Looking for Perspective!

mikesteane · 2021-11-30T10:21:09+00:00

I suggest you read Ernest Belfort Bax's "The Fraud of Feminism" or "The Legal Subjection of Men". Both these books were published before WW1 and give the lie to the allegations of historical oppression of women onto which feminists are always forced to fall back, when challenged with facts about the modern world. Being out of copyright, it is easy enough to download copies. Do read them and reconsider the assumed past in which women were downtrodden.

iainmf · 2021-11-30T09:17:34+00:00

I have approved this research post assuming OP is at high school.

OP if you are at University let me know.

AndyBrown65 · 2021-11-30T10:45:19+00:00

The biggest problem most sensible people have with feminism is that it is controlled by chauvinists who think they are victims that want free stuff

ThraxWrites · 2021-12-01T17:05:36+00:00

a) My direct experiences with feminism: Sure. (I) General hatred and disdain for me because of my gender (I was considered a 'white male oppressor' at university). (II) Being implicitly barred from running for the university student council because of my race and gender. (III) Being told that the gender sentencing gap was not a problem, and men who are concerned about violations of their rights are 'selfish' for not focusing on helping women at their own expense. I could go on, but you get the idea.
b) My cultural experiences with feminism: (I) Mainstream media publishing articles by feminists such as "Why can't we hate men?", (II) engagement with academics/policy makers such as Lisa Wade, who wrote an enlightening essay which argues that ‘We need to attack masculinity directly. I don’t mean that we should recuperate masculinity — that is, press men to identify with a kinder, gentler version of it — I mean that we should reject the idea that men have a psychic need to distinguish themselves from women in order to feel good about themselves.’ (III) The APA describing traditional masculine traits as a mental disorder that needs to be purged from men.
c) My takeways - feminism is a dominant force in society that hates me for being born male; society largely is tolerant if not promoting of this hatred (Imagine if someone published an article 'Why can't we hate women?' or the APA said 'Femininity is a mental disorder'). In essence, as a traditional man, I have no real place in society, and as such, I don't particularly value society either. I naturally despise feminism, not simply because it hates me for who I am, but also for its similar ideological foundations to hateful ideologies such as Nazism (if you replace 'man' with 'jew' and 'woman' with 'german', a lot of feminist literature starts to read like Mien Kampf).
(2) Well, I think feminism's lack of focus on femininity and motherhood is only going to be detrimental to women in the long run.
(3) Why do you think women are oppressed in modern society?

Final thoughts: I, unlike many feminists, am able to differentiate between feminism as an ideology (which is evil) and feminists as people (who are sometimes malicious, sometimes with good intentions but misguided).

On a broader analysis, I think feminism is one of the two or three things that will cause the total collapse of western civilization in a few decades. It might sound hyperbolic, but it really isn't all things considered. It should be noted as 'collapse' does not mean a mad-max style apocalypse but simply a lack political, cultural, economic and moral force on the world stage. Rome existed continuously after the fall of the Western Roman Empire until today, but not many people realize that, because Rome disappears from the historical record for hundreds of years. Not because no-one lived there, but because it no longer had any real relevance to world affairs. That is what is coming to the West - the roots were laid in the 1900s, it accelerated in the 60s and 70s, and now, post 2016, people are starting to wake up that our societies are in massive decline, culturally, politically and morally. It's far too late, now, of course.

If you want a more in-depth analysis of the paragraph above, I can provide it to you.

reddut_gang · 2021-12-02T00:19:00+00:00

From my perspective, a dominant, unilateral view of gender imbalances is harmful to gender equality, especially when it is responsible for shutting down dissenting voices. My personal experiences with feminists don't matter much in the grand scheme of things, but the amount of nonsensical misinformation I hear get thrown around drives me mad, not because of the misinformation itself but because it creates prejudices against men's rights advocacy in general. I hear statements like "the judicial system favours men," or "systematic misandry doesn't exist," and I can see why they think that. I've said this a lot but if you paint a picture from only one perspective, nobody will know what lies on the other side. If you've only seen the media highlight a rapist walk free, you're going to think rapist men aren't punished enough. Likewise, if you see exclusively women's rights issues whenever the topic of gender equality gets brought up, those two will be synonymous in your head. So when you hear "men's rights," what's the first thing that'll come to mind? "What? Men's rights? What rights don't they have?"

This alone is destructive enough, but it's impossible not to look at the oodles of misandry within the feminist movement. It's shocking how the biggest movement dedicated to end sexism is so sexist itself. Everything from downright disgustingly sexist manifestos to getting discriminatory laws passed, feminism has caused men a lot of tangible harm, particularly the most vulnerable men, like domestic violence victims.

Of course, every movement has its bad apples. Being in the MRM makes me no stranger to this, but it's undeniable the reoccurring pattern of feminists projecting sexism and hypocrisy, and shutting down dissenting voices in rage. Whether it's malicious or just naivety, it doesn't matter, the root is feminism.

What issues related to women's rights and the feminist movement deeply concern you?

The gendering of domestic violence. It's nearly equal, especially when taking into count reciprocal. I understand gendering issues that disproportionately affect one gender over the other (though too often it excludes victims of the opposite sex), but domestic violence is not disproportionate. The gendering of domestic violence makes male victims invisible, preventing them from getting help they need.

What have you always wanted to ask someone from the other side of the Feminist movement?

Honestly, just "did you know?" About a lot of issues. I think the majority of feminists aren't malicious, just misguided and are having their beliefs reinforced by a worldwide echo chamber.

So all in all, I agree with women's rights just as much as I agree with men's rights. But these are my grievances about feminism, and why I think it is harmful to gender equality. I think you'll find that most "anti-feminists" disagree with these aspects of it, and not the women's rights aspect.

Title	Looking for Perspective!
Author	BumblebeeShoddy7524
Upvotes	10
Comments	9
Date	November 30, 2021 4:45 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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