~ archived since 2018 ~

Teach young men not to rape

spankinuhard

February 20, 2014

2 upvotes

/r/MensRights

http://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/heres-everything-you-need-to-do-to-prevent-getting-raped

Archived from /r/MensRights

r/MensRights is a community advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008.

TheRedArchive is an archive of Red Pill subreddits and blogs. This page is our copy of the original post.

/r/MensRights archive

Download the post

Want to save the post for offline use on your device? Choose one of the download options below:

PDF TXT EPUB

Support the archive

Everything here was supposed to disappear. Banned subreddits, deleted communities, cancelled blogs — much of what is archived here survives nowhere else.

It stays free — no paywall, no account — for the next man who comes looking, the way it was free for you.

I pay for the servers, the storage and the bandwidth myself. If you want this record still standing in ten years, become one of the people who keeps it online.

Support the archive

Post Information

Title	Teach young men not to rape
Author	spankinuhard
Upvotes	2
Comments	44
Date	February 20, 2014 10:39 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1yfjlz/teach_young_men_not_to_rape/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/teach-young-men-not-to-rape.1003567 https://theredarchive.com/post/1003567

Comments

[–]aginpro 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]aginpro 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]aginpro 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]graveybrains 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Holy hell, really? "It's not my job to educate you?" I confront you with reasoned arguments about WHY this article is absurd, and the most you can do to defend it is saying 'either you agree or you're wrong, go and find out what it means until you agree with me.' Here's some friendly advice; when people confront flaws in feminist doctrine, if you actually have a passable reason why it's not a flaw, don't tell men to educate themselves. Half of the resources out there oppose your stance, and half of THOSE resources make a much, MUCH better argument than you do. Christ, 'educating myself' is why I'm on MR right now. Now, as a personal challenge, how about in your next post you actually discuss, or hell even mention, anything about what I've said and why it isn't right. Is that okay? Can you do that for me? 0_0

[–]TRPACC -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So… nothing. I invite you to make a claim, address my claims, make a point, defend your stance, do anything at all whatsoever to back up your opposition to any of the wall of text I've composed, and you have nothing to say. If I haven't confronted men with reasonable arguments, it should be SO SO EASY for you to point out WHY they aren't reasonable, and/or propose a more reasonable argument. I'm not pretending I don't understand the video, I think the video is patently absurd. Now, either I'm right and the video is absurd, or I'm wrong and there is a meaning to the video I don't understand. Dismissing me as unreasonable and absurd seems like a coward's way out from admitting defeat. Now, one more time; in your next post, you can either (A) address ANY of the points I've made and explain why they are unreasonable, or (B) actually TELL ME WHAT THE VIDEO IS ABOUT since it's so obvious to you. Anything other than that I'll have to consider as you admitting you don't have an argument.

[–]TRPACC0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're like a broken record. I keep saying, 'tell me what it's about' and you keep saying 'I don't need to tell you what it's about, but you're wrong.' Your last post was neither (A) nor (B), so the only reasonable conclusion I can pull from this is that you cannot defend your stance with any logical argument. You are an internet activist. You are supposed to know what discussions are about. If you have decided not to know what discussions are about, and claim its about me being wrong for not knowing what you know (which, for some reason, you STILL won't tell me), and claim I'm absurd for requesting an explanation, that's your thing. (One more time, for the win; if you respond, either A. address ANY of the points I've made and why they're wrong, or B. TELL ME WHAT THE VIDEO IS ABOUT that's NOT absurd) ß{

[–]TRPACC0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh for sweet fucking- once again, neither A nor B. I've looked at every comment in this thread, and the only one you've made that isn't a variant of "it's not my job to educate you" is; <The point of the article is stop giving out ridiculous advice and focus on the people that rape (ask long as they are men, women get a free pass). To put it into housebreaking terms - stop teaching people to block up their chimneys, booby trap their house and never leave it and other ridiculous things and focus on the thieves instead.> How is this not asserting that it's unreasonable to take preventative measures? I, for example, don't want to be raped. If I had a way to reduce the likelihood of it happening, I would do it; I don't get drunk around strangers, I don't go to strange bars alone, I try to stay aware of my surroundings. Men who rape women are less than 1% of the male population, and that demographic doesn't give a shit about feminism or respecting women. If you think holding non-rapists accountable for rape is going to do jack shit to prevent rape, but anti-rape advice is something to sardonically dismiss, you, sir, are a strawman; expressing a flawed, absurd argument that cannot be defended beyond "it's not my job to educate you." No matter how clearly I point this out, no matter how succinctly I address how you refuse to substantiate your "don't tell women to stay safe, tell serial rapists to be nice" bunkum, no matter how easy I make it for you to CLEARLY EXPLAIN what the video is about (which you understand yet keep refusing to say), you will keep stopping your ears and going 'lalala I'm right it's not my job to educate you." People like you do more damage to the feminist movement than the MRM ever possibly could. [afterthought, if you felt like making my day; A, B, or both. If you have an argument, this should be so, so, so, so easy to do, that not doing it proves my point better than I possibly could. Please. Please, please please for the sake of feminism, just make an actual argument to shut me up]

[–]TRPACC -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Oh man, totally! People should be able to bike without fear of getting hit, and walk to the store without fear of getting raped. If there are drivers who intentionally try to run people over, those people should be found, targeted, have their licenses suspended and never allowed to drive again (castrate rapists then set them on fire). What I'd posit is that hitting a bike because you swerved intentionally into the bike lane isn't the same crime as hitting a bike because the cyclist tried to cross without the walk signal. I'm not an expert, but feminism seems to diminish the severity of sexual assault crimes by grouping actual rape with consensual sex that a woman later regrets (whether or not a man is a rapist hinges less on his willingness to rape than on what her definition of 'yes' was at the time). In a perfect world, there would be no rape, and/or rapists would be put to a horrible, painful death. Feminism doesn't seem to help much beyond crying 'rape' so often it stops meaning as much. I'm sure there are ways to improve the world, but I haven't seen it from either side of the issue.

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh001 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I hadn't watched the video. I have now, and I'm even less sure what the point is. They're just repeating advice on avoiding rape in a condescending tone. There's no denying bad things happen to good people- serial killers, school shootings, bombings, muggings- even if they haven't done anything wrong. Some of the highest sex assault rates are in countries where modest dress for women is legally enforced. I always understood the purpose of feminism is to empower women, to give them agency over their own existence. I'd think the empowering thing to do is to take steps to have your life go as you want it to (i.e. not get raped), even though, again, tragedy can strike anyone. Leaving your keys in the car doesn't make grand theft auto okay, waving around a stack of cash in a rough neighborhood doesn't make mugging okay, and getting black-out drunk in a crowd of stupid, horny, drunk, compassionless fratbros doesn't make rape okay… but it was within your power to make victimhood less likely. This video's attitude of 'how dare you tell me not to take open drinks from/get drunk with strangers' seems like a solid step backwards.

[–]TRPACC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]TRPACC1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I AM looking for critical debate, that's the glory of free discourse on the internet! It's a great way to further the dialogue of an issue, by letting people interact! Now, there's a line of reasoning that suggests all disagreement is the result of misunderstanding, or of unequal information. This video, with its 'rape is horrible but women shouldn't do anything to protect themselves' message is a perfect MRA strawman- if I had a goal of mocking feminist doctrine, I couldn't come up with something more poignant than this article. You (at least pretend to) understand the video's point, so could you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me what the point is? Seriously, the next time you post, could you include even a little information on 'this is why they made the video' or 'here is specifically a reason what [I] said is wrong,' or anything, ANYTHING more substantive than just 'I say you're wrong and you should accept that as truth and stop talking because I'm right and you're wrong.' I'm looking for information, an argument, reasons, a math equation, SOMETHING to show me I should change my mind. Can you do that for me? I'd appreciate it.

[–]TRPACC0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Synovexh0011 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link