Serious question about expressing sexuality.

SRSLovesGawker · 2013-11-21T19:44:45+00:00

At a guess, I'd say it's because male sexuality has been vilified for the last however many decades as being the source of female objectification.

rightsbot · 2013-11-21T18:52:17+00:00

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Pornography_saves_li · 2013-11-21T23:42:14+00:00

Women typically have little respect for sexually low value men, and masturbation is to many women a last resort (ie, if you jerk off, it's cause you have to). Therefore, a man who has to settle with an Mpeg and a tissue obviously can't do better, therefore he is low value, therefore he is 'creepy'.

On the other hand, since the ease of obtaining sex for women was constrained through social convention in the past, to break that social convention is 'brave'. It's the sexual double standard from another perspective.

So, since women get laid easier than men (and the most desireable can easily get a guy for sexual release, often faced with multiple candidates), yet women's solipsism prevents them from understanding the male perspective and they simply assume men have it like them, they then conclude you are a total loser if you have to resort to porn.

Unless you're watching that porn with a woman, then it's OK. Because obviously, you don't have to, you're just sexy like that.

Solipsism explains most female behaviour, it's a concept I recommend you familiarize yourself with.

femdelusion · 2013-11-21T19:15:36+00:00

How come feminists want to have the right to express their sexuality however they want, but men are animals because they express their sexuality?

Here's an area in which NAFALT actually is a good response. The sex-neg vs sex-pos distinction is a live one amongst feminists. The answer to your question is simply that different feminists have different opinions, and there's no logical inconsistency because the would-be inconsistency is distributed across the group, rather than held by an individual.

Alzael · 2013-11-21T20:12:42+00:00

How come feminists want to have the right to express their sexuality however they want, but men are animals because they express their sexuality?

Because the feminist narrative presupposes male oppression. It's the underlying tenant of all feminist theory that women are oppressed. Thus male sexuality is automatically oppressive, and female sexuality is automatically about opposing the oppression and reclaiming their sexual rights from the oppressors. That's one of the great things about ideologies founded on irrational ideas. You can always justify it whichever way you want.

shivux · 2013-11-23T00:07:39+00:00

I'm pretty sure most sex-positive feminists (those are the cool ones) don't really see it that way, and have no problem at all with men "expressing their sexuality". Feminists' main problem with porn is, in my experience, the industry itself (it's almost exclusively male-oriented, performers are sometimes abused, women are portrayed in vulnerable and degrading ways more often than men, etc.), not the guys who watch it. They also think it's important to respect people, even when appreciating them as sex objects. So... you know, you can see a girl and think she's hot, you can even tell other people you know that you think she's hot. Those things are okay, but just because you think someone's hot, it doesn't give you the right to harass them, or automatically treat them like they only exist to be hot for you, and nothing else.

init2winito1o2 · 2013-11-21T21:28:00+00:00

I think it stems from the "men bad, women good" mentality that has become pervasive through the first world nations. That or it could just be that its a form of talion's law. essentially, the feminists who villify male sexuality believe that because their sexuality was oppressed for so long, that men have it coming.

That or, you know, they just wanna ruin something else because they are so filled with anger and hatred over perceived oppression that they can't stand to see the perceived oppressor having a good time

unexpecteditem · 2013-11-21T20:23:46+00:00

Feminism opposes traditional "patriarchal" notions of male only sexual agency and of sex as sin to affirm the female right to explore asexuality but uses them to support the shaming of men as an instrument of female power.

PowerWisdomCourage · 2013-11-21T18:56:50+00:00

It's a double standard. There's no reason. No one ever accused feminists of being logical or consistent.

Title	Serious question about expressing sexuality.
Author	BabaXIII
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Comments	39
Date	November 21, 2013 6:50 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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