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Modern Dads, working harder . . .

Cuneus_Reverie

June 18, 2013

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http://www.today.com/money/dads-day-can-be-long-hectic-6C10313219

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Title	Modern Dads, working harder . . .
Author	Cuneus_Reverie
Upvotes	0
Comments	10
Date	June 18, 2013 2:54 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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[–]Cuneus_Reverie[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Interesting article, here are the stats broken down.

Women, 1965

Housework : 31 hours
Childcare : 10 hours
Work : 8 hours
Total : 49 hours / week

Women, 2011

Housework : 18 hours
Childcare : 13.5 hours
Work : 21 hours
Total : 52.5 hours / week

Men, 1965

Housework : 4 hours
Childcare : 2.5 hours
Work : 42 hours
Total : 48.5 hours / week

Men, 2011

Housework : 9.8 hours
Childcare : 7.3 hours
Work : 41.4 hours
Total : 58.5 hours / week

I find this very interesting. In 1965, the division of labor for a household was more equally divided, 49 hours for women, 48.5 hours for men. Where as in 2011 it was 52.5 for women and 58.5 for men.

Most men have started doing more around the house, while women have gone back to work.

But this also answers why women make less in the workplace (as brought up from another study a few weeks back); because they are working less. Of course men are going to be making more, they spend more hours in the office, thus have more experience and thus can command a better salary.

Yes, women continue to do more around the house in terms of housework and child care. But I wonder what was included in housework? House repairs? Car maintenance? Yard work? Or was it just dusting, cleaning, dishes and laundry? I wish they would have broken down those categories further.

The modern man is doing more and being appreciated less.

[–]enveloops 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]King_Turnip -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]enveloops 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It really doesn't point to a growing disparity. This growth in disparity is half an hour a week - well within the margin of error. You simply can't make such a broad conclusion based on that.

Your comment about single mothers is actually really interesting and made me go back to the study. So they compared men and women in an "intact and stable household" as you put it. Let's compare those numbers, since we're lucky enough to have that data:

The following is the number of housework + childcare + paid work for each group:

Dual income men: 58.0

Dual income women: 58.6

Father sole breadwinner - men: 56.7

Father sole breadwinner - women: 45.8

Mother sole breadwinner - men: 32.6

Mother sole breadwinner - women: 58.1

Those are actually really interesting numbers. Since I've already used the idea of ~.5 difference being not statistically significant, I'm going to have some analytically integrity and say that the fact that those numbers show that women have .6 hours more total work during the week in a dual income household as not meaning anything. Looks like a wash when both partners work, everyone's contributing a lot - this is especially important because most families with two parents are dual-income.

When it's just the husband who works outside the home, it absolutely is the case that men are doing more "total work" than women. Men are expected, and certainly rise to, the challenge of contributing a lot around the house and with children even when they are working outside the home.

When women are the sole breadwinners, men drop off pretty significantly and women really do the lion's share of work during the week (I'll point out that it's more than when men are the sole breadwinners). That's interesting, I'm sure you could have quite a good conversation about what having a woman as the sole breadwinner does to a relationship and household's dynamic (I say this as a woman who was the sole breadwinner for 2 years in my relationship).

[–]Cuneus_Reverie[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you are right, I chose to include the hours for employed dads because the article alludes to the fact that it would be the more correct number due to a larger number of men being laid off. Not because they don't want to work, but because they are just currently unemployed. The difference is that they wanted to be employed. But yes, one could use that number, but the number of hours for women is not adjusted for those who want to be working vs. those who stay at home. It seems to indicate that it is more for those who chose to work. Thus the higher number for men would seem applicable.

The article should have given numbers for women who want to work but are unemployed vs stay at home moms. I'm guessing that the variation was minimal and thus omitted. But, as with other numbers, more details would have been nice.

[–]enveloops 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Cuneus_Reverie[S] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Cuneus_Reverie[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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