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One accusation

avoiceformen

July 2, 2011

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Title	One accusation
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	23
Comments	4
Date	July 2, 2011 2:31 AM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/iepp1/one_accusation/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/one-accusation.1037875 https://theredarchive.com/post/1037875

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[–]kanuk876[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

FTA:

This man’s reputation was dragged through the mud by the media. This man was arrested and purposely forced to walk in front of a line of reporters. The crimes he has been charged with were spread through all media outlets as fact before his first day in court has even arrived. This man was forced to resign from his job as the head of the International Monetary Fund. This man’s chances for being a solid contender for the French presidency have been severely dampened. All of this and more has befallen this man. Why?

One accusation.

One accusation from a woman has destroyed this man’s career. One accusation from a woman has made this man a criminal in the public eye. One accusation from a woman put an electronic tracking bracelet around this man’s ankle. One accusation from a woman placed this man under armed guard where he slept. One accusation from a woman has drained millions of dollars from this man's finances. One accusation from a woman has brought all of this turmoil down on this man and the worst part of it is the most sickening.

This accusation was never proven.

... and women claim they have no power...

destroying a man when a woman accuses him of violating her is a normal practice within all western cultures. Not just a normal practice, a championed practice. And if that woman happens to be lying it is considered our duty to ensure that no one knows who she is. Furthermore, we as a society are obligated to ensure no punishment befalls this woman, regardless of the damage she has done with her lies.

That is the world we live in and it fucking disgusts me.

[–]samarye 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It is disgusting, and unfair, and unethical, and unjust, that names of those accused of sexual assault are regularly published (and all the life-destroying consequences of publication allowed to occur) in the US.

But I want to address your interjection: "and women claim they have no power." You imply that all women have the power to ruin the life of any man plausibly connected to them. This is true on one level, but most women for moral, cultural, or other reasons would never intentionally falsely accuse anyone of rape. It doesn't even occur to most of them.

Though any man of sufficient physical strength could theoretically rape any woman around him, most men would never do that. MensRights fights against the idea that all men are potential-rapists and should be feared and treated as such. Why in that context should all women be feared and treated like potential false-accusers?

Edit: All men don't walk around empowered by the idea that they could rape women they meet; women don't go about their days wielding the false accusation power. The idea that either has the potential to cause harm has the most impact for the people who fear they may become victims.

[–]kanuk876[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You imply that all women have the power to ruin the life of any man plausibly connected to them. This is true on one level, but most women for moral, cultural, or other reasons would never intentionally falsely accuse anyone of rape. It doesn't even occur to most of them.

Though any man of sufficient physical strength could theoretically rape any woman around him, most men would never do that.

False comparison.

When a man beats a woman, society sides with the woman to put the man in jail.

When a woman falsely accuses a man, society sides with the woman to put the man in jail.

You see the difference?

Women have power. But acknowledging they have power undermines their power. Which is why people like yourself spend so much time denying women's power, saying "women never lie", or "not all women are like that".

You're right. Not all women are like that. This is not the point.

[–]samarye 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not a false comparison. It's not the same situation, but to talk about that we'd have to use... the same situation. Due to society's reaction, false accusations devastate victims in a unique way.

Any person of sufficient physical strength could theoretically murder other people if they were alone with them. People take precautions against being murdered, but normal people do not suspect they're about to be murdered every time they interact with someone else. Murder, like a false accusation, demolishes the victim's life, so maybe that comparison will seem better?

acknowledging they have power undermines their power

^On a public education, fact of life level, of course the fact and prevalence of false accusations needs to be broadly known and appreciated. Acknowledging it in that sense is great. Taking precautions against false accusations is healthful. Living every social interaction with women in absolute fear, deciding that this power means men should never trust any woman, that's different. That's the extreme some in the MR community take it to. That's degrading the quality of one's own life to an extent not justified by the actual risk involved in living. That's my point.

I don't say "women never lie." Please don't equate me with people who spread that obvious falsehood.