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TheWalkenDude

April 24, 2012

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Title	PFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTT
Author	TheWalkenDude
Upvotes	0
Comments	21
Date	April 24, 2012 8:03 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]rightsbot 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]altmehere 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The line is pretty thin there I think, what is government if not a giant men's club.

Just because the government is composed of men doesn't make it a men's club or mean that they'll work in anyone's interest except their own.

Myself I can count about zero that had to do with my gender. What is it that you have experienced that makes you believe that oppression of men is a thing?

Firstly, I think you know well that oppression is rarely something a person experiences and is consciously aware of as it happens. To dismiss the possibility of discrimination simply because there's not giant red flags every time it happens is fairly ignorant IMO.

I'm not necessarily going to realize that health care funding for women is much greater than that for men, that gender norms make it so that I'm less likely to seek help for symptoms that I'm experiencing, or that I'm more likely to die due to violence (source).

I'm not necessarily going to realize that if I were younger I'd be less likely to attend college, whether due to societal pressures or other reasons (source).

I'm less likely to seek and receive help in a case of domestic violence (source).

I could go on...

[–]TheWalkenDude[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Gender norms? I don't know about you, but when I am sick I go to the doctor, because I am not an idiot. The fact that men have shorter lifespans isn't some sort of men's rights issue, what are we supposed to do? Hold a Men of The World v. Nature case? Say fuck you nature I'm a man and I deserve to live longer?

Machismo bullshit is self imposed. Sure there are certain ways both men AND women are portrayed in the media that present an "idealized" version of the genders, but that has more to do with overall human greed and selfishness than some convoluted gender rights issue on either side.

As far as the college statistic? Once again, how is that the issue of the colleges and not the men who are not attending college? It's not like there is some sort of overall issue with families of males affording tuition, that makes no sense. Men being affirmative actioned in is a complete misuse of the law, basically implying that men come from less fortunate families...wat? Anyway I'm sure the men that do go to college are getting paid more than the women, so it evens out right? I'm sure you have some statistic to disprove that as well.

On the domestic violence, I could see that being an issue yes, but I go again to this thing of why is this some convoluted gender issue? It's an issue of human rights. No one should be beaten or mistreated regardless of their gender.

You must understand how terribly firstworldproblem and whiny it sounds to be a men's rights activist. The short shortsightedness of such a gender specific world view, especially regarding the gender that has historically almost always held the power in government AND in simple every day life, is off the charts.

[–]altmehere 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Gender norms? I don't know about you, but when I am sick I go to the doctor, because I am not an idiot.

Then good for you. Doesn't mean there isn't societal pressure or oppression.

The fact that men have shorter lifespans isn't some sort of men's rights issue

No, the fact that far less money is invested in men's health is. Who are you arguing against here?

Machismo bullshit is self imposed.

If men are self-imposing machismo bullshit, why? Is it because they want to, or because they're compelled to.

but that has more to do with overall human greed and selfishness than some convoluted gender rights issue on either side.

So we're supposed to sit by while feminists free themselves from gender roles and simply accept it?

As far as the college statistic? Once again, how is that the issue of the colleges and not the men who are not attending college? It's not like there is some sort of overall issue with families of males affording tuition, that makes no sense.

Same thing could have been said about women when there were less women attending college.

Anyway I'm sure the men that do go to college are getting paid more than the women, so it evens out right? I'm sure you have some statistic to disprove that as well.

I'm not going to do the research for you because it's well covered here. Women are largely paid less due to their choices, such as working in less dangerous jobs.

On the domestic violence, I could see that being an issue yes, but I go again to this thing of why is this some convoluted gender issue? It's an issue of human rights. No one should be beaten or mistreated regardless of their gender.

Again, what are you arguing against? Of course nobody should be beaten or mistreated regardless of the gender, but that's not the issue. The issue is that men are pressured to not report abuse, and are less likely to be taken seriously when it does happen.

You must understand how terribly firstworldproblem and whiny it sounds to be a men's rights activist. The short shortsightedness of such a gender specific world view,

Same could be said of feminism.

especially regarding the gender that has historically almost always held the power in government AND in simple every day life, is off the charts.

And historical oppression of women is not a justification for oppressing men today.

[–]TheWalkenDude[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]altmehere1 point 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You say historical like it stopped happening.

You said "historical," so I only considered "historical." Any current oppression is another issue.

I agree with/understand the abuse issue but I mean it still doesn't qualify for an entire men's rights movement

So these issues should be allowed to continue without any organized response? You've also cherry picked a single issue to accept and then say that that single issue isn't enough for a movement, which seems pretty disingenuous.

by who? Other men?

It varies. The issue you've picked is partially due to laws promoted by feminist organizations that define violence against women as inherently worse as violence against men (such as VAWA), while men are just as likely to be victims of domestic violence (source).

To add to the trouble, the vast majority of shelters for the victims of domestic abuse fund assistance only for women, throwing men under the bus regardless of their sexual orientation. Even an organization claiming to be for men against sexism supported said discrimination (source).

Those who actually enact the laws might be overwhelmingly male, but again, there's no reason for them to have the best interest of men in general in mind.

Then that really doesn't seem like gender specific oppression to me.

What isn't gender specific about these issues? Do women suffer from them in the exact same way men do? I don't think so.

[–]altmehere 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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