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[–]Docbear642 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If you don't love yourself how could you expect anyone to want to share a life with you ? The biggest lie men have been sold is that in order to be worth a damn women need to validate us . yes it sounds fucking cliche but work on liking yourself first and then you can figure out how to bring others into your life , why would anyone want to become apart of your self loathing experience ?
I would rather bring out what is in my heart. And let whatever women come into my life come.
This is the right frame of thought but I get the feeling you don't know or love yourself so it's coming from the wrong place. as a Blue pill man I thought this way too and had anxiety , major self-esteem issues, and next to no attractive qualities.
So I know in my case at that time my behavior acted more as an excuse to not try and then to loathe women for not recognizing how " good , sweet, pure, and "honest"" I was at the time . I wasn't comfortable with myself so I tried to present a person I thought that everyone else would like a.k.a being a Nice Guy.
[–]wsba910am 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I hear ya. you're exactly right about everything in the first paragraph. it's amazing how much of an open book i am it seems.
you're right in a way. it's an excuse to avoid them. i've also been kinda dependent on them for validation all my life, as you say, so working on me and letting them be satellites instead of the sun is kinda my idea.
[–]Docbear640 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the goal and women are more receptive to men who have their shit and emotions in order . I'm not going to say all women will flock to oyu once you are a better man but once you are better they will have reasons to want to become apart of your life. you owe it to yourself to be better for your own sake.
[–]NeoreactionSafe3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
But it also shows me why I wouldn't want to sleep with someone who likes fakers. I have a choice, do I wanna become a faker player like those douches?
You have it backwards.
The Red Pill is the Real.
The Blue Pill is a Fake mythology forced upon you without your consent.
It's because the beta is lacking in authentic masculinity that women are not attracted to him.
"Kill the Beta" so you can become Real. (become "disillusioned" with the Blue Pill myths)
[–]wsba910am 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is exactly what I want to come to believe more of. This fake mythology. I don't agree with TRP on everything but who does. One mythology doesn't counter another. What I am upset about is how inauthentic I've been with my masculinity and sexuality. And that's my b.
Anyway, thanks for writing in
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ever heard of Buddhism and the concept of "disillusionment"?
That's the first step in any path to knowing reality.
One first Destroys the Illusion ("Kill the Beta") so that you are unrestrained in your path of improvement towards seeing the Truth.
At first you are blind... then you can "see"... "see" the Red Pill Truths.
[–]1Shadowsduh2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It appears to me you are slightly confused. You just told us what is in your heart or what is in you
All my life I've wanted to get inside a woman.
Have you told a woman that you've wanted to be inside her?
well those FAKERS have . So who is really the one being fake here ?
[–]wsba910am 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Although I didn't point blank say this: the gist of this post is that this desire to be inside a woman has led me to disempowerment. By placing it above the desire to be authentic.
Sorry if I failed to communicate that more clearly, but I trust my post will make more sense as a whole from this view.
[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's like girls looking at guys that just fuck young pretty girls with big tits instead of funny, sweet, caring girls.
It's a natural resentment to see attraction towards what seem like superficial traits.
We are to a large degree still monkeys responding to animalistic cues. Particularly for sexual attraction.
Improving yourself always feels fake. The first time I go ta gym after a period of low activity makes me feel like a faker. The first time someone asks a girl out, even if he is maybe mildly interested feels fake. But the only way you get good at something is with practice.
Try to worry less about it being fake or not and focus on small progress and start seeing going out of your comfort zone and not freaking out as progress. Its like emotional weightlifting. You get better at it. And people, not just girls, appreciate seeing emotional strength.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Really like this extrapolated "fake" motif. To take it even a step further than you already did - intimacy, in a way, is inherently "fake." That is, emotional intimacy is only useful insofar as it has a sex-oriented terminus.
If guys didn't want to fuck women, there'd be absolutely no incentive to hang around them and listen to them babble about whatever they did that day. Almost all interactions men have with women outside of sex itself are inherently "artificial," with sex in mind as an end goal, which acts as the sole persistent impetus to even interact with them in the first place.
In sum, it's all fake.
[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not for me. I have female friends, they're good to me.
So no, that isn't fake for me. I have some traditionally female interests and friends.
I just mean that trying new things often feel fake, whether they are or not.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yea you're definitely an outlier then
a thought struck me, what if some things that feel fake to me are actually good for me, and it's me who is the twisted one. iow, what if this emotional weightlifting is something that i ought to just do for health and authenticity reasons
[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes! I find that is the hardest thing when learning new things. Particularly when fixing something that has gone neglected in my life.
[–]Shaman66241 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those women are sleeping with those players BECAUSE they don't care about them. Who wants to fuck when you immediatly get all kinds of expectations of relationships and marriage and shit thrown at you by a beta who wants to secure a mate. Remember men are the actual romantics and women are the cold rationalists. If a woman says she wants a good guy she's just virtue signalling it doesn't mean anything.
Have you read the book attracting women through honesty from Mark Manson? Could be something for you if you feel like you are lying.
Also one of the top posts of the past year or month or something "The five triggers for sexual attraction" Describe triggers that don't require you to lie?
Look it's very simple. Men have lower standards then women. Women only want the best men. That's the 80/20 rule. You feel like you are lying because you are in the 80% of men (overgeneralization btw to make a point) who aren't attractive to women and you actually are lying cause you're pretending to be in the top 20%.
Women want commitment, men want sex. Let's make a comparison. What you are doing is like a 2 walking up to you and demanding commitment. You are below the 20% so you're not Chad material and you walk up to a women and you want sex. That's why you feel like you're lying because you know you're not Chad and you know you actually don't have the value to demand something like that from a women.
But maybe you can have it.
[–]zoddness1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At the risk of sounding like another sub I like this post. You're being honest and also realistic and you realize it comes from within. Now apply the meaningful teachings here: self improvement, continue to reflect, and go about your life. Once you internalize that women will come to you when you're worth something it becomes much easier. Then you get to do the selecting, as it should be.
surround themselves with bad men, complain about how they just need a good guy, and then continue to surround themselves with bad men
This is just a toxic attitude that stems from the fact that you are just slightly sour these men are getting action. In order to move past your troublesome past you need to embrace TRP and all the values that it surrounds and I'm not sure you will be able to from reading your last sentence.
[–]MisterRoid0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The players are often more honest than the so-called nice guys. What's more fake? To openly say that you want sex or pretend that you find the girl's personality interesting to get inside her pants?
Now, I don't consider myself a player and don't see any point in having sex with multiple women to increase my partner count, but being sexual and dominant helps me to create and maintain attraction.
Some examples:
I grab my lover's butt, call her sexy and talk dirty when we meet - both in public and with her friends present.
When she tried to make me use condoms temporarily because of an expiring IUD, I refused and said that I would rather not have sex then.
Following that she asked me whether I would go raw with other girls. I told her plainly that I will not have sex with other women so long as she keeps me satisfied.
She is a mother of two and has tried to talk me into spending time with her children. I have told her plainly that I do not want to spend time with children that are not mine.
[–]wsba910am 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You bring up a good point. "What's fake?" At least the kind of player you describe is honest. Nice guys have a double lie, in that they won't admit desire. What is fake, however, is that players seem to be fake people. Not that they have fake desires, but they don't seem to have hearts, they present a carefully constructed persona instead of a natural personality, and very often it seems interacting with them is just which mask I am talking to. Maybe I have the wrong stereotype of 'player' but this is the guy I think of when I envision one. They make lousy friends, are selfish, and always follow the pussy and will stab their friends in the back to get laid. They will lie lie lie in order to get laid. Even if they are honest about the desire, they are ruthless and deceptive to acquire the object they feel will satisfy it.
I do not think you are a player. You have strong boundaries, are honest about what you want, and aren't hypergamous etc. But these are just characteristics. I get the sense that you aren't trying to prove anything to her. This is kind of the core of what I'm discussing: that players are trying to prove something to somebody by the number or quality of women they bed. Sex addicts. Or something they do involving sex to escape some core problem in their chidlhood/life. In other words, if I just pursued women this would be me :-)
Thanks for writing in and showing what a good solid boundary is with women. There's a cougar interested in me right now, and I don't want anything to do with raising a child who isn't of me. Not that I hate that kid or anything, but why ..... you know. Anyway, thanks.
[–]SLMC1 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What a sad post in so many ways.
Do you want to be able to have sex any day you want, either from plates you're spinning or a generous girlfriend? Answer to yourself this question honestly.
If so, do these things:
It's easy.
Sex will not bring you peace (LOL). Meditation and love/service will bring you those things. Sex is just something fun that the world has to offer, and I recommend enjoying it.
LOL back at ya. Thanks for the recommendations.
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