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Why is this illegal?

AnnArchist

March 25, 2011

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http://www.omaha.com/article/20110325/NEWS97/703269889/0#no-contest-plea-in-teen-sex-case

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Title	Why is this illegal?
Author	AnnArchist
Upvotes	0
Comments	26
Date	March 25, 2011 11:36 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/gbmt6/why_is_this_illegal/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/why-is-this-illegal.1041747 https://theredarchive.com/post/1041747

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[–]aetheralloy 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link

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[–]merreborn 5 points6 points7 points 15 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

For fuck's sake, you can drive when you're that age. How young is 15 really?

Not in my state. You can get a permit at 15.5, but you have to have an adult with you in the car at all times, and you can't get a license til 16. And even then:

During the first 12 months after you are licensed, you cannot drive between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m. and you cannot transport passengers under 20 years of age, unless you are accompanied by a licensed parent or guardian, a licensed driver 25 years of age or older, or a licensed or certified driving instructor.

Clearly, my state does not believe that 16 or even 17 year olds are responsible enough to be trusted in cars in many situations.

You also can't join the military, vote, drink, smoke, or sign a contract at 15. In fact, you can only get a work permit at 15 in my state in exceptional circumstances

And I absolutely understand that you, personally may have been capable enough to handle these sorts of things at that age, but not everyone can.

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No one is advocating it. I am saying that it shouldn't be illegal. Decriminalizing it is good for men, for example a 30 year old man who gets duped into sleeping with a 17 year old. Should not be illegal. In many states, it is. Even if they have a fake id.

BTW, I've been posting here for longer than you've had an account. So Let Kloo do the moderation.

Advocacy of child porn cannot be tolerated. It is morally repugnant and socially indefensible. There is room for discussion about the over-reach of certain laws, and controversies, such as the intersection of cp laws and TSA screening of children, but none of us advocates or would want to be seen as advocating the abuse of children for any reason, including sexual gratification, either directly or through the trade of images involving children. Images of pedobear are not welcome here. Report them and they will be removed. If you should ever see cp images posted here, report it directly to law enforcement.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e0d9e/new_moderation_policies/

[–]aetheralloy1 point 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Remember to bold the other part too then.

Advocacy of child porn cannot be tolerated. It is morally repugnant and socially indefensible. There is room for discussion about the over-reach of certain laws, and controversies, such as the intersection of cp laws and TSA screening of children, but none of us advocates or would want to be seen as advocating the abuse of children for any reason, including sexual gratification, either directly or through the trade of images involving children. Images of pedobear are not welcome here. Report them and they will be removed. If you should ever see cp images posted here, report it directly to law enforcement.

If you've been posting here for a while, then you must know how you are giving ammunition to our opponents here. You must see the danger going down this route entails and the disastrous results that would come from trying to claim sex with minors should be decriminalized.

If you want to make MRA's look like we are advocating sex with minors, which is exactly what this thread is doing and what you are doing - then you've lost sight of the big picture.

[–]AnnArchist0 points 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No. I refuse to accept that. Normal human behavior should not be criminalized.

I don't give a flying fuck if I, as a commenter, give ammo to an opponent.

If no one will stand for the sexual deviants, then I will. Yes, that is a mens rights issue. Just like gay rights are mens rights. This is the modern day witch hunt carried out against socially weak men, keeping them oppressed through the creation of the sex offender registry, a life time sentence for something as simple as indecent exposure or urinating in public. No one stands for those people, who now, for LIFE can not live anywhere near a school because @ age 18 they were drunk and pissed in an alley and no one saw it.

You might sit back behind your keyboard and say "Oh, well sucks to be them." or "Fuck that guy"

I can't do that. I know those people are humans too and I'd prefer that they stay off the registry (which should be abolished) and are no longer treated cruelly and unusually by society.

Yes, all sex offenses are men's rights issues because well, men are the ones being punished for them.

[–]aetheralloy1 point 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We all have to do what we think is right.

As I've said a few times here - if you want to discuss the double-standards involved between how men & women are treated regarding minors, I think that's reasonable.

However I believe that adults having sex with minors is wrong on a very fundamental level. You have to do what you think is right, but so do I - and I won't stand by and let this subreddit be used as a platform for trying to decriminalize sex with minors.

We aren't discussing an edge case here. There is no 18 year old - this is a 15 year old girl. I am not going to give you a pass and let you try to extend this argument off into a "urination in public" either. This discussion is about attempts to decriminalize adults having sex with 15 year olds... and I will fight that tooth & nail.

Sure I may not be able to fully stop you, but I can do my damndest to hinder you and make sure others understand that you do not have widespread MRA agreement about it.

[–]AnnArchist1 point 15 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

18 is not some magical age where you become wise. Neither is 15. Neither is 16. Neither is 17. Its such a gray area and it comes down the individual. Thats why it shouldn't be illegal in all cases.

Just like drugs, drugs can be abused. But aren't abused by all. So I believe that drugs should be legal for all and the education should come from the schools, parents and friends. Not merely arbitrarily banning it and imprisoning people who violate some arbitrary law. The world is not made a safer place because someone decides to data someone 10 years younger than himself and is then put in prison.

I'm not sitting here advocating for sex with 5 year olds. I'm saying that these laws are far too ham handed right now and should be eliminated entirely and then replaced with something more clear and reasonable.

Right now, you could legally date a 16 year old in one state and then if you and your girlfriend go on a trip to another state, you could be arrested and put into prison for it.

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