissism disorder. They can do an awful lot of damage.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 10:24 PM
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I like that they did this article. The information further along was very interesting. I suspect overall men are very much blamed for desire slipping out of the relationship, with women not taking a good share of the responsibility. I often cringe when they discuss theoretical models in regards to gender and sexuality. Very few of those have a neutral or even better a positive regard for men.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 10:21 PM
2

Try it in anonymous mode. Could be different.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 08:30 PM
2

Once a cultural myth like this is established they rarely go away. Especially if they support am unconscious bias. You can shout to the rooftops that it isn't true, but just repeating that keeps it alive.
/r/MensRights07/03/21 08:25 PM
18

Wow. Free meals. So much for feminism. How does that work? They both turn up on a date and the guy pays in hopes of things working out?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/21 02:52 AM
1

I didn't, thinking you didn't want that identifying info available for others to see. Oh. I see. Now you are just being receive. So much better than the rest of us. This sub can bring ugly stuff out of people. Looks like you fit in.
/r/MensRights03/03/21 09:16 PM
2

If you are on that project you might want to edit or delete this response. I found info about it with the employees quite easily. Also, if it is the one I was looking at, the home page reminds me of most systems addressing men. Similar to the stopping violence porgrammes, it appears to be focused on helping the man to overcome his internal issues. That perspective begs the question of whether you are serving men and their actual needs. I would think if a system was designed based on men's needs …
/r/MensRights03/03/21 08:34 PM
2

How about developing an Intersectional Marxism theory!
/r/MensRights03/03/21 08:22 PM
1

Again, you must be new here!
/r/MensRights01/03/21 07:21 PM
3

You must be new here! It's interesting that most people start in that place, assuming women have been oppressed forever. I suspect it's because it really isn't easy to spot any discrimination in day to day life. We make the same mistake in assuming women in the developing world have it harder than men.
/r/MensRights01/03/21 05:29 PM
2

Try searching for street epistemology. Lots of examples on YouTube.
/r/MensRights01/03/21 05:19 PM
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I have a friend, he runs a support service for male victims of dv. He says a good half the guys are male victims of sexual abuse, mostly in childhood. Victims, both male and female, are very much linked to preparators. I think the attraction is mutual.
/r/MensRights28/02/21 07:30 PM
0

I agree this sub had to watch this type of double standard. Would you mind making the point that you as a feminist disagree and how you disagree so we have at least one data point on hand?
/r/MensRights27/02/21 11:29 PM
1

Alimony is a crazy concept. America is so backwards that way.
/r/MensRights27/02/21 11:27 PM
10

I suspect there are better subs to do some personal development work in regards to loving men. Can't think of any. It is a good sub to understand men's situation though and help you get past some of the irrational anger. Lots of trans and gay posts here, covering the gender crossing would be useful I suspect.
/r/MensRights23/02/21 01:25 AM
4

Let's not forget that women are twice as likely to have a mental health problem, even after you account for men not being engaged by services as much. I've cared for about a thousand men that declared social thoughts or worse. They generally have had damn good reasons for that type of thinking. We fail men when we allow suicide issues to be seen through the mental health lens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/21 10:54 PM
5

Male suicide deaths by the soft methods sick as poisoning and pills is still higher than women's when you look at completion. It isn't the method, it's the intent that kills men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/21 10:50 PM
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Do a random survey of people in the flesh. Ask them if they like men. Don't do it on the internet.
/r/MensRights17/02/21 10:38 PM
2

Men feel the hate and it is harmful. Having hate directed at you almost always brings out the worst in people. I'm that way it is harmful to both men and women. How about getting behind International Men's Day each year as a focus, in contrast. Sending our ta message of high regard for a group inspires them.
/r/MensRights17/02/21 10:20 PM
2

I'm old so can say I agree with your perspective. Things have changed and are changing. Men's advocacy has grown out of infancy but is still quite young. But we've already made big steps.
/r/MensRights17/02/21 10:13 PM
3

Stay hopeful. I run a service caring for male survivors of sexual abuse with the money for that being from a central government. Just tell people you think men need that kind of support where you live as well. Society evolves. Not swiftly. But it does.
/r/MensRights17/02/21 10:10 PM
8

Lots of crazy people in the world. Stay strong. There are lots of us that love men. I think that is the normal position for the vast majority of people.
/r/MensRights17/02/21 10:09 PM
3

Such clarity. Good to have your on our team.
/r/MensRights16/02/21 09:54 PM
9

I wish every boy and girl had a father engaged, excepting cases of abuse of course. My wife is a wonderful person but just does not understand my teenage son at all and would get horribly abusive toward him without my interventions and support. It would be unfair to him to not have me around in his life loving him. Especially in the current context. He described a girl yesterday walking over and, without any profession by him, she him him as hard as she could on the head. It knocked his expensiv…
/r/MensRights16/02/21 01:25 AM
10

I've always done well at school, and am a man. But sitting for more than half an hour for this purpose drives me crazy. I like the summerhill school model system for that reason. Kids decide when and what they learn mostly.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 10:14 PM
1

One thing that few are aware of how women tend toward neuroticism. They are twice as likely to have mental health issues.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 09:02 PM
17

I forget which celebrity said, next time I am thinking about settling down I'm going to find a woman i hate and but her a house. Saves a lot of pain. Think it was rod Stewart.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 08:55 PM
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My son just started high school and is doing coed physical education. This course involved them sitting and listening most of the time so far. Or very moderate physical action. It occurred to me that it is like he and the bulk of the boys in his class are being held up by the lack of physicality of the girls. The class is aligned with the needs of the girls instead of the boys. So far. Subtle, but it puts a real burden on him to just sit still so much. Sexist in impact.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 08:52 PM
1

I saw some remarkable data a while back that explains a lot of why men aren't engaged in medical practices. Boys and girls attend a medical practice at about the same rate until they are 15 or so. Then the boys basically disappear, while the girls continue on having a range of visits, with that being a median of twice per year. Masculinity didn't cause this change. The boys had no reason to keep seeing a doctor. The girls had reasons, with those being gender related. Around the age or 40, men st…
/r/MensRights14/02/21 03:03 AM
3

I like that men generally have that attitude. The downside is that we expect that response from men and don't get around to fixing issues like this. Hyper agency.
/r/MensRights14/02/21 02:56 AM
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Sad. Injustice is a horrible thing to experience.
/r/MensRights14/02/21 02:46 AM
3

I find it pretty safe to point out that men are generally denied care as domestic violence victims. They exist and when they ask for help they are told no. Don't get bogged down in how many there are. They matter. You could also raise circumcision. Before you mention either you should say female victims matter. Then refer to the men stuff. When a small gain is a good gain.
/r/MensRights11/02/21 09:52 PM
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I'd prefer to lose my right to vote over my right to my sexuality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/21 07:08 PM
1

Oh. I think you missed my point. Yes. It's very possible. It was the new awareness that that may have happened. And that there are significant efforts by a range of parties using boards to choose others before me because of identity. It isn't a huge thing for me. I can retire if I want in the next few years. I had thought my combination of skills and wisdom would be useful to others before I finished up, which would be a pleasure to give.
/r/MensRights01/02/21 08:45 AM
1

Thanks. I'll be doing that.
/r/MensRights01/02/21 12:03 AM
3

I'm for a meritocracy as the first principal. That question of what is best for our mission, for whatever the directorship is serving. The tough part is deciding what that best is.
/r/MensRights31/01/21 12:26 AM
6

I'm old. There were comics in Readers Digest Magazine 50 years ago showing men getting in trouble for helping women in an emergency. It was something to do with needing to grab them around the chest area and the woman screaming about assault. I suspect things haven't changed much, whatever the motivator is.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 09:15 AM
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Biology does set us all up for breeding. It doesn't care too much how we all feel about it. Just that it happens.
/r/MGTOW229/01/21 08:11 PM
5

I'm amazed that a researcher considers it ok to use a term that is so offensive to most of those they are studying. I expect the bulk of those researchers couldn't tell you three things they like about men. It seems unethical to me to research a group if you don't hold them in high regard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/21 02:31 AM
3

That is just so moving. Thanks for the work you are doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 06:47 PM
5

Oh. Nice challenge!
/r/MensRights19/01/21 01:10 AM
2

So true.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 07:23 PM
1

Something interesting in relation to gp usage. I saw days for my region about gp access over the age range for men and women. The median usage for women of a general practice is twice per year between the age of 15 and 40. For men the median is 0. I asked the doctor presenting the data why that is and he said that men just don't generally have a reason to see a doctor over that time but women do. That means the women have a relationship with a general practice and have a chance to ask questions …
/r/MensRights15/01/21 10:30 AM
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Women in NZ get breast cosmetic surgery after removal if they want. No charge. I'm told it is due to this being critical to their sexual health. Men that lose their capacity to get an erection due to prostate cancer and related surgery get no support for erectile pills. They have to pay for them if they want to be able to get an erection. Not taking such pills means you won't be able to get an erection ever again in most cases.
/r/MensRights15/01/21 10:25 AM
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Thanks for the advice. I had set up a basic site in NZ with the intention of such a project. I found limited support from other men's groups around the country for now so decided to leave it. I'm accomplishing enough regionally for now. But yes, I agree. You don't have to re create the wheel. Just start with the freaking others have done and fill in the blanks.
/r/MensRights15/01/21 03:05 AM
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Nice. I'm glad it is happening. I like it being an independent group. Having said that, this and more should be funded. Men accept and seek help. It's time for those that haven't found a way to trigger that behavior to step aside and allow those that can do it, run it.
/r/MensRights15/01/21 02:02 AM
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Thanks. I'm in touch with the guys in Australia. Our mates in Nelson NZ did some similar work. Though we don't have a national body for men's well being in NZ.
/r/MensRights15/01/21 01:55 AM
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I see this as a phase we are going thru. Men's issues being understood and advocate for had done very well on Reddit. Hasn't heard of Andy's before. Looks great. I've not had great luck getting groups like that going on my region. I think it requires a champion, and for us working at a national level. If anyone in NZ wants to emulate it I would support them.
/r/MensRights14/01/21 11:50 PM
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By internal reasons, I meant because of some fault in the men themselves. "Toxic masculinity" is how the worst of them say it. We set up an affordable counseling service open 9 to 9 7 days per week. We have done a good job marketing ourselves. And we cracked the market. I checked with other counseling services in the area and none told me they experienced a shift in their gender data because in the 5 years while we built up our service. We didn't just crack the market. We reached into an existin…
/r/MensRights14/01/21 06:19 PM
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I'm not in America, sorry. New Zealand. I read about the issue though and was appalled.
/r/MensRights14/01/21 06:07 PM
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I run the largest counseling service in my region. The service is a men's support service. I am well past believing men don't use counselors because of internal reasons. No more than women.
/r/MensRights14/01/21 01:45 PM
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I'm almost 60, had quite a lot of women as lights but can't think of a time when I had that situation. Pretty pathetic it that's the case though.
/r/MGTOW211/01/21 07:13 PM
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We have gotten better at managing prostate cancer but I think there is a strong argument to be made that it has been much less of a focus than breast and cervical cancers. Bowel cancer is 50% more common in men and a major killer as well that a men's health push would be right to focus on. It is easier to find and treat in the early stages of what I've heard is correct.
/r/MensRights09/01/21 10:05 PM
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This sub conflates feminist and feminism with neglect of care for men on a regular basis. If every feminist disappeared tomorrow we would still have a system that is uninterested in the well being of men, but interested in that of women. In this case, I've regularly heard the medical system tell men that they are much more likely to die with prostate cancer than to die of prostate cancer. That is accurate and for good advise for an individual case when making a medical decision according to the …
/r/MensRights09/01/21 06:13 PM
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citation needed...
/r/MensRights08/01/21 05:13 PM
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Take a look at almost any comedy series and it is the guys that are the target of most of the jokes. Joking at the expense of a woman or women is very risky, with men and women being similar in their protection of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/21 11:02 PM
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I'm hoping this is just a progression that happens. In the early days they used to blame women for staying in relationships. Then they figured out what the barriers were that were beyond their internal issues that kept them engaging with those abusers. Then they made the solutions happen, and now we don't even refer to women that choose to stay with violent partners. More women die in intimate partner violence than men. It's because women are weaker. Shrug. More men die due to suicide. It's beca…
/r/MensRights29/12/20 12:08 AM
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Hyperagency being practiced by this author. There are many external reasons for men experiencing less care than women, so let's blame it only on the internal reasons in the man. I'm sick of this attitude. Must be my fault since I'm a man.
/r/MensRights28/12/20 06:57 PM
1

I took the attitude offered by a friend that in this situation she is extremely powerful compared to you. She is a bear. In that case, one option is to play dead. Play dead means not fighting for the kids. Eventually most mothers come around and starts wanting you to have them more. In my case, she was amazing as a partner but a good enough mother. I went with what she wanted, having my daughter on the weekend. I was burned out as well so it have me time to recover.
/r/MensRights28/12/20 06:53 PM
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If she doesn't know what you think and you feel, she doesn't know you. If she doesn't know you, she doesn't love you. You are both just pretending. Time to be bold. It could be she can't love you as you are. That is tragic since you are pair bonded with each other, but that is part of life and growing up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 12:33 AM
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Thanks. It's been very rewarding. I'm not in America but one of my fears was we'd be getting gender hate for our work. It hasn't happened. Funders give us money because we are doing something useful in the community. Other community groups are very supportive and helpful.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 01:53 AM
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Researchers do have a hard time getting to men. That is partly because there aren't social services for men. I run a social service for men and have found appropriate men for many researchers. It hasn't done a lot for us as a group yet, but I'll keep helping out, hopng that one day the connections and reports will trigger action.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 01:44 AM
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Ouch. I do the same thing on documents that come my way and find the same pattern. Women have people inside the system advocating for them which leads to consideration of their special needs. I wish men had the same. We would all be better off of this were the case. I expect the counter argument by some would be that men already get a bonus in being men living in a patriarchy. That isn't good it is playing out if you look at health and well being outcomes.
/r/MensRights22/12/20 08:27 PM
1

Most of us aren't in great britain. I guess I could complain as an outsider but seems strange to go there. But I like your attitude!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 10:25 AM
1

Have you got a link to support the claim of sexual assault? We generally assume where there is smoke there is fire but with a false accusation, that way of looking at the world has to get thrown out the window.
/r/MensRights14/12/20 11:36 PM
2

I have a hard time advertising there is a for biological reason for boys to fall behind in language development. That persistent claim on this sub that boys are marked down by female teachers leaved me thinking I'm enabling the process when I uncritically accept that claim.
/r/MensRights14/12/20 11:32 PM
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Thanks for making this point. There is so much rubbish that I took in uncritically and this is one of those items. Police are such an easy target, and seen as part of a Patriarchy in the eyes of some. I suspect there is misandry driving this myth as well but appreciate there is no way to prove this. Imagine if a similar claim was made about social workers being more likely to abuse their own children. I just don't think it would have the same traction nor staying power.
/r/MensRights14/12/20 11:27 PM
3

I've been wondering how to pay my Patriarchy Club dues.
/r/MensRights14/12/20 09:58 PM
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I think that is worthy of a formal complaint if you guys have such a system.
/r/MensRights12/12/20 09:56 PM
1

I didn't read it all, sorry. I've read similar in the past and do understand the case that feminism has done a lot of harm. I'll add to my earlier statement and say that we in this sub also need to get our shit together in developing a high regard and compassion for men. That is quite different and harder to do than many of our posts.
/r/MensRights11/12/20 11:03 PM
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I'm not fond of feminism but let's not blame them only. Society as a whole cares about men less, especially when they are victims of women. This was there long before feminism. So include the neocons, and all kinds of other tribes in your thoughts when it comes to misandric behavior.
/r/MensRights11/12/20 10:43 PM
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Are asking us to brigade.
/r/MensRights11/12/20 10:40 PM
1

Remember that winners write the history books.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/20 12:18 AM
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Looking at the world through the lense of patriarchy just means you can't see very much. Just drop that framing in your life and you will be much more in touch with reality.
/r/MensRights08/12/20 11:52 PM
5

I started engineering in 81 in Canada. That makes it pretty much 40 years. There were special doorways for women to sign up. Special scholarships. Training courses. Wine and cheese with the dean each term. They got first access to all the primo internships, with those being lucrative. Easily found jobs with the best places on graduating. I only saw one instance of sexism against women students in that time and never had any of my female colleagues and friends disclose sexism against them despite…
/r/MensRights08/12/20 11:39 PM
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I think you bought a lie that doesn't allow you to see the injustice you are experiencing clearly. Like most guys, you likely blame your lack of ability to overcome this obstacle on yourself. That is a strength on an individual level but a weakness to all when a systematic injustice like this is happening.
/r/MensRights08/12/20 11:31 PM
1

Now that is a whole range of other discussions. It was just a joke, man.
/r/MensRights08/12/20 04:02 PM
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For those that didn't catch my reference, it was too the claim that islam is the religion of peace.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 09:42 AM
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And that enough of his fellow students voted for him to win, with them paying those wages. Mostly male students as well I assume.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 04:11 AM
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Feminism is the philosophy of peace!
/r/MensRights07/12/20 04:01 AM
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I run a support service for men. Local funders actually pay for me and my crew to take care of men in various situations. Not in America, sorry.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 03:59 AM
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Oh. Nasty. And very difficult to live with. But it gets easier. Is good that she had a boyfriend now. Eventually she will get much more focused on his faults and forget about yours so much. Your challenge now that you are mostly free from her is to take joy from your life. You will model that for your kids. Set that as your goal.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 03:58 AM
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Thanks for posting this. Gracefully done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/20 06:10 AM
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Nice. Can you tell them that they got a phrase wrong in the text please? They say . The majority of the funding for suicide prevention in Australia is directed towards services that are known to be more effective at reaching men than women. Then they say the opposite, which they mean, on the flyer. Will you tell them? If not, I will contact them.
/r/MensRights05/12/20 03:18 AM
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I don't mind them hating on imd. The are always people that will do this. It is the lack of people and institutions supporting imd that I find harder to accept.
/r/MensRights05/12/20 03:11 AM
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It doesn't make sense.
/r/MensRights04/12/20 10:03 AM
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They reckon if they use the hatred that is out there toward men it will remove some of the figure on other problems Facebook creates. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
/r/MensRights04/12/20 10:01 AM
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Good work. You have earned the right to call yourself an MRA! I've done similar things in New Zealand and had a number of successes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 12:42 PM
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I think very few men start the process but calling the police as soon as a partner assaults them. The majority would try to be physical, but restrained, back at her. I've they have done that, they are trapped. They can't call the police at that point. The only option is to move out and cut your losses. But that doesn't work if you have kids or have hope for the relationship.
/r/MensRights30/11/20 10:13 AM
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You aren't being marked on whether your opinion is right are you? My guess is it was an exercise and the subject chosen isn't as important as the argument made. You probably could have chosen something you disagree with as an exercise.
/r/MensRights30/11/20 09:53 AM
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I get the impression life sucked for everybody back then. Even for rich people.
/r/MensRights30/11/20 09:41 AM
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Good work, all. The guys in Nelson NZ did this as well. They didn't have a lot of interest overall from what I could tell, but glad they tried.
/r/MensRights27/11/20 04:31 AM
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Thanks. I enjoyed reading that. I'm hoping it becomes more normal to celebrate the day, so keep talking about it. So important to feel appreciation and appreciated. You sound like a beautiful couple.
/r/MensRights21/11/20 10:11 PM
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I'm totally on board with you feeling hurt by that. What a cruel thing to say.
/r/MensRights20/11/20 02:38 AM
1

,,😁
/r/MensRights20/11/20 12:29 AM
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Thanks for thinking of those men. I would add overwhelming pain and loss to that list. Along with a lack of feelings of relevance.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 11:03 PM
1

Well I'll give you a superficial boost. Happy imd, dude!
/r/MensRights19/11/20 11:01 PM
1

Things change. Hopefully you can offer this day to them at a future time.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 10:23 PM
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Yeah. We don't have to match our dads trait for trait to be great men ourselves. In fact, him having a larger capacity in some way and you referring to it shows a humble appreciation. Happy imd to you both!
/r/MensRights19/11/20 10:20 PM
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Beautiful. I'm glad you appreciate him so much.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 10:18 PM
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Lol. Nice. There is an expression: the only thing greater than the joy of drinking wine, is the joy of wine in being drunk. I'm sure they appreciate you enjoying what they give very much.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 10:17 PM
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Thanks. Male culture has very much going for it despite the lack of champions. I see this day as one way to celebrate that thru our celebration of individual men. Kia Kaha from NZ!
/r/MensRights19/11/20 10:15 PM
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Nice. Cheers to all guys like that!
/r/MensRights19/11/20 06:55 PM
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I suspect the teasing serves the function of testing someone's emotional state. If they respond with indifference it is a strong signal that something is wrong. And even a lack of a creative response when someone normally would be if a signal of where they are at. That pattern is obvious in my mates and I. Works with my son as well. If he comes home and my gentle wrestle with him brings indifference the is usually something up. And we talk about it as a result.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:17 PM
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Masculine tenderness is common between my friends and I. Playful banter, sometimes teasing the other, mocking others, mocking ourselves. Then spinning into tender moments as well. Happy imd.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 05:08 PM
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He would be very moved to hear that. I have a 13 year old son that I love dearly. I tell him that as well. He would not say the same overtly as to him I am dad. I am more a force of nature and the foundation of his world than a person still for him. Part of growing up is seeing your dad as a person. PS he very likely already knows how you feel about him.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 04:29 PM
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Thanks. What a beautiful tribute to men. It moved me to tears. And such an inappropriate and direct and accurate metaphor. I do mean that in a good way. Thanks for making my morning in New Zealand.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 04:24 PM
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Thanks. A very powerful reflection that to really love someone, we have to love the whole person and not some idealised version of them. I hope you experience the same vigorous love from them, each in their own way. Happy international men's day.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 04:14 PM
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True. I heard a poem about a decade ago that pointed out that if you look around you likely everything in the building you are in was installed by a man. The electricity and other services maintained 24 hours by men. Yet it is invisible, and not gendered when we do think of it. Thanks to all those men that build our homes and buildings. Keep the factories and mines running.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 04:01 PM
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You are certainly worthy of being celebrated on this day. I've just taken a moment and celebrated me as a man as well. Thanks for the inspiration.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 03:52 PM
1

Nice. I have a teenage son and know that this would be a real honor for him.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 03:49 PM
2

He sounds beautiful. I expect he took great pleasure in your love for him.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 09:20 AM
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Aw. Thanks. Not a Grandpa, but I will be for you!
/r/MensRights19/11/20 06:33 AM
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Sounds like you have the skills. Good luck in getting it going.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 03:52 AM
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I agree. I'm glad you mention them. So many men have gone thru the grindstone of history, with that them being compelled to do so by their society or their own commitment to a greater good.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 03:51 AM
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Dads rock and rarely get the love they deserve. I'll include the many men in caring roles for boys in this way. Granddad's, stepdads, uncles, older bros... Thanks for sharing the love.
/r/MensRights19/11/20 03:47 AM
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That's the plan. Could be a nice project with a part time worker and a few volunteers. I'm not the one that would do if I get the funds. But it's an obvious next step for my group given the community feedback about what men need from us.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:27 PM
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You'll have to put it in your diary for next year so you can lead the charge! Anyway, happy IMD.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:26 PM
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Sounds interesting. I run a community group that aims for happy healthy men in our region. I'm drafting up a project about getting men out of social isolation by having a regular program focusing on fun things for men. Lots of fun things around, lots of men that just haven't had that particular passion sparked. And hopefully we can spark that passion. I look forward to giving it a go.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:07 PM
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Thanks so much. One of the joys my wife brought into my life was the exercise of appreciation. It benefits both parties. Thanks for appreciating us. It helped make my day.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 09:04 PM
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Wonderful. Men telling their stories to someone that regards them highly as men has powerful effects on people. Thanks for doing that. I expect it has been rewarding
/r/MensRights18/11/20 09:03 PM
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Sure. Life sucks sometimes. I didn't mention men's issues etc in this post but totally understand why you aren't in the zone to be talking about our shared good qualities. Good luck in your struggle. Hope it passes soon.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 09:01 PM
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Wow. That is a lot of choice. Lots of work went into this.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 04:54 PM
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Most recessions hit men the worst. They call them he-cessions. Never heard any government official attempt to favor men for that reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 05:34 AM
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Wonderful work by Greg and the guys!
/r/MensRights16/11/20 02:10 AM
1

Or do one for international men's day. Saying nice things about men is the way we remind people they care about men.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 02:07 AM
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In my case, it was just something they used to do... Because. Not even medical. Both their reasons seem better than my parents. Accommodating the wish of your partner is a good thing if you think there isn't likely harm. Fulfilling the requirements of your faith is normal for religious people. I suggest forgive them both, really. Then get on with fixing it so others don't lose the end of their dicks as well.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 02:06 AM
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Men are great people!
/r/MensRights16/11/20 02:03 AM
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I am very anti circumcision. I don't think it is right to hold a grudge against your mom for this at all. I'd Blame the dad more, but that seems wrong as well. I accept it as an uninformed choice they made and forgive me parents. I save my and for advocating for it to stop in children of today.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 01:06 AM
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I have a hard time not thinking those are flirts. I don't know how to manage the risks though. Probably best if you heard some stories about previous partners of hers before going near anything is that is what you mean to do.
/r/MensRights16/11/20 01:03 AM
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Thanks. When I do the gender swap, girls instead of boys, being harmed I come to the same conclusion. Definitely weird.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 08:56 AM
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I've tried three times. That's enough.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 09:57 AM
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Hyperagency is being used in this context to describe something different. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3nrjdk/mens_hyperagency_vs_womens_hypoagency/ is one example. That is the hyperagency I'm talking about. Attributing men's situations to be very much or wholly about their inner world. As compared with hypoagency and women. Where the assumption is that are powerless to change their inner situation and the external world does it for them.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 08:02 AM
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I'm confused by your response. Do you mean not on their front page? I've had nice people read this sub and point to comments they say are misogynist. And I had to agree. And I find similar comments on that sub. Usually those comments are made by someone that had experienced significant harm by an ex. Or someone came in heavy handed and got a few down votes. But they still posted on the sub, and it still counts for that reason. I expect it would take an awfully lot of work to unpick the question …
/r/MensRights13/11/20 03:17 AM
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Context is everything. It is women talking about women things on that sub. I'm fine with them doing that. It is quite common in this sub for example for men to reflect on abusive female partners. I enjoy reading that sub as a dude and don't find it nearly as misandric as many people claim here. Context again.
/r/MensRights13/11/20 01:57 AM
1

Again, the seems to be something you are missing, and what you get back to me doesn't have me believing you understand my earlier points. Hyperagency as applied to men is the key term for this. And it is very common on this sub, even though we are working past that.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 11:35 PM
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So nice to see you and others embracing this approach. Hyperagency when we think of men is definitely harmful and something we on this sub so fall into consistently. I believe it is very few of us work in helping professions and can comment on how the day to day support systems genuinely underserve men. They do so much for women, and I'm happy they have that. But I want it for men as well.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 11:33 PM
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I'm acutely aware of sex crimes against boys, in running a male survivor support service. Motive is the question for me in this case. Did he do it because he hates men, or because it is part of his job at the local mosque, or... If we punished everyone that cut the end of boys dicks off we would have an awful lot of genuinely good people going to prison. I'm aware I might be the minority in this case and do understand people wanting a much more harsh sentence. I note I didn't read being the comm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 11:27 PM
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I'm sympathetic to a harsher sentence but don't lean that way intellectually. I'd much rather have that money spent on creating cultural change. As long as the person that did the crime is committed to not doing so in the future.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 09:08 PM
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You seem to miss my point entirely. I'll try again. When a group have poor outcomes we can focus on them as an individual or focus on forces external to them. Those two starting points give a clue as to the unconscious pathway of the writer to solving the issue. Yes, men could change internally and in doing so change some behaviors that are less healthy for themselves. I run a support service for men, with it having grown from zero did years ago to bring the largest counseling service in the reg…
/r/MensRights12/11/20 09:06 PM
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I'm assuming the families enabled this, forced it on their boys. They should be punished and shamed as well. And this should be the foundation for a human rights inquiry. I'm not needing the crazy who did this to be punished harder. But it sure calls for a public outcry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 08:17 PM
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I loathe most feminism, though am highly supportive of advocates for women. I think this sub is distracted by blaming feminism, third wave and otherwise. The largest problem we have to overcome is the lack of care and regard for men in society. That is nearly universal.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 08:13 PM
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Single women are twice as likely to own a house as well.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 08:10 PM
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You have good intentions and care about men. But you make the mistake that most people do. When men have a problem we almost wholly blame it on their internal world. I think you did that. That approach is the exact duplication of what you and many others say men are at fault with. Men do blame themselves, generally, for their outcomes. Most of us blame them as well. It's an unhealthy cycle, reinforced by well intentioned, compassionate people.
/r/MensRights12/11/20 08:09 PM
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Thanks. Good post. I don't think he has bought a feminist line at all. That same starting point for men has probably been there forever. I suspect there will always be a predisposition this way, to protect women. Especially while children are mostly and in many cases only raised by mothers. I suspect men being relatively risk tolerant, with that being biologically and culturally driven, also means we aren't collecting stories that contradict that predisposition. 3 or 5 learning experiences will …
/r/MensRights12/11/20 07:46 PM
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I agree. Though to spare you hope, I live in New Zealand where we don't have a locked in electoral system. Mixed member proportional. Many different political parties to choose from. Not a one of them would be seen as other than misandric in my eyes. More a matter of degrees.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 06:45 PM
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Keep being informed and speaking up all! And be angry about men being denied care. Tell them it is both sexist and a beach of human rights. I work in the community sector, focused on men's well being and have spoken to a number of politicians about this issue. Public opinion just isn't ripe enough for them to take action. They fear disapproval from existing stakeholders.
/r/MensRights11/11/20 06:09 PM
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I agree with your summary. I think the case could be made that we wouldn't be hearing the response from the perpetrator if they were a man. Maybe we should in both cases, or maybe we shouldn't. But that would be where sexism is shown in this case.
/r/MensRights03/11/20 06:43 PM
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With increased symptoms of social anxiety and depression, women may be even more likely to turn to technology for social connection, especially if alternative forms of social contact are reduced due to social avoidance," states Martin Antony and coauthors from Ryerson University. Among men, the greater their social anxiety and depression symptoms, the less likely they were to initiate contact with matches on mobile dating apps. I've often seen frustration expressed by men about dating apps on th…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 05:13 PM
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There are some other links in the top post that demonstrate the op claim.
/r/MensRights03/11/20 04:47 PM
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I've seen many changes happen in society. Don't expect it to do happen at once. Initiatives like this are how it gets done.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 06:12 PM
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Being in my own learning journey about men and gender issues and sharing what I learn with my daughter had been very useful to her. While it intellectually was useful, it also meant she got to know the world through her dad's eyes and with that can step into understanding the position of men in other issues. Loving men is a great way to prepare them to resist the crazy stuff.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 06:34 AM
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I know that two of us in my country enjoy and learn from this sub. We have done some good advocacy work, turning around a range of issues. The war isn't over but a few battles have gone ok. PS International Men's Day is coming up and it is a great day too attract interest in men's well being. Check out what is happening in your country and give them a hand.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 06:30 AM
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I'm dubious about the work they do with the funds they raise.
/r/MensRights31/10/20 06:28 AM
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There are good people that believe stupid things who change their mind when presented with other evidence and perspectives. Sure, if you partner up with something that is attached to resenting your gender, despite the opportunity to change their mind it is time to move on. But most of us learn and grow. No need to find a perfect person to marry if you can work it out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 08:52 PM
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I'll answer your question. Learn that it isn't true that women work more than men overall and say this when someone makes that assumption. It is risky, but having a partner, grind, whatever resent you or your gender is harmful to them and harmful to your relationship with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 08:37 PM
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I haven't noticed those on this sub having bitterness that men work more overall. Like you most people are fine with couples cutting their own deal. I have seen resentment expressed when the repeated claim that women work more than men is taken as an assumption in a large area of popular media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 08:23 PM
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Of course! Dm away. I'm not very shy about sharing my info. We call it a men's centre. It has done things like set up men's shed, distributed a booklet about men's well being, run men's health conferences, some men's health research, and some advocacy. Lot of fun!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/20 06:40 AM
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I run a community counseling service that is overtly a men's support service. I'd guess less than 10% of our clients are there because they were pressured by family. We have 220 men per week coming for counseling, with that making us the largest counseling service in our city. I'm surprised by the significant engagement by men given we've only been around for 6 years. I suspect we activated an existing market. Not in America but very much in a classical western country.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/20 04:23 AM
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Nice to have a positive framing of masculinity. It would be nice as well if they focused on the reasons men aren't thriving and the lack of supports both formal and informal to improve our outcomes. Not acknowledging that current systems do not serve men well is harmful. It buys into the the old hyperagency approach to men that anyone with insight should acknowledge prior to focusing on something internal to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/20 08:00 PM
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One thing I learned from an mra in my region is you probably need permission from the gatekeepers of services for women to create government contracts for a men's service. If they aren't saying yes, the government won't take that risk. And to get that permission, your have to declare that the money for men's services is not going to come from women's services.
/r/MensRights23/10/20 11:00 PM
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Your assume that resources are fairly shared currently with that claim. It is much easier to find special doorways for care for women than it is for men. They are much more likely to be offered care than men. It would take someone doing the research to prove my claims but it is revealing that to my knowledge this isn't anybody's role.
/r/MensRights23/10/20 09:47 PM
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Men don't need support. Men don't ask for support when they need it, because there is something wrong with them. Those two sentences just don't go together.
/r/MensRights23/10/20 09:43 PM
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I hope others that were there are made aware of your perspective. Possibly some already did the math and realise what happened. A real life experience of ignoring a man's suffering can wake people up. Most people do care about being fair. With men telling stories like this they are much more likely to notice it.
/r/MensRights23/10/20 09:40 PM
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The harsher treatment of men in any infraction is often discussed on this sub, so I would add that one. Pluralistic Ignorance would also explain men being punished harder as well. A highly dangerous environment for men that have sex with men, means that to prove yourself as not being part of that clique you have to take excessive punitive action against those that infringe. The main way to stop that violent behavior is to make it much less dangerous to practice that gay behavior. Then the enforc…
/r/MensRights23/10/20 07:17 PM
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Be gently curious, but courageous at the same time. Thanks for caring about men. We need love and encouragement as a gender of we are going to thrive.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:44 AM
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I can't watch the film now, but boys and risk taking go together. Anybody that has raised a few kids knows this.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:42 AM
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Can't watch where I am. But I've already done some great work for men as an mra. It isn't all going to happen in a week.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:36 AM
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Agreed. Women are suffering because of the burden of believing they are being treated unfairly. I'm glad men are being sensitised to the ways they are getting ripped off by society, but in the end I want us to shed all that crap.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:35 AM
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A woman that hasn't been challenged about these beliefs will when challenged eventually reach for the men owing women for eons of oppression. Then if they are great people and you are kind, they will realize how idiotic that sounds.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:25 AM
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While it happened 20 years ago and she had served her time, fraud of this complexity and at an older age would leave me thinking this is more than a mistake made during a difficult time in life.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:22 AM
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I have no idea what you mean.
/r/MensRights14/10/20 07:15 AM
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I'm married. My wife listens to my views but isn't very political in that way. But then she occasionally surprises me and pasta something on social media where she challenges the sexism men experience. I didn't may until quite late in life and recommend this. Though I know many feel resentment toward women at that point being driven to find a beta is hope it is framed. I'm really enjoying the commitment and partnership. Live been dissed on this sub for it previously.
/r/MensRights12/10/20 05:28 PM
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Last I looked there were a few comments exploring men's stats. It doesn't overcome the very sexist nature of the article. No one is going to publish the equivalent article focused on male slaves.
/r/MensRights12/10/20 05:19 PM
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I'm in. I'll do something on the day with some mates. A cuppa or whatever. Should I send a pic or something?
/r/MensRights12/10/20 05:17 PM
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I'm not American. The right, and conservatism in general isn't any more kind to men. I think this sub gets caught up in the feminism challenge so much that we forget that a lack of interest in men's well being is common across the spectrum.
/r/MensRights12/10/20 04:04 PM
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Pretty unusal for a woman to do it. Very usual for a man being the victim.
/r/MensRights11/10/20 10:26 PM
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I want a less divided society. While I'm glad men are pulling on our corner of the blanket a bit, I think the current level of disharmony isn't good for anyone. I'm hoping social media in particular gets relevant regulation that undermined the ugliest issues. And add for developing, yes this movement is doing so. We are educating ourselves about men's issues in this and other fora and men and women are pushing back against the wackier claims. I've done some good advocacy with direct positive out…
/r/MensRights11/10/20 10:23 PM
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Aww. You didn't need the /s. We have already established that you are Australian and as such say everything that way.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 06:02 AM
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I've been told same thing is happening with the 40 million budgeted for suicide intervention in New Zealand. The did refer to men as a priority group in the report. And I know the researchers made the case for projects targeting men, as a spoke to one of them about it.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 05:09 AM
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I was waiting for you to say: you call that a knife? Oh. Oh. You forgot to mention the dingos taking babies!
/r/MensRights10/10/20 05:06 AM
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I suspect that is played up as a factor, though it is real. The factors that I think have more effect but never get included in the wage gap estimate is that men are more willing to trade a job for a higher paying job. That we are willing to travel for a job. That we are willing to leave our current home and re-establish ourselves for a better paying job. That we are willing to commute further.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 03:53 AM
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Wow. Thanks for that. I didn't know there was any difference but that is huge.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 03:27 AM
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Well that says it all, doesn't it. Worst. Patriarchy. Ever!
/r/MensRights10/10/20 03:23 AM
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Is there a difference between mgm and circumcision? I ask because as far as I know, male circumcision is legal and practiced at significant frequency in every country.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 03:01 AM
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I've run a support service for men for the last decade. I've personally given direct care to about 1500 men over that time. Those men were just regular guys going through some major challenge in their lives. So, I've cared for men with depression, going through separation, unemployed and powerless, pressed by poverty, dealing with the day off a loved one, wrestling with disease, historic trauma... I cared about each of those guys. About a quarter, I had a tear come to my eye while they respond t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/20 05:44 PM
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I'm disappointed at all the strawmanning going on. It gives the impression they want to win, not to understand.
/r/MensRights09/10/20 07:57 AM
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Men have no idea just how needed they are
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/20 11:42 PM
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I suspect the lengthy period of young adulthood has changed everything. With birth control and now a range of differential, there is noneed to marry until you are 35 or so. And by then the largely unconscious urgency to breed and pair bond has backed off some. No idea if science supports this. I'm 60 and I don't remember men feeling anything like what they do not when it comes to dating. It was a struggle to find the best match, but for both parties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/20 06:20 PM
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They discount that discoveries thing by referring to the patriarchy. Same with men starting the bulk of successful businesses and making the bulk of inventions currently. In fact, pretty much anything men do overall better than women is attributed to the patriarchy by some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/20 01:53 AM
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Someone made a decision to actively exclude men from care in legislation. These issues are very much connected from a human rights angle which is what is the most upsetting for those of us when this issue is raised.
/r/MensRights30/09/20 06:21 PM
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I wonder how much of the claim that it isn't as horrifying is an unconscious discounting of men. I might have said the same thing as you a decade ago. I had the end of my dick cut off when I was a baby and I've decided not to just shrug about it anymore. I feel angry about it. Please know that some of us so feel this way and it is valid to feel that way.
/r/MensRights30/09/20 06:14 PM
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There are lots of claims made about the distortions of the gender imbalance in Russia after WW2.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:19 PM
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It is common to frame an issue in the context of those most harmed by it. Covid 19 is a men's health issue by that scale. Since we are twice as likely to die if the disease it could be that we prioritize perplexing men more. Make it easier for them to avoid those situations where they could be exposed for example. I've not heard of that happening. We do it for other vulnerable groups though.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:16 PM
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The guy in Jamaica, Jerome Tuckerley(?) chooses something I think. He was the first one to do the day. Maybe we can get the United Nations to do this going forward. /S
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:12 PM
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I'm not sure what to call you though. Derp, drop, dresses?
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:05 PM
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There is always variation in non specified wage scales like this. Even if there is no other explanatory factor, random variation will bring this situation about. The difference is we wouldn't be hearing about the higher paid female star fixing it, nor the guy experiencing the lesser amount.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:03 PM
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Most people have never thought about the issue. I think for them to hear a man like me is angry that the end of his dick was cut off when he was a baby is too much to take in all at once. I am angry about it and should be. Won't let it weigh me down.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 10:00 PM
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Seems a dumb Hill to die on to me.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 09:58 PM
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Do pin down what he means by that first. Then you have something to work with.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the offer. Happy day to you all.
/r/MensRights28/09/20 09:55 PM
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Lol. Women affected most again. Fewer men, and men are claimed to be the problem, so it should have been a paradise. Anyway, thanks that this info. I've been learning about men's issues for years and didn't know about this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/20 05:08 PM
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Thanks. These are remarkable works of compassionate advocacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/20 07:28 AM
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Got any links on 70% of male slaves being men? I didn't work too hard on the search but it's pretty revealing that it isn't an estimate thing to find. When gender and slavery are the terms it is wholly about women. When men and slavery are the terms there isn't any immediate reference to this having been largely an issue men experienced. It does say men were preferred.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/20 07:23 AM
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Yeah. To clarify, I was talking about male survivors of sexual abuse. Male victims of dv are left out in the cold in NZ. I know lots of incidences where police interventions for male victims allowed the perpetrator to have the man arrested on false charges as well.
/r/MensRights24/09/20 04:15 PM
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I've admired the work done by your men's health networks for years. Including the fact that you have a men's health policy and had a decade or so of significant men's health conferences. I also remember seeing a lot of push back by men via letters in the local paper when I visited once. But in the end they do treat you guys like shit. Sorry to see that.
/r/MensRights24/09/20 08:28 AM
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I understand your concern but suspect it is misplaced. Young people have fewer partners then in previous generations. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/06/why-millennials-have-sex-with-fewer-partners-than-their-parents-did/
/r/MensRights24/09/20 05:21 AM
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I'm in New Zealand and involved in supporting male survivors. There is a network of services funded specifically to care for male survivors of sexual Abuse here. I note that many of our services for survivors were very gender inclusive previously. Could be so in your region. I've not seen the Duluth wheel applied for care of victims of sexual abuse so possibly not the case in most places. Best wishes getting services for where you are.
/r/MensRights24/09/20 03:35 AM
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and men don't seek help. While there is some truth to that there are damned good reasons. In my experience in taking care of men for a living those include: 1 men don't know where help if 2 help actually doesn't exist for them 3 men don't actually know what help can do because they've not heard of men finding it helpful 4 men are afraid they will have the woman cry rape 5 men don't even frame it as an assault as they haven't been prepared and coached for this 6 plus all the reasons that women do…
/r/MensRights24/09/20 02:01 AM
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The movie called Not Without my Baby comes to mind, with Sally Field. Heroic woman. Villain man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/20 09:46 PM
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Lots of misandry out there. But I'm sure there are also many in the system that love men. It's time they remember that.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 08:37 PM
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I agree with you. I had a friend who you would describe as feminist and very prowomen look at this sub to give me examples of misogyny. He pointed out that the steady stream of examples of bad behavior by women is the main issue. That and the generalisations often made in discussion here. I agreed with him to some degree. I expect I'm in the minority here but I'll go on and explain. I think women and women's advocates do need to come down a peg or two in the assumptions society holds. That women…
/r/MensRights20/09/20 07:55 PM
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I skimmed what you wrote. Marvelous. Thanks for compiling this. I suspect you didn't mention the benefit for the mother and the father. Both benefit from the assumption of shared care. Also, families are more stable in the case of assumed shared parenting. It means that mother's are less likely to initiate a divorce, with them typically being the ones to do this. I suspect there are fewer cases of single mom births as well but that is wholly a supposition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/20 07:02 PM
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Thanks! I'll look into all those.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 05:49 PM
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Small dick jokes in general seem different from that one about the car, or any extreme boastful behavior. Jokingly telling a mate he must have a small dick. Or if a guy has a woman ghost him after one night of fun when he wants more? I'm trying to figure out when any guy would tease another guy that way. I suspect there if a generational gap thing happening here. I'm 60 and never got exposed to the possibility of body shaming. I've seen way more repeated posts about body shaming on this sub than…
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:37 AM
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My mother had the end of my dick cut off when I was a baby. Ornamental reasons. I'm angry. She had no right to do that. I should be angry and I am. And when I read something like you wrote I feel angry. You think it is fine to cut off parts of a baby without an acute medical reason. It was only the end of the penis? Get real.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:23 AM
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I think any person that isn't pushing back against a low level abusing partner just doesn't know how to be in a relationship. I've been with women that were the opposite in that regard and it made it awfully hard to not occasionally lean on them unfairly. Not a conscious choice at all to do it, but not having a partner with the capacity to push back means I had to be the one to hold up that part of the relationship. So guys, get a bit of fire in you belly. A relationship is just as much yours as…
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:10 AM
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That sitting up schools thing is nearly wholly an American phenomena. It is demonstrably a cultural thing if one culture has it and others don't. Re rape, if you mean the legal definition of penetration, then yes men do it more. Pretty much by definition.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 05:59 AM
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Thanks. I'm 5 foot 6, so not far from yourself, but close enough to the norm to not catch much for it. Sorry you got that treatment. I would hate to try to sell myself on line with even my current height, but dodged that bullet being a bit older than you and married. Re the penis joke, that always seemed a bit far from actual shaming to me. Do guys with smaller dicks cringe inside when they hear that joke, or feel frightened of rejection at the moment of glory because of it? I haven't experience…
/r/MensRights20/09/20 05:43 AM
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Not my experience that either gender does much body shaming and gets away with it. Especially in the real world. Can you tell me more about where you experience yours? You have lots of upvotes so I might be living in a bubble.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 02:41 AM
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? I'm fine for men being alone. Edit. Now that I think about it, you captured something really important to me in that comment. For one thing, I might have said the same thing. Men have a right to self determination and any framing of a project should be reflecting that instead of "we know better what is good for you". For another, my job is about Happy Healthy Men in my region. Reducing social isolation isn't the framing that aligns with this. The project should be and will be about inspiring a…
/r/MensRights19/09/20 04:07 PM
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Yeah. I agree. Much of that fear of men's group is exaggerated. Yes, I wouldn't think it is easy to start a men's rights group on many campuses. But that is the exception. Even then, there is one close to me about men's mental health that seems to be level headed.
/r/MensRights19/09/20 06:22 AM
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Totally! I was surprised to find there were 5 free courses in my area. Easy enough to do after all.
/r/MensRights19/09/20 06:19 AM
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Thanks for the summary. Male victims seem to be invisible. Horrible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/20 09:35 AM
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We should have a coffee some time! The unique perspective I have in running a generic service for men is that we have a critical mass of men coming in that are looking for solutions. Most projects when they are trying to engage guys, struggle to reach them. I've got that flow and engaged and engagement by the men. Also, when programs are created, their formative framework for the project is usually flawed. Condescension is often built in, which is repugnant to most men. Stereotypes about masculi…
/r/MensRights18/09/20 06:01 AM
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Hmm. Very possible. I've been imagining getting a partnership going with our local volunteer Centre. It fits in with that approach.
/r/MensRights18/09/20 05:42 AM
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Pretty sad really. So much lost potential for joy and well being. I like the occasional drink, but is a pretty sick system when that feels like, and to some degree is, the only option.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 11:58 PM
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I agree with you. I see them as a drop in the ocean of work to be done. Nice for those it works for. And useful for my group in that we helped many of them establish, and funding bodies admired our work in that regard. 30 or so sheds in my region now. Having said that, I'd be very happy with a further 1% project. If I can do something further that is useful for 1% of the 200,000 men in my region I'd be elated. Then move on to the next project over I've seen it is running smoothly.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 11:21 PM
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Thanks. I'm glad it inspires you.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 04:17 PM
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Thanks for the comment. I can see feeling that way. I'm almost 60 and important that whatever project I set up is done consciously.
/r/MensRights17/09/20 04:46 AM
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I was wondering about doing something that wakes men up to fun options in the community, instead of providing them ourself. Those examples you gave, others are running projects in that scope. Maybe take 3 or 4 men along, doing a video or radio broadcast on social media showing what it is like to go try out different things. Men's sheds, well we have about 30 in my region. But waking up more men about them, to get them to go engage. Same with community gardens, radio controlled models, slot car c…
/r/MensRights17/09/20 01:08 AM
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I totally get your thinking about Reddit, Especially for men. I've imagined setting up a local reddit group for men in my area, with the thinking that this would be the doorway for them to engage each other in the beginning. But to be drawn into other matters as well that they are passionate about. Thanks for the suggestion. Again, I'd prefer a working model that someone else has going but see this post and the process as something that inspires a range of options.
/r/MensRights16/09/20 11:52 PM
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It's good for me to know the risks and disadvantages in getting a project going for men. But I'm thinking about what to create with this post on Reddit. If something out there if already working, them it had already been proven against those challenges you mentioned.
/r/MensRights16/09/20 11:42 PM
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Thanks. I'm in New Zealand. I spoke to the CEO of that group just last week about forming a larger project. I'll schedule a day and watch the videos, thanks. Nothing leapt out as a solution with the same scalability but it might be in there or get me started on something. I'm unlike many. I don't want to start anything new, personally. I just want a proven model that will fit our context and just set it alight.
/r/MensRights16/09/20 11:40 PM
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True! If men stand back totally and women take the wheel it looks like things would get worse from the prochoice perspective. Maybe the prolife crew should adopt the adage of new uterus, no say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/20 06:45 PM
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An oldie but a goodie is The Myth of Male Power. Mid 80s I think, but my memory is that he captured all the main issues.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 07:46 AM
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I've not seen a good back and forth about the claims on this yet. I initially believed feminism was all about equality for women in the beginning. Then I saw the counter narrative presented on this sub and understand that there is a part of the story that I missed. I'm more inclined at this point to accept the opinion more exposed on this sub given no one has given a specific challenge to it.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 07:33 AM
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Feminism is trickle down gendernomics.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 04:27 PM
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It's possible that is the message they give to media and they don't actually engage the men in that condescending way. But I doubt it. Glad they are trying, I guess.
/r/MensRights10/09/20 03:53 AM
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Especially scary when you learn that 5% of women have a personality disorder of some kind. I expect this explains most cases where this happens. Few women in the other 95% don't have some reciprocity baked in to their personality.
/r/MensRights10/09/20 03:39 AM
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They aren't interested in that kind of gender equality.
/r/MensRights10/09/20 03:32 AM
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This sub is about men's rights. I'm not putting more time into you.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 09:05 AM
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You keep dodging instead of engaging. We have people come in being the feminist visitor very frequently. I suggest you search inside their attempts. It might be useful to you in understanding many of the concepts and considerations of this sub.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 08:42 AM
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I don't know any issues that women face where the law discriminates against them in favor of men. You have to look at areas that affect them solely as a gender, where you could interpret the decisions as sexist. Have you got any to offer me?
/r/MensRights01/09/20 05:37 AM
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None of those are actual legal right differences. You seem to know very little still about this situation.
/r/MensRights01/09/20 05:12 AM
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I think it strange that you didn't engage at this point about the legal inequality that men face. We talk quite a bit about that on this sub. Can you please tell me what you know about the legal issues men face, where their gender is specifically targeted? I'm more acutely aware of the open sexism where men are excluded from many health and social services. Can you tell me what you know of these as well? My aim in asking you those questions is to prompt you to know them. You care about equality …
/r/MensRights01/09/20 05:00 AM
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How about sharing the summary you wrote about men's human rights with op?
/r/MensRights23/08/20 08:44 AM
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I run a counseling service for men, with about 20 counselors. You are right to want a counselor that won't get caught in their gender politics at a critical point in your relationship with them. I can give you a number of examples outside my service where that happened. The counselor probably would have a hard time slipping out of role to do that. And if they did, like most of us they believe they know the right thing, which might be quite the opposite of your opinion. You are much better off as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/20 04:13 AM
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I hope not. But lots of other outright lies seem to be used and recycled.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/20 07:00 PM
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Confirmation bias is a dangerous drug. You can be sure that the story of women leaders being wiser than male ones in this instance will be remembered long after the pandemic passes. And the rebuttal, waved away, and not mentioned to avoid a fuss.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/20 06:23 PM
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That and dads being told to be the enforcer or they are pussies. Toxic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/20 08:09 PM
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And even if you are very gender inclusive as the person handling that phone call, the police follow up, as well as victim services, are very unlikely to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/20 06:58 PM
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I'm glad you've managed to get past that. Women are very human. Not perfect. Not evil. Somewhere in between. It's up to you partly in choosing the right one but partly in helping your chosen one to be the right one. Too many of us men have abandoned the relationship to let her run it, and too many women demand that control. Nobody wins then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/20 12:06 AM
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That constant priming of women to be resentful towards men is so harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/20 06:43 PM
1

And we also have to do most of the work in bed!
/r/MensRights12/08/20 06:40 PM
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I've imagined raising the profile of men's rights by burning a jock strap on a stick for the media. A nod to bra burning, which I understand was never a thing. Your idea is much better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/20 05:06 AM
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Generally, MRA's favor equality. It just happens to be that in this society it's often male issues that are the ones being perpetuated. And also the ones being overlooked, since discrimination against males (unlike against females) is socially acceptable I'm confident that most who identify as feminists would say they know that women have it way worse. And the typical mra would say the same about men. There is going to be a tendon between the two groups.
/r/MensRights09/08/20 03:53 AM
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I can see how you took it that way. I think there is a cultural and a biological component. I expect there is only so much that we want to tweak culture. After we accomplish the basics, we would overlay further reasonable sexist outcomes with projects or services. Women's sports being separated from men's or open sports is an easy example. Take away that separation and we won't see many women in competition and I think that would be a loss to society. We wouldn't be able to take away those proje…
/r/MensRights07/08/20 04:41 AM
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I like your thinking. I suspect sexism, especially against men, is baked into genome. Attempting to create some gender neutral expectation in many cases will only harm men or women depending in the circumstances. We should change our culture, where we can and where it won't result in human rights violations or antisocial outcomes. And then build on that. If we are more likely to punish men harder, look at systems that challenge or ameliorate that is one example.
/r/MensRights07/08/20 01:09 AM
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So disheartening. We finally get a support service and it is quite the opposite. Just a trap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 03:26 PM
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Well, men are more likely to die and their wives have to struggle on without them, being in a much worse situation. /S
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 09:07 AM
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I'll wait for their apology ad after they learn they were wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 09:06 AM
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I haven't seen hate on feminist women as much as I've seen spite. I imagine many of them smiling at a man pointing out it is unfair to pay one gender more than another. And to defend that feeling of satisfaction-spite based on the "history of women's oppression".
/r/MensRights05/08/20 06:37 PM
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I'm 60 years old. I think most people have been saying feminism has gone too far all my life. And me and those around me are on the left side of the political spectrum.
/r/MensRights05/08/20 03:03 AM
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I think it is important to compare theory with reality and when the two don't correlate it is the theory that gets thrown out. Do one of those standard procedure score tests and you will find that as a man you only get privilege points for this. The theory doesn't match the reality. Throw it out.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:30 AM
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Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:26 AM
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Yes
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:25 AM
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Hi. I remember doing stuff like that to a boy or two when I was 15. I can't say it to them so I'll say it to you. I'm sorry. I wasn't thinking how it would affect you. I can't really explain why I did it but I can say now that I do regret it. I'm proud to say my son is dynamic and playful but doesn't tolerate bullying of himself and others. So at least that didn't continue for round two.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:24 AM
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Welcome on the journey to being an mra. I assume this because if you say this you probably haven't been in this sub for long. In to p the beginning or my mra journey i assumed like you that we have only recently left behind significant oppression of women. Look around here and you'll see quite a lot of reasons to let go of that belief.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 10:19 AM
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In New Zealand it is a simple formula by default. Not many get more than this. My ex asked them to review me when I was paying. I met them, gave them my paystub, and decision came next day as no change. It is gender neutral and collected directly by the tax department from the payees employer. The tax department pays the receiver regardless, so no game playing between the two can happen. If you share care, you can opt out of the system. If one party wanted to involve the government, the formula …
/r/MensRights04/08/20 05:50 AM
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It should really be framed as relationship education.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 11:47 PM
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Well. That wasn't helpful. Where I live, the tutors pushed back against that narrative with it being imposed from the the company holding the government contract. That company was one person and they had been challenged very early on in the design process about that behaviour. It was still released with the one sided view. I'm told that it isn't this anymore but have my doubts.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 11:46 PM
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If they aren't being taught about those issues in your area it is a tragedy. My area does some education about consent but I hear it is quite limited. Education only does so much though. We are pushing against some powerful biological and social forces when it comes to sexually. Desire, attraction, lust are powerful forces. Hence the pleasure in fulfilling them.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 10:33 PM
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Thanks for the summary. Depressing. I'm in NZ in one of the few regional men's well being roles. I was really hopeful when your men's health policy came in. You did have a good series of annual mens health conferences. But sounds like it still didn't take off despite those flagships. Thanks for doing your part.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 08:30 AM
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So true. I run one of the few men's support services in NZ and made submissions alongside researchers making the case that significant work could be done for men but hasn't been. The director of suicidev intervention services was kind enough to give a lengthy reply to my email complaining about the lack of response given there being available funds. Sickening.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 04:48 AM
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Ugh. I agree. Fried before guys is possibly self deprecating humor as well.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 04:37 AM
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You might include the special refugee category for women only. I forget the name sorry, so you will have to do your own research there. Should be easy to find.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 04:34 AM
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It is totally fine for you to tell the instructor you found that intrusive and ask him to speak to the woman without making it a formal complaint. If you do that, congratulations! You just advocated for a man. That makes you an MRA.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 04:31 AM
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My wife got me to write her a quick note of agreement for her to travel overseas with our son last year. Kiwi, going to Germany. She heard it can save bother. That is international travel of course.
/r/MensRights31/07/20 04:28 AM
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If say that rings true about the taboo. Those guys that don't care about taboos, or those that lost that far in a moment, are very willing to use their physical strength. Women are as well. I've seen enough of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/20 03:09 AM
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People use and abuse the power they have. Men have physical strength and agility. On average, almost every man is in the top half of the population for capacity for physical aggression. They use it more because it makes sense to use it more. Not every male of course.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/20 05:52 PM
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I think they just genuinely don't care about the men. I think they know that men are being killed more, though the rest of us don't generally. And that they really want us to focus on the needs of the women and children. I went to a course about refugees, with that being run by the local refugee centre. They were very focused on the risk to women in situations like the op. They eventually had 2 refugees speak to the group, with both of those being men. I learned that the men came because of they…
/r/MensRights28/07/20 05:35 PM
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Men and boys have so few advocates. I had an interesting experience a decade ago when I was excluded from a health course for patients because I'm male. I made a comparing to our human rights commission and it was accepted. I then put the word out via my email list to 1200 health and community workers, asking that they also make a complaint. No one stepped forward to do this. I had lots of brief emails of support. If the gender were swapped, I'm confident there would have been 20 individual wome…
/r/MensRights26/07/20 06:27 AM
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Submission statement: A lot more men were captured as slaves during the slave trade in the Americas. Yes, the smaller number of women were also treated poorly. I note they don't even give us a figure for the ratio of men to women, just that there were much more.
/r/MensRights24/07/20 07:13 PM
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Not according to the OP.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 11:41 PM
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It is part nature, part nurture. The wonderful thing about humans is we can push past nature and create highly cultured settings. Those settings can be a heaven or a hell but I think we have been moving much toward heaven. We can do a better job by men and we are pretty of the dialog needed to create that reality.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 10:50 PM
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Sounds sciency but it isn't. If that were the case mammals would not form the polygamous group they do with one dude at the top doing a disproportionate amount of reproduction.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 10:47 PM
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Great! Thanks for taking that on. Good luck.
/r/MensRights22/07/20 10:44 PM
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I agree. Having said that, I wonder how much of a gender issue this is given women complain about the same matter. I imagine informed consent is part of it, with that being for the person choosing the permanent birth control option. The Devil would be in the details. Are men and women treated differently? I give myself as an example. At the age of 30i thought I would get the snip. I saw the right people and they asked me to come back in a month after considering it more. I didn't go back. I late…
/r/MensRights22/07/20 10:36 PM
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I run a men's support service in NZ and we are busy as hell, growing each year. Men want support services at the vulnerable times in their lives, probably with a male face on them, and we just haven't provided them at a population level. There are women centres and more up and down the country, and have been for 40 years. That scale of work adds up to improve social outcomes. But only for women. The services that men heavily use are: drug and alcohol, street living, perpetrator services, and pri…
/r/MensRights22/07/20 08:38 PM
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Lol. Well, I hope they forgive my giving them only 5s then. Oh. They won't. 😟
/r/MensRights17/07/20 09:10 PM
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I put feminism through those questions and it seemed to me that a 5 for all of them is suitable.
/r/MensRights17/07/20 08:45 PM
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That paragraph caught my attention as well. That, and the following from the opening paragraph: Quick: Rate how much you agree with each of these items on a scale of 1 (“not me at all”) to 5 (“this is so me”): It is important to me that people who hurt me acknowledge that an injustice has been done to me. I think I am much more conscientious and moral in my relations with other people compared to their treatment of me. When people who are close to me feel hurt by my actions, it is very important…
/r/MensRights17/07/20 08:27 PM
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Submission Statement: We talk a lot about the victim perpetrator framing of men's and women's issues here. I thought this article brought some insight.
/r/MensRights16/07/20 08:22 PM
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Probably. Most of them probably have hair. And white skin. And aren't disabled. Your response does point out that it would be appropriate to also have male on male sexual assault posters.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 10:24 PM
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More men than women experience rape and sexual assault in the military. I have seen data supporting this previously, but it isn't hard to imagine given there are an awful lot more men.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 08:19 PM
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Thanks for the table and links. That info should be shared more frequently on this sub. I know I've seen similar info here and haven't believed that myth for decades but it needs to be repeated to make it a talking point for us all. Could be it needs to go on unpopularopinions and others as well.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 05:40 PM
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One of the complaints I've heard some women make is that guys don't have to do much to be seen as a good dad. It seemed fair to me, saying that. It's the up side of guys limited engagement with their children.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 09:15 AM
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I think the term you are looking for is projection. Those feminist men have unexpressed rage toward women/mommy and project those barely conscious feelings on to other men. It is much easier to point the finger outward than inward. Then they get rewarded for it, but feel scared that someone will see what lurks in their hearts, and they amplify their efforts.
/r/MensRights15/07/20 08:41 AM
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Oops. Got it wrong. It was this dude. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html
/r/MensRights14/07/20 09:27 AM
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I run a counseling service for men. We don't tell guys to call the police unless there are kids involved or they have a knife sticking out of their head and, for both cases, witnesses.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 09:18 AM
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Thanks. This type of thing would be very well known and covered by the news as well as addressed in the United Nations if it was women.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 07:54 AM
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Women die because sanitary products are taxed?
/r/MensRights14/07/20 07:48 AM
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They got nailed with a lawsuit a year or so shop. I think it was I think someone named Ayan hirshi Ali.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 07:08 AM
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A definition can clarify that as well. This definition definitely isn't reflective of popular parlance.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 07:05 AM
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That is wonderful if true. Time for boys in your country to get the vaccination as well. We already have this in New Zealand.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 07:03 AM
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Wow.. I'm thoroughly impressed.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 06:58 AM
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I don't know if it was the same one that was posted here previously. If it is, it is a trap. They are screening men for perpetrator issues mostly.
/r/MensRights14/07/20 04:07 AM
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I was thinking about this type of situation the other day when the image of Indian women carrying brooms to assault male perpetrators was being heavily upvoted on Reddit. Lots of hated toward men was being expressed as well in the comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/20 03:20 AM
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Because they believe in trickle down gendernomics.
/r/MensRights11/07/20 09:52 AM
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I don't know. We aren't in America anyway, so if you are kiwi and want to donate please send a direct message.
/r/MensRights11/07/20 12:59 AM
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Men are generally unaware of the range of possible support services. Because we've never experienced them and a host of other reasons. I run a support service for men and believe that our collective ignorance about these means we aren't pressing harder for them. Running this service, I can affect the whole system, not just the men we take care of.I have social work students and counselors students training with us and they have their eyes opened, to go off and advocate inside the system on gradu…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 06:33 PM
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I agree with all that. I made this comment or a vision below, repeating it here. What could be. All it would take is some billionaire deciding to change things for American men and an awful lot of good could be done. I run a men's support service in NZ. 10 million per year in America would be 100 city's getting a support grant of 100,000 each to do care for men. If they followed our model they would be using students in internship doing counseling and social work interventions with the support o…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 06:49 AM
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All it would take is some billionaire deciding to change things for American men and an awful lot of good could be done. I run a men's support service in NZ. 10 million per year in America would be 100 city's getting a support grant of 100,000 each to do care for men. If they followed our model they would be using students in internship doing counseling and social work interventions with the support of a team lead doing about 200 counseling sessions per week. Mostly sliding scale fees, but free …
/r/MensRights10/07/20 06:21 AM
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I support him doing what he wants with his money. You have to read my comment pretty sideways to conclude what you did. Your comment doesn't make sense as written. I assume it is autocorrect that caused the problem. So a male can’t do what he wants with his male? I thought this was a men’s rights sub and you wanna take this right away from him?
/r/MensRights10/07/20 03:57 AM
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I'll raise it as a matter at the next patriarchs conference. I'm sure we have just been overlooked.
/r/MensRights10/07/20 03:50 AM
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I had a woman tell me if you want money for refuges for men you should be out there on the street protesting like we did. I guess men should have acted the same way when women wanted to enter "our" universities. And I expect some did say that. But they would be recognised now as turds. I hope the same can be said about anyone using the same logic about excluding men from domestic violence care.
/r/MensRights10/07/20 02:17 AM
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I am a man and graduated in mech end in 86. The women in my class had so many extra supports and opportunities it was ridiculous. Jobs on offer on graduation for women had them receiving preferred access on the top companies. Definitely twice as likely as a comparable man to be hired. My girlfriend was in mech eng at the time and we talked about it. She said she hated the sexist jokes when she was in the field, with it mostly being blue collar men in the factory settings. She acknowledged they h…
/r/MensRights09/07/20 09:51 PM
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They are the IRA to our Sinn Fein. While I wish good argument was enough to get positive change going, anger and bad behaviour also work.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 09:32 PM
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I think you conclude that most judges are misandrist. Even the nice ones. The bias against men is so established. I had someone tell me the other day that courts are patriarchal in my area toward female lawyers. The women have to wear heels. In some judges a skirt is required by the judge. If pants are worn they must be pantsuits. I assume the guys have to wear suits. Anyway, the court might be patriarchal, but it sure doesn't like men.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 09:18 PM
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I suspect we haven't been giving the right answer so far.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 09:06 PM
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Such bro humor. Love it. Laughed the whole way thru.
/r/MensRights06/07/20 09:37 PM
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Male support services. I run a men's centre, so ask me more. PS our clients are all male and workers are approximately 50% women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/20 09:31 PM
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Pretty common from what people say on this sub. I don't those that lost the decision lost their jobs. Get taken to court by someone because you have broken the human rights act. What do you do? You blame the system, not look at yourself.
/r/MensRights06/07/20 07:14 PM
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There are very few men requesting and receiving then in my country. A good portion of this is for to control services taking a lead role in seeing these happen and since there aren't victim services for men... I've heard it is much harder for a man to get such an order, though note that is anecdotal and I haven't come across any research into this question. I can't imagine researchers and advocates not hammering this question if women were experiencing it.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 11:50 PM
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Nice. How about working with us to do some events and promotion on international Men's Day on 19 November? Take a look at our website internationalmensday.nz and see what we got up to last year. Our fortnightly public radio program is listed on there as well. Facebook page too!
/r/MensRights04/07/20 05:12 AM
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Sorry dude. That ship has sailed. But I'm glad you are on the journey of men's issues. We do need you to be cocreating this with us and you have a special place here.
/r/MensRights03/07/20 10:27 PM
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I'm open to that possibility, that it is wholly culture. I'm sure a good portion of it is cultural, with that having a momentum if its own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 10:24 PM
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It hadn't occurred to me that dishonesty at that level could be protected from scrutiny. I was generally accepting of a woman's sexual history not being important to proving rape. Even then, I'm aware that it might exclude significant data that could clear a defendant. That it could be extended this far out from that point says that some foundational rights have been thrown away. If there were a human rights commission that cared about men I'd hope they would point to this matter as a breach of …
/r/MensRights03/07/20 09:29 PM
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He would definitely be screened as a perpetrator. And any action he took, even if only to defend himself, would be recorded. His later death by her hand would then be dismissed as an example of one of those instances where the man was the principal aggressor. Principal aggressor falling out of the Duluth approach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 05:45 PM
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Because they don't care about men. To be fair, very few people actually care about men. Warren Farrell referred to it in one of his books. Speculated that this could be biological in origin, to not let it get to you, but to do what we can anyway. I'm doing shit for international Men's Day each year. 19 November. That's an additional chance to really just be grateful for men, that gives me a bit more insight each year.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 10:41 AM
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So true. I would temper you though on your last statements in regards to the men recognising dv by their partner and calling the police. It is very dangerous for a man to contact the police unless he has a knife sticking out of him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 09:47 AM
2

You especially!
/r/MensRights30/06/20 10:12 AM
3

Oh. Sorry to hear that. I hope you get thru it all gracefully.
/r/MensRights30/06/20 04:04 AM
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I'm not sure why you commented with that. Sounds like you are in an awful place. It does connect well to your user name.
/r/MensRights30/06/20 03:50 AM
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Thanks for sticking up for us. I only know one woman I'm the real world that thinks like them. The internet has enabled some very unbalanced mindsets to flourish.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 07:27 PM
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Men are a minority.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 07:20 PM
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Oh. This incident send to have happened while you've been with your partner. An added complication! Hopefully the kid gets a fair go.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 06:03 PM
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Google might have something. Go looking then tell us what you found.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 10:54 AM
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Oh. That is what you are worried about. Well, if it is your kid do you want to be involved? It would mean you are likely activating child support. If not, you just try to forget about it and get on with life.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 10:52 AM
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The question is, do you feel harmed by what happened. Yes, she crossed a line. You were clear with your boundary and in theory she should have respected it. So now, time to digest what happened. And if you find it is bugging you, find someone to talk to about it.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 10:47 AM
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It tells you a lot about power that someone so appalling can continue on despite obvious transgressions.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 02:16 AM
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Their website has the following info in the about us. Canmen.org.nz. Donate - Want to make a difference for Canterbury men? Ask us how you can volunteer to help out. Make a regular or one off donation either by cheque or internet. Make a bequest. Payroll giving. Did you know you can now arrange for payments directly through your wages? Just take this to your accounts person and ask them to make the arrangements. To make a one off donation use the Paypal Donation button on the right. We are a reg…
/r/MensRights28/06/20 02:27 AM
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Our Minister of Social Development responded to my despairing letter about the denial of care for male victims by saying the service in my region received money for this. It is a lie. I know the services. Just keep telling people about it. Few know.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 10:53 PM
1

For every Man Men situation there were Desperate Wives of as well.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 09:36 PM
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I can't agree with the black and white statement there. Having said that, a guy getting robbed and killed might make the paper. A pretty women? Could start a movement.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 09:13 PM
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I think it is good to know what some might say. But we don't know context. Could be a Christian nun saying it. Could be anyone. We also don't know how common the thought is. We also don't know if the person is feminist. Or if they are at least internally consistent in their ethics. If I were not part ape, and able to balance probabilities, it would be good to be exposed to this OP. But I'm not. I get an emotional reaction. Hurt, fear, rage. It's harmful. Anything without at least a clear source …
/r/MensRights26/06/20 09:14 PM
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Good question. I compare the average man's sexual experience with that of the average man 100 years ago and we are much better off. Sincere question. Are married women less faithful than they used to be?
/r/MensRights26/06/20 09:10 PM
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Oh yes. We have lots of sexism against men and some sexist laws. But except for the capital, you don't bump into hard core feminism very much. Around here, people genuinely want men to do well and are glad we exist. They are surprised to find men will use the service. The old build it and they will come worked out for these guys. And it is still growing.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 10:02 AM
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I posted it to tell you all this is the type of vision we can have. Support services for men. Nice thing is, there isn't any guiding gender politics there. It is all about taking care of and being kind to men. More than half the counselors are women, with them being very male positive. Local funders love supporting it. We don't have the same gender politics here as you do in America.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 09:13 AM
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Christchurch, New Zealand. 180 counseling clients per week, male survivor of sexual abuse support services, peer support for dads, men's groups, men's sheds and a few other projects. It's a beast now. And something that should be available to men in all centres.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 09:00 AM
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Always is too strong of a word. There are lots of lovely women and others on this sub that stand beside men. To be fair, I'm more concerned about the lack of men standing up.
/r/MensRights26/06/20 01:10 AM
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Wow. If that is accurate it sure tells men they aren't of value in themselves. Only in what they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 08:26 PM
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I doubt mate selection from women is wholly a logical exchange like you present it. It is partly of course. Same for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/20 08:21 PM
5

All that looks pretty accurate. I still wouldn't advise you to walk around with such a sign at a blm event. Then again, you should be able to do so.
/r/MensRights24/06/20 02:37 AM
1

We're all learning on this sub. Nice to share.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/20 06:59 AM
11

You think there are 300 laws privileging men, so it all works out? I wish.
/r/MensRights21/06/20 06:43 AM
10

That age gap is very common in the gay community. Let adults make their deals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 02:59 PM
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I'm sympathetic to your suggestion. The example given of women having 55 percent of the top jobs in a company would have a lot more women being promoted than men. Women leave for pregnancy and children, and for other reasons where they leave the workforce much more than men. You would likely have to have 70 or 80 percent of new upper management being women to maintain that 55 percent. That would be getting into some very overt discrimination against men.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 02:53 PM
1

Certainly in regards to rape victims if Lara and the other fellow were to believed.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 10:02 AM
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Thanks. I spoke to her after she spoke at a conference about male survivors of sexual abuse. I got the impression that her data and case we're very strong but not something that others in the field wanted to accept. She was fairly low key but indicated that she agreed with another one of the conference presenters that there is an unwillingness in the UN to collect data on male victims of sexual assault and rape in war contexts. They actively avoid allowing data to be collected and processed, eve…
/r/MensRights20/06/20 01:53 AM
2

Nah. We're all good. Thanks anyway.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 01:40 AM
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It's over 50 50 once you include prison if the research by Lara stemple is to be believed.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 01:38 AM
1

How do we know where that info is? It isn't on the image.
/r/MensRights20/06/20 01:37 AM
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Nice. I look forward to seeing the results.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 12:36 PM
10

I wish it were only feminists that believe that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 10:44 AM
1

My guess is you are right about the discrimination. I hope someone is doing more formal research on this. The cynic in me says the research is being done but results only relate to women focused outcome improvements.
/r/MensRights18/06/20 09:59 AM
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I think men do need platforms to work out finding a partner. PUA as well. It would probably involve some coaching about looks. Conversation starters and practice. I think most guys could learn a lot about themselves and life from 2 or 3 sessions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 05:07 PM
1

Oh. Forgot about all that. Yeah, if that formatting works for you, sure! My point is, we have to channel the anger, recognise it, and become improved by it. I don't want us to be a bunch of bitter old MRA types hobbling around in 40 years. I want us to be evolved impressive sane people who expressed ourselves cleanly and purposefully. It isn't easy to challenge the mob. Developing grace is the only way I can see to make a good life and do good.
/r/MensRights16/06/20 02:05 AM
1

Projection is a powerful thing.
/r/MensRights16/06/20 01:51 AM
2

Tell me more. I have no idea what you are alluding to.
/r/MensRights16/06/20 01:50 AM
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I think this sub could be used to cultivate more compassion for men. At least, more than it has been. While anger is a great emotion for getting things done in many cases, it is also important to get to the emotions under the anger. I know that in the broader culture it isn't particularly wise usually to go with those other emotions. But this platform does allow that risk taking by men. I'd love to see more of the guys that are expressing anger on this sub say something like this. "I'm furious t…
/r/MensRights15/06/20 11:25 PM
2

A great way to run a fascist state. KGB would have had similar powers, simple charges that cripple your career for life. Unless you do what they say.
/r/MensRights14/06/20 12:19 AM
4

More than that. A narcissist isn't just hiding behavior. They are studying the rest of us. How to trigger the right responses etc. It's more like a predator prey situation.
/r/MensRights12/06/20 09:05 PM
4

Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 05:24 PM
3

I suggest keep it simple. Just do one get together on 19 November. Do a meetup at a pub or cafe. Those are easy to organise. We do it and it is nice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 10:17 AM
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We have to build a compassion movement for men. That's why i do international Men's Day events in my region. Celebrate guys. We need men to feel cared about so they will care about others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 09:34 AM
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I run a charity that has the mission of taking care of men. It's unusual for us to get a personal donation. National government contracts don't provide for men. It's the local charitable trusts the give us money, because they have looked at the situation long enough and feel good about acting. Yes, black boys should have been cared about too. But for whatever reason, men and women aren't drawn to taking care of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 08:29 AM
4

I'm searching for a term to create the new hashtag for this issue. Something like #manspreading. #hertasting? #whatsoursismine?
/r/MensRights12/06/20 06:05 AM
3

Hyper agency in action. Men have a problem, it's their fault. Women have a problem, society has to fix it.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 10:55 PM
4

Doh! The enemy is women? I'm a men's advocate and will stand against you on that type of thinking.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 10:53 PM
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Female politicians as well.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 10:51 PM
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Our Green party has 7 of the top 10 list MPs as women. This was being circulated around by people as a good thing.
/r/MensRights11/06/20 07:49 PM
2

Sad to hear that is your experience. People i know don't seem to see it as different.
/r/MensRights09/06/20 09:50 AM
3

There are quite a few posts on this sub from India. Good work all.
/r/MensRights09/06/20 12:19 AM
2

And another post I saw said that if you adjust for socio economic issues that black white difference is non existent. The police shootings could arguably be more about poverty and gender, with gender being obviously the larger component. I'm confident black people are experiencing racism from the police. I'm confident that socio economic issues are very much driven by active and or historic racism. But when it comes to dying by police shooting, it is men.
/r/MensRights09/06/20 12:19 AM
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Did their mod crew remove it?
/r/MensRights09/06/20 12:04 AM
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Id heard that. When it comes to dating, a large portion of those men are taken out of circulation by the prison system. Those women are still out there. In some cases putting innocent or moderately bad men in prison with via dv claims.
/r/MensRights07/06/20 06:41 PM
3

I looked into how common bpd was in women a while back. It was 1 in 20. Scary.
/r/MensRights07/06/20 02:34 PM
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You are right. When i posted link the top comments in r/science weren't pointing to the inaccuracy you mention. It is so common for press releases to grab on to the worst interpretation of male behavior. Having said that, so many of the researchers seem to grab for the worst interpretation of men's behaviors as well.
/r/MensRights07/06/20 02:18 PM
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This says the research finds men are much more drawn to crazy women than vice versa. We've joked on this sub about the issue. What's interesting for me is that when it comes to domestic violence, the focus is on women being with crazy men. This research streers us toward asking the question how many men are with crazy and dangerous women. And what happens to them when things go bad and the police turn up is well documented.
/r/MensRights07/06/20 04:14 AM
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You captured that so well, thanks. I run just such a service, just getting going. Men experience 10 losses at the same time there, well everyone what a typical woman would. And the bulk of support services are set up for and used by women. Men? Well, they should just stop killing themselves. /S
/r/MensRights05/06/20 11:30 PM
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Wow. Thanks for being the force for change. Congratulations for standing up to a bully.
/r/MensRights05/06/20 09:05 PM
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Is there a kind way to tell her at the end of term how it affected you? Go with your relationship to her and her kindness. Not the data. Tell her you have factual reasons to believe differently, but don't present the facts. Just tell her you didn't feel safe to be honest.
/r/MensRights05/06/20 09:04 PM
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Thanks for pointing this out. Like most men that go through sepatation, I was the one leaving the family home. That loss didn't feel big at the time but it meant I did leave behind all the tangible evidence of my relationship with my kids. All the toys, the stuff I had built in the backyard for them to use, the memories tied to things. More men need to hear this said, to remind them that their loss was real and very likely to lead to grief.
/r/MensRights05/06/20 08:54 PM
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Didn't know that. Simple projection doing it's thing again I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 11:57 PM
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I used to run a support group for men that were leaving long term hetero relationships to be gay. Most the men were 40 and over but thought it was now time to leave that world behind. While it was like when most men leave a relationship, divorce rape being a possibility, the wives seemed much more angry about leaving left for a man or men. Much more furious. The guys agreed, and had a variety of explanations, but it was a consistent pattern. Didn't make sense to me. Seems like a no fault situati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/20 10:37 AM
2

Nice.
/r/MensRights02/06/20 06:31 PM
1

Aww. See? Now there are 2 of us that care about men's health. Share the love!
/r/MensRights02/06/20 10:14 AM
1

I care. Now you can't say that anymore.
/r/MensRights02/06/20 10:03 AM
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I'm extremely keen on men having special support services, like women have today. What's interesting is that if you focus on need instead of on oppression you find a very different picture emerging. In that light men are suffering greatly and should be helped. With the oppression blinders on, it looks like women need the help. Oppression Olympics, privilege. They are real but for some reason the math goes all wonky when they assume men get a bonus on birth.
/r/MensRights02/06/20 10:00 AM
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Nice to see lots of supportive comments.
/r/MensRights02/06/20 09:43 AM
1

Thanks. You started it!
/r/MensRights01/06/20 04:01 AM
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This should be stickied at the top of this sub. I'm stunned at how low the profile is for the gender aspect of this issue. I'll do a big spiel and hope it stimulates conversation. I was about to post this, but will tag along instead. I did a post grad paper in men's health. In there we defined a men's health issue as any health issue that disproportionately affects men. This extended to social and justice system matters as these have significant impact on men's health in very gendered ways. Poli…
/r/MensRights31/05/20 09:55 PM
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Damn. I think I need a day off of the internet. I know that there is an awful lot of data showing the world is generally getting better, but damn.
/r/MensRights31/05/20 07:42 PM
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I partly wish you had said that we should also pander to men. But pander has a negative connotation. A more positive framing would be, let's care more about men and find ways to show that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/20 05:23 AM
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I see mixed messaging about what feminists want from those on this sub. They want men to go mgtow ala lesbian conspiracy They are threatened by men going mgtow and don't want it. I don't know what actually feminists say they want. Good argument in the post though.
/r/MensRights31/05/20 03:59 AM
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I give a shit about men. I'm angry that you weren't listened to and cared for. I've found as people get older that they get past their stereotypes about men's experience. I'm hoping that while those people didn't really hop on board with your say this point they will reflect on it and be more caring with the next guy.
/r/MensRights30/05/20 09:18 AM
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... It's because males are afraid of being mocked. What? Men understand that people genuinely don't care all that much what happens to them. They certainly aren't going to go protest on the street etc.
/r/MensRights30/05/20 09:14 AM
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You have 14 upvotes to my 8 on this, and I know a lot of people on this sub do agree with you. I had an experience about 5 years ago where I asked a feminist forum I was engaging with to point to examples of misogyny on this sub. They pointed out a bunch of comments where in the end I had to agree, the person was angry at or about women, with their gender position being the issue. I just overlook it on this sub because I understand the anger, and give the person the benefit of the doubt. That is…
/r/MensRights30/05/20 01:33 AM
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I find it useful to read twox. There are extreme comments on there, but there are on this sub as well. I like that it gives me an insight into what is happening for women. I was disappointed to find they removed the guys comment. Hell, my memory is that it had gold as well and was the top comment. That said a lot to me about the people using the sub.
/r/MensRights29/05/20 10:28 PM
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Submission statement: the five victims mentioned are all men. But that appears to be invisible despite the cameras. I'm fine for saying it will likely be guys that are more likely to require a physical intervention by the police. It's just that when the police get it wrong for whatever reason it will almost always be men experiencing this. Much like dv is more likely to harm women in the direct exchange, this matter is very much a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights29/05/20 09:02 PM
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The men's movement is remarkably small in scale. New Zealand is where I live and it reflects at a national level the rest of the men's movement IMHO. A history of limited protests, some organising that gets a few headlines and falls over. No government support. No support inside University environments. Very little happens in the traditional media that engages men's issues and very little echo when it does make it in the paper. There seem to be a lot of people interested in it, but that has been…
/r/MensRights29/05/20 03:22 AM
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Sorry. Can't bring myself to open an rt.com link and don't want even a mirror of it.
/r/MensRights29/05/20 03:06 AM
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An eye for an eye I guess.
/r/MensRights28/05/20 11:50 PM
1

Can you link to an example of that behavior? I've seen the special case made for women but never heard them argue that.
/r/MensRights27/05/20 01:22 AM
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Thanks. When people talk about bias, they rarely acknowledge it in themselves. I see myself as having significant biases toward coddling women, despite being very experienced in caring for men. Hell, I run a men's support service, have directly interviewed and cared for over 1500 men and still see myself as unconsciously protective and more caring toward women. I'm glad we have the capacity to self reflect.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 11:39 PM
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My heart yearns for the day that males and females are the same amount of funny. I feel alarmed when I read that. What if the only way that can happen is if men hobble themselves? Where I sit, it's like you saying you yearn for the day that the average woman is as tall as the average man. I doubt you want men to be hobbled, or cut off at the knees for that matter but you may want to look closer at your thinking. Do you have a bias against accepting men and women as they are at some rudimentary l…
/r/MensRights26/05/20 09:57 PM
1

Claim on this sub is that the man card has more sentencing bias against it than the black card. I don't know how true that is, but the dude aspect is genuinely ignored mostly.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 09:49 PM
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Evidence for any change please? PS I don't see feminists as the main barrier to men having a better deal personally. More the lack of care for mens well being.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 09:45 PM
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I think that women really need push back from men in their lives but guys have partly androstenedione that role and society has crushed men's ability to be assertive inside a relationship. A healthy relationship requires both people accepting responsibility for it but responsibility and power have to come together otherwise you have a real mess.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 09:22 PM
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I was a child protection social worker for a few years. It was almost always women we investigated. I was worried about the men in the relationship being an issue and my unconscious bias and behavior was that I expected the guy to be worse than the woman.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 09:11 PM
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I don't know how he would combine masculinity and that guys clothes. I laughed when I opened your link at images of the guy. Tell your uncle to let him have fun. Leave him alone.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 08:54 PM
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Sure. We'll have you. Welcome aboard!
/r/MensRights26/05/20 08:50 PM
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Submission statement: Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 01:50 AM
1

True. Hussah! Waltz away Matilda!
/r/MensRights25/05/20 08:03 PM
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I don't know of any rights women don't have that men have in Australia. You have to go into some pretty convoluted arguments to frame it that way when advocating for women.
/r/MensRights25/05/20 06:56 PM
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You and I might be fine with it and shrug her off as a loser or crazy. But I think men and boys are feeling that hate. I think it is one reason for the high suicide rate for men.
/r/MensRights24/05/20 03:39 AM
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Ugly. Structural sexism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 10:33 AM
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I think it's fine as long as you are poking fun at a mate. Same with telling a woman she is ovaryacting. As long as it is said in good fun.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 07:22 AM
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Much a guess. Just it is clear that men die earlier than women hence the ratio of deaths will rise once you adjust for per capital.
/r/MensRights21/05/20 08:40 AM
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I think you are right. The framing of issues is so important. Twice as likely to die of covid 19 could also be Men are 4 times as likely to die as women in the over 80 age bracket.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 08:36 PM
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George Carlin captured it when he said: Just think of how dumb the average person is. And half of people are dumber. Or something like that. Present company excepted of course.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 07:55 PM
1

I replied to Plutoriver, with them being the comment above me. I'm confused why you are confused.
/r/MensRights20/05/20 02:52 AM
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1 in 20 women have a borderline personality disorder. They in general totally fuck up their kids, as it is such a distorting situation and they genuinely don't recognize it as such or care if they do. Have you had a look through the r/raisedbynarcissists sub? You would probably benefit by taking to others that have gone through that meat grinder.
/r/MensRights19/05/20 11:04 PM
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I'll add "and women" to your statement. Funnily enough, I get more women noticing this stuff and commenting about it than men.
/r/MensRights19/05/20 08:43 PM
2

Lol.
/r/MensRights19/05/20 08:40 PM
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Yeah. Funny how they have an answer that is a non answer but that satisfies the matter. Another example of that behaviour is when people say we should focus on male suicide because they are 3 times as likely to die that way. The response is, well men use more violent methods. Then the conversation stops. Nothing more needs to be done. Oh, if they are feeling generous they will tell men to change, let go of toxic masculinity, cry sometimes.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 06:29 AM
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I'm sure the logic twists around to cover that angle somehow.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 05:20 AM
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Projection is very common. My aggression is "just" aggression. Is another part of the equation. Tit for tat. Men just have to keep taking it on the cheek. There was an internal dispute at our human rights commission. One person thought we should also care about men's issues and was pressing that. They had someone research the matter and conclude, no, let's not do that. The caring one pressed the other saying, you can't do this. It is wrong. The other said, Women have suffered under men for over …
/r/MensRights17/05/20 02:01 AM
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Jump on the imd train! Men really need love and encouragement. So much bitterness toward us men and it is really toxic and had the opposite affect of what people say they want.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 01:36 AM
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I've heard it explained as it is because you are punching down. Didn't really make sense to me. Seemed to satisfy them.
/r/MensRights17/05/20 01:34 AM
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Will there will be lots of others that come across that data still and just don't focus on it. It should be on the list above.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 11:56 PM
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There is probably income research that gets muffled when it comes to single women earning vs male. About 10 years ago in America and England there were headlines about it, with single women earning 8 percent more than single men. The difference was smaller in England. I'm sure in all those other reviews of wages and gender have come across this many times but not played it up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/20 09:33 PM
1

Oh. I didn't say, I focus on my project mission. Happy healthy men, and that seems to please most people. They might be surprised to hear that I'm angry about what i see as men's exclusion from many services and nod and think about it. Most see me as a genuine person who had been doing a lot of good and give me grudging respect for creating a novel service.
/r/MensRights16/05/20 01:03 PM
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I'm in New Zealand in the south island. That could reflect my experience. In University, I did a master's level degree and that was extramural on top of an engineering degree so I was only in training for 2 years. And that was with other mature social workers that had experience already. I saw a little bit of the dogmatism of feminism but it wasn't entrenched. I'm setting up a men's support service, I was very supported by other social workers. A number of them pulled me aside, declared themselv…
/r/MensRights16/05/20 01:00 PM
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Well, that she appreciates me is my story, and I'm sticking with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 06:34 PM
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She appreciates me in other ways. We practice appreciation after having followed the positive psychology movement for some time. So, to me her not feeling appreciation toward my effort in that way is a loss for her as well as me. It never occurred to me that I should receive appreciation for bringing home the bacon which is part of the gender issue involved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 06:18 PM
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Thanks for this post. I'm in a rewarding marriage that follows this classical trajectory overall. It is good to see all that laid out. One thing I've raised a number of times with my wife without bitterness is that she genuinely doesn't appreciate me bringing home the bacon. Ever. Yet I'll think and at times say I appreciate her doing this, with her working less than me overall. I'm lucky in that I mostly like my work and only work a 4 day week, so it isn't a point of tension. But if this weren'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:25 PM
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Thanks. I'll explore that historic phenomenon in my country as well some time. Should be easy enough to get that data.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 05:24 AM
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Good point. Is that data for family violence victims or intimate partner violence victims? I couldn't open the link on my tablet. Where I live, 40% of fv victims are men. 25% of ipv male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 09:51 PM
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I agree. I'm not surprised that there appear to be twice as many deaths by male suicide as there are dv deaths. This invisible patriarchy that runs the planet doesn't seem to notice that. Never mentioned in the dv prevention scene as something to be addressed. Another cost carried by men is imprisonment for dv offenses. Some of those guys were just bad and doing bad. Some were troubled but with bad people and with caring engagement earlier on would have stayed away from the mess. The other guys …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 07:53 PM
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Men and women experience family violence at similar levels but men experience less actual harm. All the resources go to women using that thinking to justify the resource decision. Suicide, with men experiencing much more harm? Not even a target. No special programs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 06:39 PM
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I detest feminism. But I think it is largely a distraction from the larger challenge for men. That challenge is the general indifference towards improving things for men. Our disposability. If we could get past that feminism would collapse and men would thrive. That's why I'm putting my focus on loving and celebrating men. International Men's Day is a nice time to put some genuine effort toward men.
/r/MensRights13/05/20 10:13 AM
1

That data, about how much women and men earn, is available and collected. All it takes is someone that knows the basics to extract it or ask the right people to extract it. It is something that a person with minimal understanding of the distress can do. Yet out of all the 200,000 or so subscribers here, mostly young, mostly articulate, and many in University settings no on has done this. Or if they did they didn't post or anywhere I know of. To me it demonstrates a significant basic lack of nous…
/r/MensRights11/05/20 12:21 AM
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Leopardsatemyface sub has a very twisted discussion about the post. https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/ggnzpi/men_dont_hide_their_emotions_because_of_toxic
/r/MensRights10/05/20 07:44 PM
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I've never personally had anyone use the word entitled in a conversation. A quick Google search for men and entitled had only women describe men this way. Men know we are mostly beggars in this regard. I guess there are the odd guys with personality disorders that might think they are entitled to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/20 07:11 PM
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I'm not American so don't know your system. In my country it would take minimal effort to get similar data. Again, it says so much that we don't have someone gathering such powerful data to make a useful point.
/r/MensRights10/05/20 12:34 AM
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He's probably terrified that you are going to get hammered for telling the truth.
/r/MensRights10/05/20 12:30 AM
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12 year old data. Don't get me wrong here. I'm glad your have highlighted this. Can one of us please go off and get the data for something more recent? Somebody has the skills to do this on this sub. To me it is so revealing about the lack of men's advocacy that this isn't updated and published intermittently.
/r/MensRights09/05/20 10:47 PM
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I expect feminism is taught alongside other theories and models in social work schools. I only did a master's degree in the area so we didn't spend much time leading what models were and instead we just applied them. Yeah, I've seen that Duluth quote before. It looks like they understand they created a monster.
/r/MensRights06/05/20 04:45 PM
1

That first link about the Duluth model the argument makes sense to me. I'm unusual as a social worker in that I think feminism isn't credible at as way to analyze society. I have had about 20 social work students on internship with me and none have been as crazy as the person you link to, or anything like her. New Zealand might be different. I did hear that one of our regional colleges is inclined that way.
/r/MensRights06/05/20 04:36 PM
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Damn. I live in New Zealand and many charities for overseas poverty say that the best way to improve health and well being is to ensure the girls are educated. They always sent a chill through me, fearing it would turn out like you say. Sexism doesn't seem to matter when it is boys experience it. Sorry you guys are stuck with that.
/r/MensRights06/05/20 08:20 AM
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We are doing the same thing in New Zealand. The phone line at least makes it clear they are about male perpetrators in their marketing. I work on the edges of domestic violence here and have seen 3 recent press releases where they state from the outset that... The research shows we have to commit to a focus on men's violence. I don't know what we have been doing up to now except that.
/r/MensRights03/05/20 07:01 PM
1

I'm a social worker in New Zealand and run a men's support service. What did you want to talk about?
/r/MensRights03/05/20 12:52 AM
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Huzzah! Hey, I think you and I know each other in real life. I'm in Christchurch. Anyway, thanks for the post.
/r/MensRights03/05/20 12:47 AM
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You can go to the stats NZ page for this month for your region and find out how many male adult victims there were and how many female. That is police data. It shows 1 to 3 as a ratio normally. That tells you the minimum ratio obviously as police just don't bother ticking the box for men in most cases.
/r/MensRights03/05/20 12:45 AM
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Their aren't would be willing mental health problems are caused by society, the patriarchy in particular. Men, it's because they haven't learned to be more like women. And if men were more like women, there wouldn't be any patriarchy. That hurt me head to put that together.
/r/AntiFeminists02/05/20 10:24 PM
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I run a support service for men and based on my experience stigma isn't an issue, or at least a major one. It's the lack of offers of relevant support to men that is the problem. On separation, guys really need some space to talk to other men that are going thru it. Most are drawn by a need to get useful advise from other guys at the groups I know. But the thing the critical thing they get, the validation, the loving concern, the chance to be with others in sorrow, is the magical element. Losing…
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:28 AM
1

We could use some male celebrity types doing the same for men. Good on her for caring about women. To be nice if more people like her threw us a bone but that would be risky for her publicity I went.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:06 AM
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Some churches set up a weekly dad's group. Often a breakfast group. A group that exists for dads dealing with separation is the actual acute need but would be a leap for most churches to undertake. Do a Google search for what other churches provide.
/r/MensRights28/04/20 01:01 AM
10

Everyone? Sounds like it is you that lost it.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 04:15 AM
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Oh. They would no longer have the capacity to test if a female perpetrator is suspected?
/r/MensRights27/04/20 01:52 AM
2

We all were oppressed. I'd much rather be a trans gay black muslim woman in America now than a king 500 years ago.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:56 PM
1

Could be they both need to learn how to work through conflict better.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:51 PM
3

I run a men's centre in New Zealand and have had a number of feminists mention they support our work. I've not had one say the opposite. We focus almost wholly on taking care of men though do comment at times on how men are disadvantaged in various ways. The regional funders have been very supportive. But until recently there weren't any national government contracts available to take care of men. Recently there has been the rollout of a large contract to help male victims of sexual abuse and th…
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:47 PM
1

Tell us what the page is so others from here can sub.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:33 PM
1

Yes
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:32 PM
3

While only a small number of revenge porn victims are male, many of them face additional challenges that include being turned away from the police or social services. Nine out of 10 men are also victims of sextortion, a crime related to revenge porn that involves using the sexually explicit content to financially blackmail victims. Those 2 statements leave me thinking the first statement is wrong.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:20 PM
2

The right doesn't treat men any better.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:08 PM
8

One item for the pandemic response kit.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:05 PM
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I feel dirty after reading an article like that, and not the good kind of dirty. Every assumption made, even the condescending caring concern, leaves me recoiled.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 09:03 PM
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It isn't just teachers that enforce that sexist attitude of never hit girls. The White Ribbon Campaign is all about reinforcing that one. I'm not worried about myself, but I've got a 12 year old son and I read something like this and it gives me goosebumps.
/r/MensRights25/04/20 05:48 PM
3

And it looks like we have another bit of research that proves that.
/r/MensRights25/04/20 10:07 AM
3

Sadly it isn't.
/r/MensRights25/04/20 10:06 AM
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Didn't read the research but they appear to have some sexist bias against boys in this release.
/r/MensRights25/04/20 01:57 AM
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I try to engage all forms of discussions about men. I'm genuinely curious. Every time I have joined the sub after a few days of watching comments I've noped away. Cringe is my response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 01:41 AM
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Other ones exist?
/r/MensRights21/04/20 08:50 PM
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Pinker didn't refer to the men's movement in his book or his talks about the subject as far as I know. That was me taking it in with the others and I suspect he would agree with that. And my knowledge about the Reformation is limited so I'll respond based on Better Angela of our Nature; the Decline of violence in Western Society. He spends the first half of the book making the case that violence in general has declined steadily over the past 500 years. I found that understanding of our progress …
/r/MensRights21/04/20 06:06 AM
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Thanks. I read the first few pages and thought she brought a lot of insight to the topic. Too lazy to work harder, but yes, quite a valuable perspective.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 02:06 AM
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I think of men's rights as just an offshoot of the Reformation movement that started 500 years ago. Steven Pinker convinced me of that in Being Angels of our Nature. The book is a great read and accessible to most though quite think. YouTube video available as a starter. Anyway, we have bring creating a more compassionate, just society. Human rights, women's rights, gay rights, trans rights, animal rights, children's rights... And now I think it is time for men's rights that is rising. If not, w…
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:58 AM
1

Thanks. Nice to be appreciated.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:33 AM
1

Funny thing is, I rarely come across hostility toward men in either community members or service providers. Domestic violence services excluded, and even then there are those that do care about men. I think it is at a national leadership level that there is genuine lack of concern for men and their well being. I think they are afaid of upsetting women's groups, with no upside for them.
/r/MensRights21/04/20 01:13 AM
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Just a bit of history for you all. I graduated in mech eng as a man in 86. Women got lots of special treats already back then. Scholarships, access to the dean, special welcoming induction events, femsoc with that being their own society though I don't know what that meant. They also got premier access to the job placement as well as eventual jobs. IBM, Dow Chemicals, Exxon... Girls first. So nothing new.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 11:55 PM
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Well, they were all nominally white due to their being male and experiencing privilege. /S
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 11:51 PM
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Glad you feel some outrage as well. I run one of the rare support services for men in the country and the amount of denial from the police and other services when I point out they deny men victim care is stunning. I did a research paper 2 years ago and found that even with all the denial about male victims from the ground up, stats NZ show in their monthly data the number of victims by gender. Guess what? 25 percent of adult victims of fv, as tagged by the police, are men. The police, when press…
/r/MensRights20/04/20 11:48 PM
1

If it possible for us confusing sexism with something else? If she is young or attractive she may be experiencing their muted desire and interpreting it as sexism. A very different motive.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 10:19 PM
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You would really need something that compared a random selection of gendered examples in the dictionary to make a claim like that. You might very well be on to something. If we had academics working on men's issues this would be a very interesting project. And one that would require minimal resources as it could be automated. We should keep a list of such research projects hopes. There are lots of students looking to do Masters in an interesting and easy subject like this.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 10:15 PM
1

We have a similar law in New Zealand and have had for 20 years or so. Male assaults female.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 10:04 PM
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There is a similar group in NZ. Nice guys that would still be useful to a male victim, but leaves me angry to know this is happening.
/r/MensRights20/04/20 10:02 PM
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... and arguably suffer the most emotionally when they can't provide. Suicide is one outcome of a swift increase in unemployment for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 01:07 AM
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Funny how that thinking all turns around when women are the vulnerable ones. I imagine we wouldn't be doing a shared shrug if that were the case. Poster and tv campaigns pointing out the importance of men not being in roles where they can get the virus. Unemployment measures allowing those with higher vulnerability to do less covid risky work. Special smoking cessation efforts, screening for men. Hell, I've never seen anyone mention that men will likely be experiencing the larger share of the un…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/20 12:44 AM
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It didn't open for me. Can you describe how it discriminates against men and give a constructed example? I believe you and can imagine the justification.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 11:10 PM
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I think the left is much more compassion driven and that leaves it more likely to be driven by those tender women are wonderful beliefs. The left is much more about the collective as well. The right much more about me, then mine, then my community, my state, my country; in that order. The ingroup bias women demonstrate means that a collective approach is driven by that bias. The person centric right rely more on the power of the individual, with men generally carrying that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/20 08:40 PM
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That trope of competent woman married to silly man was there in the 50s and 60s as much I suspect. I grew up watching the Flintstones and The Honeymooners. From what I understand, Shakespeare was very much about that as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/20 02:35 PM
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I suggest doing a search here and in men's rights to see the range of opinions. What are the causes, what are the cures, and if there is any hope. I could give my opinion but I already did more of that than I'm comfortable with without sources.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 10:15 PM
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I suspect you are being Socratic here so don't know your level of knowledge on the issue. Have you genuinely not seen any data on boys failing compared to girls overall? Nor seen conversations about the reasons for this and other men's subs?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 09:38 PM
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I don't know if there is any research showing that perception nor an explanation. But I'll write assuming it is true, and taking a guess. The article covers a general bias against men. It's normal to tie a general negative expectation with lack of intelligence. Confirmation bias then goes looking for reasons and the whole boys not doing well in school is all you need. I note that outside Reddit, it is usually assumed that boys are "failing at school" because they just can't cut it. They aren't a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 09:21 PM
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I'm an older man. One thing I've noticed is the very negative shift in perception of men as being competent. I think the bias previously was that men were much more competent than women overall. Now, I'd say the opposite is true, and growing more so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/20 06:59 PM
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That gets a pass given the movie is close to my 💓. To me it's important and asked some health in that this isn't a common theme in other movies.
/r/MensRights13/04/20 03:25 AM
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I don't remember seeing a joke in a film about not dropping the soap. Can you name a few? We used to joke about that as young men but that was among my friends and I and meant to be a horrible thing that might happen.
/r/MensRights12/04/20 11:29 PM
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Sounds like you aren't torn on it at all. And I agree, you shouldn't be. Toxic masculinity as a term is gender shaming in intent, despite some hiding behind a wish to appear to show intellectual rigour.
/r/MensRights11/04/20 11:49 PM
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Those studies don't include some other obvious additional reasons for the gap. What they do do is establish a much lower maximum.
/r/MensRights10/04/20 02:07 PM
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I'm too lazy to go thru his claims. Thanks for doing some initial work on it. Hopefully others have a look as well.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 06:47 PM
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I think you are making an important point. While we don't delete comments that go against the narrative here we are much more interested in stories and arguments that suit our collective interest. I am glad op posted this summary though. It's good to know how the other echo chambers are behaving. I note that you are at 4 points as I write this so we do value a range of opinions here which those other chambers generally don't.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 06:43 PM
1

I think your definition of patriarchy is quite different from most.
/r/MensRights09/04/20 03:39 AM
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I watched the same thing unfold after the Christchurch shootings a year ago. 52 people shot, vast majority of them men. Majority of migrant Muslims are men. The government response was to ensure that the families of those directly affected were cared for, asking with special recognition of the women generally not being able to get out and make a living. I'm very supportive of that happening for the families, and expect that is normal among us. But no focus was put on the Men as a gender. I've he…
/r/MensRights09/04/20 12:10 AM
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My 12 year old son said that to me the other day despite my wife and I never exposing him to the message. Never hit a girl. I expect he got it from school. I suspect there is a general heuristic in us about not hitting people that are much weaker than us. Then gender slips in on top and displaces that; both of these not being a conscious choice.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 11:54 PM
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Well, I'm not making that point. I don't expect empathy from feminists for men being cut out of the loop. Not in general.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 11:44 PM
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I think arguing that way validates their construct of patriarchy. It also misses the next step if you do agree there is a patriarchy. Even if you agree with them, that leaves the question of how to tear the patriarchy down in their court.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 08:22 PM
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To be fair, they could be seen as pointing out that women are also out there doing the important dangerous job. Thrtu don't often have a chance to say this, so it must feel quite exciting.
/r/MensRights08/04/20 07:45 PM
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Submission Statement: the podcast covering gendered aspects of the virus starts about 4 minutes in. They get a number of digs in blaming men wholly for it when they do. Men don't wash their hands as much. Men have more risky behaviour. Men smoke more. We would not frame those behaviors the way they do if it were women or any other group. Then they get into the question of immune difference between the genders.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 07:55 PM
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I think that would be wise for both of them to do given how public it is.
/r/MensRights04/04/20 12:38 AM
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New Zealand his proposed legislation to reduce circumcision. It applies to girls only, with that already being illegal but then wanting to correct a few omissions. Boys aren't under consideration at all for this. I've recently done a campaign writing to the premier Ministries traditionally for this. Ministry of Health. Ministry of Justice. Human Rights Commission. Commissioner for children. Health and Disability Commission. Most replied, saying, blah blah. Thanks for bringing it to our attention…
/r/MensRights04/04/20 12:31 AM
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I can see the case against having physically unnecessary people attending. I'm commenting more on how an argument for our against a position generally has values and caring as part of the calculation. We generally don't value men and their feelings. And do value how women feel. And that distorts arguments that outwardly look rational but in the end become rationales.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 09:29 PM
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Is this the one? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5897124/ Hour do people find it to watch it?
/r/MensRights03/04/20 09:21 PM
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Like you, I doubt we would be excluding a mom. The logic would be that since the couple all live in the same bubble, assumed, the added risk of having him present is minimal. As soon as the is a crisis, we really look to care for women. My country has a huge watch and funding on for DV. And expressed concerns about suicide. Almost all the DV money goes to caring for women as victims, men as perpetrators. None of the suicide focus is on men.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 09:18 PM
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Thanks for saying all that. I'll nitpick about the men not asking for medical help because of their enculturation. There are many reasons men aren't as engaged in health services as women are and if we cared about men as a group we would be addressing those.
/r/MensRights03/04/20 02:17 AM
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Time shifting and compromise are tools of the patriarchy. (Just kidding, teehee)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/20 08:13 PM
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Not much point going to an obvious hate sub unless you want to be exposed to hate.
/r/MensRights30/03/20 04:32 AM
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Oh. I'm on my phone and don't see the icon. Nice to know.
/r/MensRights28/03/20 12:40 AM
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I haven't seen it but easy to imagine.
/r/MensRights27/03/20 09:37 PM
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Nice. Having said that, we could do with a logo like that. Anybody have the skills and capacity to create or innovate the way to one?
/r/MensRights27/03/20 08:44 PM
1

Don't pin that hyper agency of men issue on feminists alone. It is a consistent theme through all political and social paradigm except in men's rights. Same even then I think we have bought into it as well.
/r/MensRights25/03/20 11:07 PM
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I'm 60 and it wasn't about equality when I was young. I don't get the impression that it was about equality with the suffragettes either. I suspect every generation needs to be disillusioned by feminism to understand it, but then it is too late and the next generation comes along.
/r/AntiFeminists24/03/20 08:49 AM
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I don't hear the term much now but if Google is right it grew into a thing about 2 or 3 years ago, briefly spiked about a year ago quite heavily and now seems to be established in the cultural narrative. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=Toxic%20masculinity
/r/MensRights21/03/20 10:35 PM
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The knowledge of gender difference in disease progression and outcomes can affect screening. Our general practices in New Zealand have a target to screen men for cardiovascular disease at 55 years of age, women at 60. I have no other examples.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/20 05:45 PM
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Gee. That's close to the dv intimate partner death rates in reverse. Maybe we should behave the same way, in reverse. Men get all the relevant resources and beds. Women get a pat in the back by their gp and told to soften up. Then heroic and frequent stories will be told in the media about men as they stole and overcome the social oppression. Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights21/03/20 12:11 AM
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Lol. That top comment. If you lived during the civil rights era, would you trust a group known as the "Good Negro Project"?
/r/MensRights21/03/20 12:02 AM
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What is surprising is that we have to build a counter narrative, that men don't have this sitting waiting to come out when any woman puts down men. And women don't have it in their heads that this is the kind of thing they will hear back from a man. Nor have they reflected on it as a significant truth.
/r/MensRights19/03/20 08:50 PM
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But they want it both ways. Reality shouldn't be a barrier!
/r/MensRights19/03/20 08:41 PM
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I know. First thing I thought of.
/r/MensRights19/03/20 09:56 AM
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I was responding to the comment above mine where he says "There is no sympathy for men in marriage".
/r/MensRights18/03/20 04:51 PM
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I know lots of marriages where the woman is sympathetic to their man. And vice versa. That kind of black and white thinking is harmful to you and embarrassing for this sub.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:18 AM
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Nice that he is getting some love. After the Christchurch earthquakes quite a few people were talking with gratitude toward men in general for their practical skills and sacrifice.
/r/MensRights18/03/20 07:08 AM
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I'm surprised that they had such rigor with their pay scale. I don't present any evidence on this, so could be totally wrong. But my experience as a new grad in 86 was that women engineers got snapped up by employers. And those employers they were applying to were the higher paying ones at the time. So the info you supply and the info I supply would still result in women engineers earning more.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 05:27 PM
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They have an easier time getting hired these days. ... With that being with the better companies paying higher wages. I graduated in 86 in mech eng and it was pretty obvious that was the case then. Anecdotally it's the same now.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 05:23 PM
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It is a joke but the joke punchline is a lie. To be funny, it has to be the truth.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 08:15 AM
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I can't speak for the rest of the roles but I expect female engineers are paid a premium.
/r/MensRights17/03/20 08:13 AM
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That women are the center of the home logic doesn't feel sexist to some. I used our human rights legislation to force the local health board to allow men on a woman only health course. The same logic was used to justify the sexism, women are the center of the home and so we prioritise them to affect the whole system more. By definition the response in both cases is sexist. The human rights aspect of this post is more alarming when you consider that the un is the framer of global human rights. So…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/20 06:24 PM
1

I hadn't heard of it but here it is as a treat .
/r/MensRights16/03/20 01:47 PM
1

I didn't find it funny so much as old style, Boomer humour. I'm a Boomer so maybe that reflects my attitude. I have a good relationship with the person that owns the case and she would be mortified if she thought I was offended by it. And would remove it.
/r/MensRights13/03/20 08:50 PM
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Lol
/r/MensRights13/03/20 04:29 AM
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Thanks for the correction.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/20 04:29 AM
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It is quite a sexist sign but not something I take issue with. Humour is so important in terms of talking truth and the last thing I want to do is create a humorless dishonest world.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 11:57 PM
1

P hacking is very much about searching thru your data to find any correlations that might be interesting beyond the original premise. I don't know if by definition this is p hacking though as I'm not doing science. There were other comments on this post explaining the issue from that perspective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/20 11:41 PM
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To be fair, it is considered bad science to focus on data outside your initial premise. That is called p hacking. It is fine to mention those extraneous correlations. I don't science myself, just know some of the rules.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/20 08:28 PM
0

It's a no win situation that one.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:59 AM
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So much of the stereotyping of men is simple projection by immature women. I suspect that few people challenge that thinking so they don't grow up.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:58 AM
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I'm a relatively short guy and cringe at the idea of complaining about it, or noting it, or talking about it. I have definitely been overlooked for various privileges. Unconsciously I expect, but had real impact on my career development. I learned I'll never be noticed by a woman in a bar and it hasn't happened either. I just don't bother. I'm a couple of inches shorter than average is all.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:52 AM
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Those bar graph shouldn't have the bulk of the bottom of them cut away. The difference would be more visually accurate then. I don't know who created that for you but it's considered extremely misrepresentative in science circles to use a bar graph that way.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:45 AM
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My wife did test lab work for a while. Said they couldn't get women to participate when they did try. There are other reasons for not going with women as the initial target, though I never got a good handle on that.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:38 AM
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The logic is that women are killed because men hate women. Men get killed, but not because men hate men. That is the argument some make. I have no idea why it seems coherent to them.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 08:29 AM
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Remarkable. So much harm done to him and the girls, now women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/20 09:21 PM
1

Lol, yeah. We have a men's rights effort going on as well, with a small conference each year. We all try.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 07:52 AM
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We did look into setting up a national men's centre to support others to develop but pulled back. Too much discord along the few other players to create a holistic group for now. We are expanding in this region still so no need to think bigger. We were counseling 90 men per week 2 years ago and are at 180 now. It all takes time to grow. I'll keep focused on this and advocating for national support for men's services in the interim. I forget the autocorrect error, sorry.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 04:27 AM
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Wow. That sounds extremely difficult to live with. There is a sub called /supportfortheaccused that might give you more substantial informed support.
/r/MensRights11/03/20 03:13 AM
1

Oops. Wish it was that much fun. Corrected
/r/MensRights11/03/20 02:29 AM
1

We have a range of charitable funding sources that we dip into. Banks sold in the 80s by the government had their proceeds put into a trust, and give out their surplus. Lottery pays out to charities. Gaming machines. We have a government contract to take care of male survivors of sexual abuse. We also generate a significant amount of client income via our counseling service. Edited, thanks to the naughty prompt
/r/MensRights11/03/20 02:22 AM
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New Zealand. Men's advocates rarely know just how much we have been cut out of the loop when it comes to social and healthcare services. I've been doing this for just over a decade and built an insider knowledge of those systems and how they directly support and prioritise women despite men having compelling justification for focus. If my agency had been going for 30 years, like the local women's center has been, we would have directly supported about a third of the men in our region between the…
/r/MensRights10/03/20 11:35 PM
1

Lara stemple gets into gender different responses in her public talks though don't know if she has papers re it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/
/r/MensRights10/03/20 10:31 AM
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Me too. I have no idea why people think men police each other heavily in this way.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 10:19 AM
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Easy to be both.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:53 AM
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If a woman isn’t wife material tho, she’s only good for a pump and dump 🤷🏻‍♂️ I've had lots of female lovers that I wouldn't marry, ever. Still had a warm relationship with them while it lasted in general. What you present is a false dichotomy. Sure you can take that approach. I'd find it pretty unfilling though.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:52 AM
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Tell them that the ratio of men vs women killing themselves is the opposite of that associated with intimate partner murder. Consider the effort made by society to fix the issue in both cases. We target almost all dv victim resources toward women. We don't do anything specific for male suicide. I run a men's centre. We have 5 projects that all are relevant in reducing suicide in our region. These should be being done for men in every country but aren't. I'll note that the other specialist social…
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:49 AM
0

The claim made is that women care about how it will look more than a man does. A man just wants the job done. She cares if it is messy. I don't know how true that is.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:43 AM
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Oh. Might be delayed by the pandemic.
/r/MensRights10/03/20 08:23 AM
3

I knew something would foil our plan. Worst. Patriarchy. Ever!
/r/MensRights10/03/20 12:50 AM
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It would be nice to have a big crowd of guys out doing the same thing for men in imd in November.
/r/MensRights09/03/20 09:46 PM
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Thus, female candidates are likely to be substantially better workers than they appear on paper, in comparison to their male counterparts. I expect that boys coming out of University settings will look worse on paper due to the marking bias they experience against them. That also may say something about their grit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/20 07:00 PM
1

Much better than my suggestion.
/r/MensRights09/03/20 08:04 AM
1

Amazing coincidence.
/r/MensRights09/03/20 03:59 AM
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I subscribe to all the men issues related subs with the intention of learning a large number of views. I gave up on menslib. I just feel myself cringe too many times. I thought it possibly harmful for me to understand their thinking after a while.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 10:15 PM
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If we really lived in a patriarchy or even cared about men we would have support services for them at critical times. We don't. Support services for dads in the early years, or after a breakup. Targeted counseling services. Male survivor of sexual abuse support services, peer based. Men living with ptsd. Male victims of DV. Men's sheds. These are all obvious ways to support men. Yet rarely do they exist.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 10:09 PM
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Also known as the work gap.
/r/MensRights08/03/20 10:00 PM
1

Can you post the link to make a complaint please?
/r/MensRights08/03/20 05:20 PM
3

I suspect just having 2 parents involved means that an escalation is intervened on. We can't really point to women as the main perpetrators without noting they are the main carers. Doesn't let them off the hook of course.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 11:43 PM
2

Didn't read it either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 07:11 PM
11

That leaves me wondering how many kids lives were saved by having contact with the Dad when claims of abuse exist. Probably much more than 50.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/20 07:02 PM
1

I had that sorry told on this sub. I think it was told as an origin story for the term.
/r/MensRights05/03/20 09:06 AM
4

My wife wanted a second child with me but I had a clear no in my own mind. We talked genuinely about it, and she felt sad that I didn't want to go there. She agreed intellectually with my arguments but felt like she wanted another anyway. I eventually went and got a vasectomy. She grieved it for a little while and I comforted her. Soon after it was a non issue. All the way thru, neither of us was concerned that the other would leave us. It's sad to think you don't feel that way, that she may lea…
/r/MensRights05/03/20 08:56 AM
2

It's a sideways way of blaming men.
/r/MensRights03/03/20 09:32 AM
6

I tell some people in a feminist, in the same school as you, and that I largely argue for men's rights. Not often, but enough to screw people around.
/r/MensRights03/03/20 04:51 AM
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My motivation as a male for not choosing a woman dominated field was that I thought I would need to be the main provider for a family if I had one. So, I became an engineer. After 20 years and retiring from it, I went back and became a social worker.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 08:59 AM
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Appalling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/20 08:57 AM
1

There were other sources. But I was surprised at how little work appeared to have been done. That is quite a substantial death rate and if it is strongly correlated with smoking or another cause we can take action on, then we should be getting that message out. I'm unlike the others responding. I think if this were women dying at almost twice the rate of men, this women related subs and researchers as a body would be prioritising identifying it and finding ways to address it.
/r/MensRights02/03/20 05:39 AM
2

I would expect it hand washing were a big issue then men would have a higher infection rate than women. They are about equal. Now smoking and death, that makes a lot of sense. None of us are health specialists but smoking compounds lung issue problems. Anyway, good idea to stop smoking with this being another one.
/r/MensRights02/03/20 12:24 AM
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Laughable. It's sad to think someone thought that was an adequate reply. Can you press it further by going up the ladder? I mean, write to more senior staff?
/r/MensRights01/03/20 11:34 PM
1

I ask about the gender aspect of it because of this sub being about men's rights. So you are pointing out that hr weren't throwing her a pussy pass or something like that?
/r/MensRights29/02/20 11:33 PM
1

Nasty. Can you comment on the gender aspect of this? I can't imagine a dude doing that behavior but I expect it is possible.
/r/MensRights29/02/20 11:19 PM
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Made to penetrate, such a euphemism. I know not every person in that situation suffers scars for life but there should be a better term for that. Sorry it happened to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/20 09:46 AM
3

I'd like to say that I think we have come a long way toward recognising men's rights. But to be fair, I can't really point to anything to prove this. I don't think there is an increase in care services for men, or research into men's well being. I think Reddit had come s long way in understanding the issues, so that has been a success. But broader society? Not so much. Sad really. I haven't gotten up on us though.
/r/MensRights25/02/20 12:41 AM
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Women decide most of the larger decisions involving housing as well. House size and features. And redecorating. And new carpet and drapes. I guess I should have sources for those claims and didn't bother this time. I've seen references to them but correct me if I'm wrong on any of them.
/r/MensRights24/02/20 08:18 PM
1

Agreed.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 07:39 PM
1

Interesting. It used to be assumed that girls need girls schools because boys got first priority in learning by having more teacher focus. That explained the gendered differences. Now I'd argue boys would be better off in boys schools. So much sexism against boys now. I have a12 year old son and he knows it is real.
/r/MensRights21/02/20 07:37 PM
9

Hypo agency vs hyper agency. Explains so much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/20 06:56 PM
3

That rings of "all lives matter" in the ears of the sjw.
/r/MensRights19/02/20 03:19 AM
1

It's what narcissistic people do.
/r/MensRights19/02/20 03:14 AM
1

Very much a next step, a boycott of the movie.
/r/MensRights19/02/20 03:13 AM
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And Bowel cancer is more common in men with it being a 60 40 split. Something that should receive more focus in serving men's health.
/r/MensRights19/02/20 03:12 AM
1

Years of practice.
/r/MensRights18/02/20 09:22 AM
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Nice. I think you should note that, in only focusing on make victims of intimate partner violence, you have excluded the discussion of a good half of the male dv victim experience. We mra fall into this team a lot when advocating for victim services especially. There is significant harm done to men in the other areas, with this being larger than that experienced by women. Father's fighting sons and daughters to protect the mother is a common theme. Ex partners killing and attacking new partners.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 11:13 PM
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There is a Maori expression along the lines of harsh words last longer than bruises. Usually when physical assault is being used, the words and psychological abuse came first.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 11:10 PM
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Lol. Take your upvote. You earned it.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 10:58 PM
2

I thought it was male doctors prescribing vibrators for women. Inventing then as well.
/r/MensRights15/02/20 10:47 PM
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Let's do the old gender swap test. If hospitals regularly mixed up babies in the hospital because some nurses were sloppy and we couldn't fix that, would we be doing maternity tests?
/r/MensRights15/02/20 01:36 AM
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Wow. Lots of... reasons.
/r/MensRights15/02/20 01:33 AM
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Oh. I need some sources for that. Highest I've heard was one industrial them being about 15 percent, about one in six. Others claiming 2 percent. Those higher numbers are for people that actually get a paternity test done. My expectation is that most of those already suspect paternity issues, so you can't extend this across the whole population. Got a source?
/r/MensRights15/02/20 01:28 AM
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Smoking rates is a very big factor here I expect. To lazy to source but almost all Chinese men smoke and only half of Chinese women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/20 07:15 PM
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The article says older men are most affected. I expect there are more older women than older men to start with given mortality ratios. Very likely smoking is a big driver. Almost all men in China smoke, and half of women of my gossip chain is accurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/20 07:13 PM
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Submission Statement: I'm assuming the victims were pretty much all dudes, it being wrestling. Didn't get a mention. Am I being oversensitive here?
/r/MensRights13/02/20 04:09 PM
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My guess is that is the minority of the suicides. Those are the minority of dv murders as far as I know, though very high profile. Good point though. I wonder what that number is.
/r/MensRights13/02/20 04:20 AM
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Abstract: An article in the NIJ Journal (Websdale, 2003) notes that domestic violence can provoke suicide. The 2003 Massachusetts Domestic Violence Homicide Report (Lauby et al, 2006) notes that suicide can be attributed to domestic violence incidents. Utah Domestic Violence Related Deaths 2006 (Utah Domestic Violence Council, 2006) notes that the majority of domestic violence‐related suicides are not covered in their report. The report Domestic Violence Fatalities (2005) (Utah Department of Hea…
/r/MensRights13/02/20 03:42 AM
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Sure. If women filled most of the other positions of power at that time. Which they didn't.
/r/MensRights13/02/20 03:37 AM
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How about this definition? Matriarchy Matriarchy is a social system in which females (most notably in mammals) hold the primary power positions in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property. While those definitions apply in general English, definitions specific to the disciplines of anthropology and feminism differ in some respects. Most anthropologists hold that there are no known anthropological societies that are unambiguously matriarchal, but som…
/r/MensRights13/02/20 01:44 AM
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While that was a queen, her strength came from men's commitment and prowess at war. Yes she lead them but is that matriarchal?
/r/MensRights12/02/20 09:03 PM
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I'm sorry you are exposed to people that think like that. I don't think any among my friends would look at the situation in such an insane way.
/r/MensRights11/02/20 04:39 PM
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I doubt you would see real equality. You might find some real people though, and that is what we wish for you.
/r/MensRights11/02/20 07:51 AM
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Good on you for trying and doing such a thorough job. I've only ever managed to do light reading to understand feminism and every time I walk away very impressed. I believe most people that call themselves feminist have done less thinking about the theory than I have. Much like the atheist theist situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 06:44 PM
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I suspect getting those that only focus on historic grievances to focus on the change that has happened would be very helpful. It probably improved the mental health of the Advocate some.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:59 PM
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I agree. We need headlines and noise as well as reasoned dialog. IRA and Sein Fein. I suspect men have lacked for jock strap burners to get our needs on the public agenda. It just occurred to me that those anti circumcising protests are just this.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:52 PM
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I'm all for personal responsibility and nudging people toward healthier mindsets. It's also important to recognise that there are some situations where suicide becomes a very attractive option due to extreme social and other pressures. I was at a training morning last week with a well known suicide researcher for my country. I brought up the issue that a good half the men having suicidal thoughts in my work wouldn't have symptoms that look like a mental health condition. She is near retirement a…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:48 PM
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It's good to have research to prove it but yes. Bleeding obvious.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:37 PM
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Good points. I've had a few feminists use the term toxic masculinity I'm front of me in a way intended to provoke, not engage. I want us to not make the same mistake in advocating for men.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 09:39 AM
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I think they were making the case that it triggered the men to feel resentful. Like they were blamed for the previous sexism against women and with that triggered in them they were less concerned about current issues women face. They were making the case that to be an advocate, whining about the past is self defeating if you want to motivate people to engage in your cause. As an mra, I have found something similar when I try to engage people. It's important if I'm talking about existing men's is…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 08:19 AM
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I would qualify that: young, unemployed men without the talent and socioeconomic background to attend university. I think well educated men are doing just fine; in fact, the economy is competing for their attention. My son would for the criteria for being on the pathway of educated. He is 12 and fairly bright. He has been telling me about sexism he experiences at school. Teachers favoring girls in various ways. He isn't focused on marks yet but I expect he is being marked harder than a girl woul…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 06:18 AM
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If you did an audit of support services in your region you would find that most serve only women or predominantly serve women. Those are state and government funded. Offer focused services for men and they come. I run just such a service. We are the third largest counseling service in our city, with one of the others being through government medical services. Men want services that say clearly they are about men. An obvious doorway. On this sub, we don't yet think that if we build those services…
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:45 AM
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While that self talk is important, half of men killing themselves don't have any mental health issues. They just want to die, largely because of their quality of life.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:40 AM
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There is some truth in what you say. I run a men's centre, with that being mostly counseling and we have a large and growing client base. My guess is male focused services thrive if they are supported. And men use them.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:39 AM
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Cool. That is just the kind of case law that scares authorities.. Not a lawyer, or American, but good luck to him.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 05:34 AM
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What does this particular research show us about advocating for men? One message I took was that in advocating for men it is important to acknowledge the gains so far as well as neglect.
/r/MensRights07/02/20 12:42 AM
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DM sent!
/r/MensRights05/02/20 04:52 PM
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Totally. I set up and have run a men's support service for the past 12 years and she has been right behind me the whole way. We've both learned a lot from my work. I was surprised when she really went to bat for men on a few issues.
/r/MensRights05/02/20 08:30 AM
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I'm working with a few guys to raise the profile of male circumcisions so we can get the law changed. That and running international men's day in NZ each November. Want to help out?
/r/MensRights05/02/20 08:18 AM
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Thanks for caring. And these laws are having lasting impact.
/r/MensRights05/02/20 08:16 AM
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You are the person that introduced emotional openness as a concept. They person you replied to wasnt focused on that. Regardless, I think you don't understand something. While it's the fashion to be more overt with spoken tender emotions, that doesn't mean those weren't largely felt and transmitted in the past to the same degree or possibly more.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 10:12 PM
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The blue collar guys I know seem to go from rough play to tender very adroitly. I'm almost 60 now and have seen the pattern from when I worked in factories 45 years ago. I wonder if you have an inaccurate stereotype in your head of how mens culture was.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 09:52 AM
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While I don't learn as much as a used to on this sub I need reminders and get them. I suspect that when I do share something I've learned from this forum I do it more confidently because the talking points have really embedded themselves.
/r/MensRights03/02/20 09:27 AM
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I can imagine the defense counsel explain that while the defendant had a physical penis and it inserted in whatever context to the other person's vagina it actually isn't a penis. It's a vagina. And you can't insert a vagina into a vagina. And if you could it isn't illegal.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 09:55 PM
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It must be awfully confusing to live with such highly contradictory concepts. I expect it is just a lot easier if you don't care about men at all. Or just plain hate them. Makes it a lot easier I bet.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 09:00 PM
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I guess some of you want to talk about Greta. Seems weird to me. I posted this link to focus on the good the men are doing. It seems toxic to me to bother bringing your baggage forward about her.
/r/MensRights29/01/20 05:43 AM
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Oh. That is alarming. Reminds me of that old attitude, kill them all and let God figure out which are his.
/r/MensRights29/01/20 05:40 AM
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I don't mind Thunberg getting a lot of attention. We do deserve a good telling off. Anyway, we are sending these guys some love and that it the reason I posted this.
/r/MensRights29/01/20 04:30 AM
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Wow. Throwing men under the bus is a way of life for some people. Mind digging that up story up for us?
/r/MensRights29/01/20 04:28 AM
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They definitely deserve a lot of love.
/r/MensRights29/01/20 04:27 AM
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Yikes! War to make peace in our time.
/r/MensRights28/01/20 11:10 PM
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I think creating an environment of fear for men on campus is also a desired outcome.
/r/MensRights28/01/20 06:21 PM
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Submission Statement: I thought showing the good men do in the world should be recognised.
/r/MensRights28/01/20 06:10 PM
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Damn. I really hope guys are warning each other in that region.
/r/MensRights27/01/20 08:53 AM
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Performance is important but I think it is fine to slag them now. Any group that is acting in a way that excludes others due to their gender is worthy of a beating up in a democracy.
/r/MensRights27/01/20 12:54 AM
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While they do it, it isn't required in any of the holy texts. It's just a cultural practice. Look it up and you will find fairly convincing arguments that it isn't required under your religion it choice.
/r/MensRights21/01/20 09:16 PM
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While The people directly affected by male suicide are beside themselves with grief, that doesn't protect men from criticism as a gender. We are still blamed for it but many. Unlike any other group. Worst. Patriarchy. Ever.
/r/MensRights21/01/20 08:03 PM
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Can you name a religion that requires a circumcision? When I went looking I found that none of the Abrahamic religions require this for you to be a bone fide adherent. It's not like they inspect you when you enter a church, synagogue or mosque.
/r/MensRights21/01/20 08:00 PM
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I don't know what had given feminism such a hold on society, but I expect marches like these do have their effect. Imagine having comparable men's marches over the decades as a counterfactual. I doubt we would be as neglected as we have been if this had occurred.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 08:57 PM
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I don't particularly blame my parents given it was a cultural norm. I am pissed off at society. And I find that telling people 30 boys are having the end of their dick cut off today in my country is very compelling. A great way to make the case that we don't care very much about men.
/r/MensRights19/01/20 06:48 PM
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I was so shocked when she said that I honestly didn't know what to say. I still don't. Sure I have come up with a few responses that are better than nothing. I get some satisfaction out of the story though. For me, I don't meet many overt hard core feminists in real life. She is one. It's nice to have a stereotype confirmed like that so I can hate "them".
/r/MensRights19/01/20 01:08 AM
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Sure. Some say that to me. Still, play swap the gender and laws would be corrected. I note that there is some action to fill gaps in the circumcision of girls in NZ. I don't know what those gaps are but had a press release about this from some women mps. Still fully legal to do boys. And when I write to the human rights commission, commissioner for children, Justice minister and minister is health about it being still legal to do boys there is a shrug.
/r/MensRights19/01/20 01:01 AM
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Gulp.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 08:08 PM
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Thanks. That is the first time I've had someone say that. It actually feels quite good. I feel like I am dumb to finally care about this now that I'm late 50s. And the last few years I've been discussing it with others. I had a feminist at my table last year talking about women's issues. The one she was discussing was a real one. At an appropriate break I said I wanted to talk about men's issues for a moment. She asked what that might be, genuinely. I said I'm pissed off that someone cut the end…
/r/MensRights18/01/20 08:06 PM
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Call me a wimp but I couldn't read your full comment when it got into the details. I'm so pissed that someone thought it fine to cut the end of my dick off when I was a baby.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:57 PM
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I'm an older man now but in my 20s when I came across a couple of women that were interested in me but had kids I backed away swiftly despite finding them attractive. It wasn't the kids as such. It was the fact that they were a mom and mom was still a taboo place for me sexually. I suspect that attitude is common though I've not had other men disclose it to me. It could explain why MILF porn and all the incest porn emerged around the same time. Though i could be wrong about the porn thing.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:47 PM
1

Discrete breast feeding and urinating? I guess I don't see that as public nudity. Sure, waving your penis or breasts around is different.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:42 PM
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And arguably it shouldn't be a crime.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:35 PM
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Oh. Me and my friends used to pull the brastrap of a girl in school. We were 13 or so. I think she liked the attention, but also didn't like it. I wonder how she thinks of it now. Edit: sure. In hindsight it was wrong. At the time, it was just kids mucking around.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:11 PM
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Where I live, women get free cosmetic work done on their breasts after removal due to cancer. The argument, a reasonable one, is that their sexual health is impacted. Men that have prostates removed due to cancer and experience impotence have to find their own cash to pay for Viagra. So they can sexually function.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 07:08 PM
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Lol. Just expressing her strong self I guess.
/r/MensRights16/01/20 09:16 AM
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The upside could be that it makes Bernie more palatable to the right. And men in general. Not the claim itself but the fact that feminists of some stripes are angry at him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/20 10:02 PM
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I run a counseling service for men and more than half our team are women. I think they are very self selecting though, in that they have a genuine interest in carrying for men in particular. I'd send my son to these women. We recently discussed feminism as a group after I said something on line that upset a local feminist editor. The girls on my team ripped into feminism in a very harsh way. I was surprised, thinking they might have bought into it at least a little.
/r/MensRights15/01/20 08:36 AM
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Most errors by women's advocates are simple projections of how women act.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 10:31 PM
3

I know. When I play swap the gender and have a man write it in my head it looks very dysfunctional. My women friends had been commenting about it on Facebook and asked themselves what the reciprocal mens version would look like. They really feel validated by the article. I told them no man would write an article like that. Truth is, I think it would look like an incel if they did.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 10:25 PM
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She does seem to be lacking in that awareness.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 05:50 PM
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Submission Statement While this is about women, I thought that since the author are giving men advice on how to have a relationship with a strong woman, it might be relevant to speak about this issue from a man's perspective. Edit: I was thinking along the lines of "swap the gender". What would it look like if a man wrote an article like this? How would it be different?
/r/MensRights14/01/20 04:43 PM
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To be fair, that woman could be totally on our trip.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 03:49 AM
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Upvote to her for owning it.
/r/MensRights14/01/20 03:47 AM
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Appalling. I'll point out that half the men that kill themselves don't have a mental health condition. Pain, grief, hopelessness are the drivers. But they wouldn't be diagnosed as depressed. This distinction matters. We should be more aware of it on this sub.
/r/MensRights13/01/20 05:24 PM
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I've had to deal with a false claim against me recently. It's incredibly challenging if done in a private context. Done on a highly public one, with peers and strangers directly condemning you, it would be even more challenging. Sure he shouldn't have taken it to heart, but it is normal to do so.
/r/MensRights12/01/20 12:03 AM
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He didn't assume their burdens. I guess he could have quit his role, but likely he had no idea that he could be targeted this way.
/r/MensRights11/01/20 11:51 PM
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Wow. What a tragic tale. The poor guy looks like he did what he was told to do, following the process. He himself was never of concern as a claimed perpetrator. And got grilled in the eye of public opinion. I guess that always happens when you take on a leadership role. But when sexual assault claims are in the picture, that burden can be incredible. Anyone letting a group has to be aware of how swiftly something like this can happen.
/r/MensRights11/01/20 08:23 PM
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I'm in New Zealand and run a support service for men. I've advocated for the last decade for men to also receive support when they are victims of dv. I've never seen anything being done for or against men having care in that context by a group that could be said to be feminist. But the system, even our small one, is much more complex than that. I commissioned the only research into male victims of dv in our country then circulated it thru our networks. The national website about domestic violenc…
/r/MensRights11/01/20 12:37 AM
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I wonder if a woman would bring up the issue of earning more than him during conflicts as a point of resentment. Guys would be very unlikely to do so is my guess but I've been surprised to see what buttons women will press.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/20 04:15 PM
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Take them up on it. Have a thank you party for all those feminists that are doing men's rights for us on international men's day. Invite those saying this together, and get them to tell stories about the marvelous work done!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/20 05:58 PM
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Wow. We have similar sexist legislation in New Zealand in regards to violence where men have a special offense with higher penalties and a longer period after which charges can be pressed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/20 05:51 PM
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R/thathappened
/r/MensRights03/01/20 04:59 AM
1

I think that approach is there most effective one as it cuts thru many other aspects of gender bigotry. It's probably most effective against those that are sjw types. Though they can often just double down in some other way I expect.
/r/MensRights01/01/20 09:39 PM
1

That's a great point that I hadn't thought about before.
/r/MensRights01/01/20 09:36 PM
1

The focus is currently on women’s rights because of things like violence against women being overwhelmingly committed by men, and women still playing social and economic catch-up from historical oppression, etc., while men have always held positions of power. Glass ceiling and all that. I'll try to be kind here. You assume women have had it worse than men in the past. That assumption is fairly naive for this sub and you might want to become a bit more conscious about that belief.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 12:40 AM
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I haven't watched this one yet but JP really nails feminism.
/r/MensRights30/12/19 12:33 AM
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I think you are on to something. That wish to find a villain is a profound one. Noble on the outside. Toxic when misdirected.
/r/MensRights28/12/19 10:20 PM
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It could be. If so, those men could think of it as another way that patriarchy hurts men. 😀 I was sympathetic to feminism for a number of years as a young man, assuming it really was about gender equality. I never went full hog, but a few friends did. Anyway, putting it down wholly to trying to get laid is very dismissive of those doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. I expect it is helpful to wake up some this way, but others need a softer and engaging approach.
/r/MensRights28/12/19 06:59 PM
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I know a number of male feminists that are older and well past any aim to get laid. I genuinely don't understand their motivation but am not trusted enough by them to figure it out. They genuinely are attached to feminist concepts like patriarchy.
/r/MensRights28/12/19 04:53 PM
9

Her name looks like "your alibi".
/r/MensRights21/12/19 08:33 PM
1

I'm a social worker but not in America. Bloody right they would be worked over but their agency. I'd be very surprised if they weren't fired. Their professional body would also likely kick them out. Though again I don't know America. Probably not illegal though I don't know American laws.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 04:55 AM
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I expect a lot of the women that behave this way want it back. And vice versa. Could be we don't expect every woman to be the same.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 04:52 AM
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The image of a bunch of men in a stag night, going to a lesbian bar and harassing some women just came to mind. I expect that would be in the news next day, with police involved and charges laid.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 04:47 AM
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Do post that here if you haven't already.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 04:36 AM
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the Patriarchy and fragile masculinity are what brought us out of caves. Oh the humanity!
/r/MensRights19/12/19 03:00 AM
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It turns into a purity test I expect. Now that you are one of us you have to prove it by committing to this range of inane beliefs. And who are you to question given the many books written and much research confirming what we all know.
/r/MensRights19/12/19 01:03 AM
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I have a hard time caring about a post like this. All people are hypocrites to some degree, with some being much worse. But comparing opinions across a group and expecting it to be an integrated one seems pretty daft to me. It's very common in this sub, so not picking on you in particular.
/r/MensRights17/12/19 08:28 PM
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I like these closing comments. The implications of widespread mental ill-health might include shortages of work, unaffordability of housing and healthcare, the impending heat-death of the planet, a lack of meaningful political representation, failing trust in social institutions and the increasing alienation of people from each other and themselves. But once you place the cause of an individual’s woes inside their body, inside their mind, you remove the focus from the society in which that perso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/19 06:12 PM
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Well, now that we've put that behind us...
/r/MensRights16/12/19 02:07 AM
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Much like atheists often know more about a religion than those in the fold, MRAs appear to often have a good grasp of feminism.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 12:20 AM
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Similar to my experience. I read a book like that and it reminds me of a religion. It requires you to accept unsubstantiated claims in large dollops.
/r/MensRights16/12/19 12:18 AM
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Lol. I thought it sounded like Flood. He came to speak to a family violence network in my country and the guy left me feeling very creeped out.
/r/MensRights14/12/19 06:32 PM
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I set up a support service for men in my region and have run it for 11 years. Been with my wife 14 years. She isn't a person that thinks about gender issues in general. And while I've been doing a personal journey in that regard she has been very understanding and accepting of it all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/19 01:49 AM
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The school system fails with boys, and boys get blamed for it.
/r/MensRights13/12/19 11:37 PM
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You go for it dude. Pull on your corner of the blanket. I've managed to work a balance with my wife. Accepting that she doesn't feel a need to appreciate me for providing a good portion of our family income. She still loves me. I point out the lack of awareness occasionally, and we get on with life. Good luck working it through.
/r/MensRights11/12/19 11:43 PM
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I don't think the West is any different from the rest of the world.
/r/MensRights11/12/19 11:24 PM
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Those that you about mansplaining are just projecting their own behavior on to those that they hate.
/r/MensRights07/12/19 05:48 AM
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So true. And no reason you couldn't use toxic masculinity to describe similar shitty behaviour by women. Women have masculinity as well. Using a term like tm is just a way to say "I hate men" without saying it out loud and looking like a bigot.
/r/MensRights07/12/19 02:33 AM
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I enjoyed the read thanks and it was good to do a deeper dive into that area than I have in the past. They didn't say anything about women being smarter than men on average, mean. Can you point me to it? There is this one quote but not about the average. Summers confined his comments to "the issue of women's representation in tenured positions in science and engineering at top universities and research institutions" remarking that "It does appear that on many, many different human attributes - h…
/r/MensRights06/12/19 08:06 PM
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I understand your point and included a nod to that in the op. We definitely aren't seeing men right after it happened which is one aspect to the selection bias. It could be shame is a dominant emotion at that time. It could be the men themselves would say they feel or felt shame if I asked. I generally don't go into the feelings aspect, though am supportive. The counselor gets into that with the client if they want that. It is an interesting cross section of men in this situation.
/r/MensRights06/12/19 06:33 PM
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Thanks. I'm not so confident in Twitter but I did reach out to her. I'll nudge someone else I know.
/r/MensRights06/12/19 05:28 PM
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I've never seen that claim about averages made. Can you throw me a link?
/r/MensRights06/12/19 05:19 PM
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I have the occasional person coming to me asking for participants. We get the men for them easy enough. I've tried to get them to alter their research design a bit and even that is hard. They often come in with some feminist informed approach, given they are coming from university. I am not invited in in the early stages of the design, never mind the core target. It should be nothing about us without us. But somehow the ethics requirements don't require that engagement. Or they don't require it …
/r/MensRights06/12/19 08:43 AM
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I get the sentiment through challenge the mostly men framing. I suspect we have gone from the prevalent belief that men are smarter than women to the belief that women are smarter than men in the last 50 years. I expect neither position is true.
/r/MensRights06/12/19 12:55 AM
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I'm sure this is not a complete cross section of those experiencing dv. The interesting aspect is that the men are coming because of the associated symptoms. They feel depressed. They have anxiety issues. Their boss told them to come because they aren't focusing at work. Their alcohol and drug use became a problem when it didn't used to be. Their early sexual abuse of bothering them. These guys look and engage like normal guys. They don't across as the sensitive type more than population average…
/r/MensRights06/12/19 12:06 AM
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I think that is the projection part of it. "I unconsciously think he should feel or would feel ashamed". If you haven't thought about how projection works yet I encourage you to go read about it.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 11:59 PM
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Well to me, shame would be when they feel at fault. The low self esteem shows as more a position of powerlessness, with the feeling being futility. Like the situation sucks but they can't do anything. Do those seem close together to you?
/r/MensRights05/12/19 11:57 PM
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I've seen a lot of people comment to explain that IMD is not given a doodle because they only do days recognised but the UN. Is rubber boot day one of those days?
/r/MensRights05/12/19 11:46 PM
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I agree. I don't think that shame feeling comes forward nearly as much. Also, having spoken to a number of people working in the field that mostly work with male perpetrators, they say the male victims feel shame. I believe this is mostly driven by their own guilt or projection.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 08:26 PM
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Submission Statement: we talk a lot about in group bias here between women and how it affects men. I thought this gives insight into that effect, as well as how to overcome it. I also wondered if we are developing ingroup bias ourselves and whether that is good or not.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 05:07 PM
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I wonder if the guardian wants to write an article about that pattern...
/r/MensRights05/12/19 04:37 PM
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Was it the BBC that did a similar review and found that men were the ones being underpaid? Could have been another large group as well.
/r/MensRights05/12/19 09:33 AM
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Hopefully in a decade or two this battle will be won. But no one will care. You and I will be like that dude in Rick and Morty that wants to talk about the gear wars.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 05:33 PM
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I hope you are right. I just don't think it will happen and I'm a very optimistic person. This reminds me of how the family court generally treats a dishonest woman Vs how they treat a dishonest man. Or the prison sentence gap. Having said that feminism like any movement will wax and wane. And some movements even disappear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 05:16 PM
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Thanks. It's pretty appalling. I expect when we finally wake up and men are treated fairly as family violence victims that feminism will just move on to whatever their next false claim will be. I hope I am wrong though. It deserves some significant discrediting. And maybe a large number of mea culpas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 04:55 PM
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One thing I learned as a victim in a toxic relationship is that if you aren't receiving 3 compliments or more for every criticism then you are in a toxic relationship. If I was part of a forum criticising a group, I can't imagine it being ok to not having a loving regard toward that group. That is unless the group is men. Then people feel comfortable spending a whole evening dumping on them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 09:01 AM
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Single American women earn 8 percent more than men. They are almost twice as likely to own their own home as a single man. https://fee.org/articles/why-single-women-are-way-more-likely-to-own-a-home-than-single-men/ Is that the gap you were thinking of?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 08:55 AM
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I run a support service for men and have had a large number of people come through wanting to do research on our clients. Even when they have good intentions in working with men, they all have to have a section on feminism and what the findings mean from the perspective. And often the research is something that if I had known what they were putting together I just wouldn't have supported. I've asked that researchers approach us first and ask us what we want researched. Nothing about us without u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 08:45 AM
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There is a new Zealand documentary called Why Am I. They take data from the Otago longitudinal study and present the findings from it, with many of they outcomes having significant effect. I think it is the third episode where they discuss the result of their dv findings. Men and women are as likely to stage a physical assault against a partner was the finding. They then described the challenge of getting that particular research published and were looking for forums to present it in. Note these…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 08:41 AM
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So much academic research that doesn't describe itself as feminist is very much captured by feminist thinking. The number of studies I've seen that conclude men have it better or are the cause of women's suffering is persistent. They usually don't even try other more neutral hypothesis to explain the outcomes. Some speaking with being done in the humanities when gender is involved. And very rarely is the research done for men's well being. Toxic masculinity seemed very popular there. I argue tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 08:28 AM
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