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Why we, as males, exist.

ld2gj

May 18, 2015
15 upvotes
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https://www.yahoo.com/health/why-do-men-exist-science-finally-gives-us-an-119284162572.html
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Title Why we, as males, exist.
Author

ld2gj

Upvotes 15
Comments 18
Date May 18, 2015 10:08 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/36f3vq/why_we_as_males_exist/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/why-we-as-males-exist.979940
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[–]ld2gj[S] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup, this article pretty much states all we are good for is RNA donations.

[–]LAMFF 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather make an RNC donation.

[–]ptr1492 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well the article is just journalist click-bait but the science is just dealing with biological reproduction, nothing more.

[–]_pluto_ 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We've moved beyond misandry to eliminationist rhetoric consistent with campaigns prior to genocide. Despite popular belief, the misandry inherent to second-wave feminism a la "SCUM" (Society for Cutting up Men) did not originate in the 70's.

The original grand dragon of feminism, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, wrote: "We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." She was also a racist, stating, “The enfranchisement of women would insure immediate and durable white supremacy."

Feminism is a hate cult. Simple as that.

Don't worry men -- females do not have the capacity to eliminate you. Moreover, without males civilization would collapse in a matter of days. The last thing feminists want is for their workhorses to die. Moreover, most women love men just as we love women.

But the men in power are clearly on board with the feminist agenda, precisely because it disempowers men and therefore eliminates the primary threat to elite dominance.

Feminists are useful idiots, nothing more. They are not fighting "the man" but working for "his" ends. All of this nonsense will pass. Unfortunately we're gonna have to go through some serious humiliation before a true egalitarian society is born.

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

precisely because it disempowers men and therefore eliminates the primary threat to elite dominance

Yep. In every revolution it's young men who fight. By promoting and funding feminism the elites guarantee no revolution can take place, since feminists make young men reject socialism and "the Left".

Not that the elites were smart enough to figure that out before hand. They were just smart enough to figure it out once it started happening anyway.

[–]ptr1492 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhh, what's this article got to do with this???

[–]ju87 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is already well known in evolutionary science. Mammals undergo sexual selection, an expensive process, because it is better than not doing it. A better title though would be "Why sexes exist".

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's at worst bad clickbait though. The question and answer stick to hard science and aside from the picture used at the top I don't see how any of this is sexist.

[–]ptr1492 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, not exactly. The problem is that there is a two-fold fitness cost for females to produce sons, instead of only clonal daughters (lineage will grow at twice the rate). So why hasn't parthenogenesis (all-female asexuality that's seen in animals) supplanted sexual reproduction given the fitness advantage it has? So we can phrase it in a sense as "why do males continue to exist?" or "why are males necessary?" It's just a rhetorical question to highlight the mystery of sex, obviously sex is seriously important and males are VERY necessary, but explaining the reasons why are very difficult. There are many ideas, but no singular answer.

Keep in mind this only applies to animals that are dioecious (split into distinct male/female sexes), not single-celled prokaryotes, isogamous species or simultaneous hermaphrodites

edit: The two-fold cost also doesn't exist (or is drastically minimized) in species where there's a great deal of bi-parental care, but that's more rare.

[–]SweetiePieJonas 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

all-female asexual populations

Typical journalist scientific illiteracy. Asexual populations don't have sexes, by definition.

[–]ptr1492 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's true in single-celled asexuals (like bacteria), but not with animals (ex. parthenogenesis). There are asexual species of whiptails, for instance, which all produce eggs that develop without fertilization. Therefore, since they make eggs they are all "female".

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why is anyone upset about this? This is an article about general biology. It's a fair, if not sort of ignorant, question; why hasn't evolution landed on asexual reproduction?

[–]ptr1492 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

The science is good, sure -- the tone of the article is what people are complaining about.

EDIT: Apparently they have removed the most offensive parts of the article. There was a paragraph in the beginning that compared men to children and said they were "annoying."

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess, but there isn't anything but science in the article and facts are nothing to be mad about.

[–]ptr1492 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, they removed the offensive stuff.

[–]dangerousopinions 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Was it different when it was posted?

[–]ptr1492 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, see my edit above.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If men didn't exist, an all women society would probably be enslaved by baboon tribes and eat grubs to survive. The baboons would likely regularly offer them up as meat gifts to appease tiger and lion tribes against attacking them. Humankind would not have even said hello to the Stone Age.

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