New to MR...semi rant

Broont · 2016-11-23T15:57:38+00:00

Is this familiar to anyone?

I'd be surprised if anyone who uses reddit, and doesn't identify as feminist, hasn't had a similar experience.

I was told by one woman that guys don't understand what it's like living as a woman

It's crazy how she can realise that, but not realise that the exact opposite is also true - that women don't understand what living as a man is like either.

I'm actually too afraid to ask people's opinions in the feminist subs tbh

That's sensible, if you want to discuss this kind of thing it's usually better to do it in a less anti-male environment. You wouldn't go to /r/greatapes expecting good discussion on race issues.

cymrich · 2016-11-23T18:21:22+00:00

that argument of men don't know what its like to live as a woman is ridiculous... it implies that men are blind to everything and incapable of observation while insinuating women know what its like to live as a man and its so much easier than living as a woman.

Shyrobot · 2016-11-23T17:20:11+00:00

There are, in my experience, lots of women who say they are Feminists but are otherwise OK. I suppose they think that people and women in particular should be Feminists. It's cool and represents what is just:fighting discrimination and oppression.

But they know very little about equality and even their Feminism is mostly based on soundbites from the media. They have lived privileged lives and have never had any strong reason to study in depth how equality really works or doesn't.

They believe Feminist "memes" or lies to be true, though, and can't really understand if somebody challenges them. But if you don't bring up equality they usually don't either. And even if they do and you just sort of ignore it, they will probably let it go.

Then there are the "real" Feminists and they are a different story altogether.

AloysiusC · 2016-11-23T23:52:03+00:00

Yes I've been there. I know how you feel (read further down on how to beat it).

What you've experienced is basically your own powerlessness in the face of a demographic that calls the shots on that topic. The fact that they just laughed at the mere thought that men might face discrimination tells you all you need to know really.

Trying to stand up to them is like having the peasantry stand up to royalty. You just don't have the social leverage they do. Hence they can say contradictory things and dismiss you and nobody else holds them accountable the way they would if you tried the same thing.

That's why they perceive websites like this as so "misogynist". Because in much of the internet, there's a far more level playing field. All we have is our ideas and how they're put into writing. The contradictions and sexism in feminism is much more blatant when it's written down. Hence all the efforts to suppress freedom of speech - they want to maintain the same amount of social power they have elsewhere.

Now to how you can beat it: Arm yourself with knowledge. Read up on history - in particular, learn about feminists. Know the names of early feminists and be able to quote them. Alone the fact that you can do that, will put most people on the defensive because it's not something people generally study. Look at GWW's videos and perhaps write down and read up on the most important facts. If you have even a small part of that knowledge at your disposal, you'll wipe the floor with anyone in such a situation in the future.

Remember, they are reliant on falsehoods. So your job is easy: just expose those falsehoods and uncover the contradictions. It's no coincidence that feminists often describe debating MRAs online as "exhausting". Maintaining a lie takes fare more effort than exposing one.

MRA-automatron-2kb · 2016-11-23T18:35:31+00:00

Take it as a wake up call that sent you on this forum where you can learn more about challenges men have in society.

Rasalom72 · 2016-11-23T19:21:50+00:00

Don't forget, that men and women are fundamentally different in the way we think. This isn't just about emotional thinking in women vs logical thinking in men.. it's about in group bias, and the way the brains work.

We have to realize that while the goal of equality is nice.. it probably just won't ever happen in reality. But it's still something we should strive for (at least legally).

perplexedm · 2016-11-24T08:37:10+00:00

How did you find about this sub?

eixan · 2016-11-24T15:54:06+00:00

you are not alone in your experience

Title	New to MR...semi rant
Author	Shyrobot
Upvotes	25
Comments	36
Date	November 23, 2016 3:48 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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