difference between redpill and no respect?

gotmeonmyknees_layla · 2016-09-04T21:39:17+00:00

In many ways the red pill is about respect; respect for yourself through self improvement and respect for your partner. Men and women are different, and we respect that. There are red pill things I don't agree with, but the red pill is a tool. Some people can use it and have a beautiful relationship while other use it to smash everything to pieces.

You say in general you always loved gender roles, "the woman does this the man does that," but I think you might be romanticizing a little bit here since it doesn't sound like you had the best relationship models. I'm the daughter of a single mother too and it's easy to get caught up in the fantasy of overly perfect feminine house wifery because we (sorry to assume) never saw it as a reality. It can be both easy to surpass these ideals, or fail to live up to them depending on how realistic they are--no one, male or female, can have it all.

So, what exactly are we talking about here? Are the gender roles he expects you to perform (and the ones he performs in turn) clearly defined or does the goal post keep moving? Does he expect you to do all the house work, even if you work similar hours? Does he expect you to have a hot meal on the table even if he gets home from work first? (But seriously, crockpots are like magic for that.) What does he contribute? A bigger salary, and thus a bigger portion of the responsibility for bills? Yard work and general maintenance? Bug killing? It's easy to see only your own efforts and overlook the efforts of your partner.

What about his behavior do you not see as RP? Isn't it a little unfair to hold him to a standard he's never even heard of, even if he has natural RP tendencies?

JackGetsIt · 2016-09-05T13:28:46+00:00

Traditionally women were trained to see the difference between an abusive disrespectful man and a man who is attempting to lead the relationship and be dominate. In modern feminist run society that training and those lines have been almost completely erased. Patriarchy = bad; masculinity = threat.

So in a way unless you are coming from another more redpill culture western women are starting from scratch in this arena.

I would think a good rule of thumb would be a trending line in the right direction. Is he guiding you towards your clearly shared and articulated modest goals? Home? Vacations? Family? Fun? Or is he constantly over promising and under delivering? You also have to take into account setbacks because no leader is perfect. This is known as Trust & Loyalty. Another big clue is are you rewarded for your trust and loyalty or does he kick the can down the road to a more elaborate demand? Finally, does he 'demand' or does he 'ask'? There's a significant difference.

I've also met a lot of asshole dominate guys, with no intention of leading a relationship, abuse this lack of knowledge in women. I've seen the reverse as well: good men who attempt to lead and get tossed because she thought that his corrections and leadership were 'disrespectful' (or she listened to to many single feminist friends who convinced her he was disrespectful). I've seen women use that as a rationalization to cheat and branch swing. Often, the cheating only leads to extremes. Either a series of less long term oriented guys that end up using her or the polar opposite: weak push overs, afraid to lead, easily manipulated and whom she completely becomes unattracted too over time.

loneliness-inc · 2016-09-04T23:03:21+00:00

define

Can you define what it is over which you're torn?

You say you like defined gender roles. Cool. What part don't you like? You haven't defined that.

FriedHayek · 2016-09-05T07:10:44+00:00

how would you define the line between redpoll and respect?

If you would put your man in a stereotype, would you put him into 'the father' or 'the player'?

_wildflower · 2016-09-04T21:45:33+00:00

I wonder about this too sometimes.

What does your SO do specifically that you think shows a lack of respect?

The only time I can think of that my SO showed a complete lack of respect is when he told me to shut up. We were in a store and he needed to find a bathroom and I was telling him a story. He said, "shut up where is the bathroom" Now I wanted to lose it but I just pointed to where it was and he ran off. He knew I was mad because he text me while gone and apologized. While we were talking out of the store I didn't yell, but I told him he will not tell me to shut up. It's not cool and I don't like it. I changed the subject and it hasn't happened since.

Now I don't know if that's the RPW way to handle it but it's the best I could do.

Kiddingyoself · 2016-09-06T09:59:00+00:00

Hypothetically, if you wanted to get married, and have children, someday, and you were in a relationship with someone who doesn't, this would be an example of you not respecting you, right?

Or, if you wanted to be in an exclusive ltr, and you were dating someone who doesn't want to be...

Bamfmaiden · 2016-09-08T08:43:33+00:00

The red pill is all about respect. The reason that so many relationships between men and women are absolutely broken is that neither respects the other but nobody wants to with me that even to themselves.

Title	difference between redpill and no respect?
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Date	September 4, 2016 7:10 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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